Well in that case you should have realised that the other charging apps act the same as teslas as far as ease of charging go.
Your payment details are in the app, just like tesla.
You enter the charger Id and start charging.
Just like Tesla app, which I have also used.
Its just a pity there are so many of the damn things.
mick
The real question is why do we need a phone and an app in order to charge a car in the first place?Similar, but not the same.
At other chargers I had to open my phone and then the app for that particular station, and then hope that it worked. Most took me several minutes at best to activate and start charging, some took longer and did my head in.
The Tesla charging does not require me to even take my phone out of my pocket.
have you ever charged at any station other than a Tesla?
mick
No, because I have never had one, NOT because I think they are inferior, just because I find android more in line with my thought processes and more intuitive.Not quite, it’s more about using a system or product that works. Remember phones before the iPhone?
No, because I have never had one, NOT because I think they are inferior, just because I find android more in line with my thought processes and more intuitive.
Governments please mandate: a prominent label on them "EV-metropolitan only" .. where the charging stations are.
If seen in Goulburn, Bunbury, Benalla or Stanthorpe .. book them as a traffic hazard.
Metropolitan owners, if you must have these polluting indulgences, please don't clog our highways with them.
Polluting you say, what happens to the battery after 10 years?
@Joe Blow, would love to know the stats for this thread. Do you have any analytics like page view time or word count?
I never would have guessed that people would spend so much time debating what someone else drives, haha. Have the markets really been that boring?
Keep up the good work all, 10k posts here wecome.
EV charging glitch addressed after Canberra driver billed $2000 for 20-minute top-up
Chargefox has implemented a software fix to hold unusual payments for investigation after an electric vehicle driver in Canberra was charged $2000 due to a system glitch.
Australian electric vehicle charging network Chargefox has confirmed a software fix has been rolled out to avoid erroneous charges after a system glitch led to a customer being invoiced $2000 last month.
An electric vehicle driver in Canberra shared an invoice on Facebook group 'Tesla Model 3 & Y Australia', revealing $2045.50 was debited from their account on 23 September 2024 after a 20-minute top-up at the RG Casey building – the head office of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) – near Parliament House.
This charge station is limited to 22 kilowatts (kW) of charging power, which refers to the output speed of charge possible.
Despite this 22kW limit, the invoice shared claims 6.82 megawatt hours (MWh) of energy was consumed – equivalent to the amount of electricity required to charge approximately 114 Tesla Model Y Rear-Wheel Drives from zero to 100 per cent.
Based on a consistent 22kW rate, it would take around 310 hours – or 13 days – of non-stop charging to replenish 6.82 MWh of electricity.
A 20-minute charge on a 22kW unit should only add around 7.3 kilowatt hours (kWh) to an electric vehicle battery, costing $2.19 assuming a maximum rate of 30 cents per kWh on an alternating current (AC) public charger.
Chargefox CEO John Sullivan told Drive it worked to immediately reimburse the customer with a manual bank transfer once it was made aware of the fault on 23 September 2024, rather than initiating a credit card refund which could take five to 10 business days to be cleared.
The owner of the affected charger at the DFAT head office in Canberra disconnected it from the Chargefox network, the company says, with an investigation undertaken by Chargefox technicians to determine how the issue occurred.
Chargefox says a software fix was rolled out to address the specific issue at the affected charger in Canberra and it is now back online.
Meanwhile, all Chargefox stations across Australia have been updated to automatically hold certain payments for further investigation by the company if they are flagged as being 'outside the normal bounds'.
Drive has contacted the affected electric vehicle driver for comment.
The Chargefox platform supports almost 2000 public charging stations in Australia across 700 locations, and the company says it has never encountered a similar issue at other stations or with other customers.
Chargefox is operated by Australian Motoring Services, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Australia's automobile clubs: NRMA, RACV, RACQ, RAA, RAC, and RACT.
Thats not a an EV charger, THIS is an EV charger!
geez, 6MW!
fromElectek.co
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mick
Very high. LolFair size plug and cable, wonder what the voltage is?
100,000 Kia cars recalled over fire warning
More than 100,000 Kia cars are being urgently recalled in Australia after the discovery of a fault that may cause the vehicles to catch fire when switched off, with owners warned to park away from “flammable structures”.
A Kia Soul on fire in Florida on Wednesday. The model is among those now recalled in Australia. Photo: EPA
The recalls, issued by the federal transport department on Thursday, cover more than 104,000 vehicles released in Australia between 2009 and 2018, including popular Sportage and Rio models.
The brand’s compact Kia Rio vehicle has been hardest hit, with more than 40,000 models affected in Australia.
The Transport Department said a defect had been identified in the vehicles’ hydraulic electronic control unit that could short circuit if exposed to water.
The component, used by the vehicle’ anti-locking braking, stability control and traction control systems, could spark a fire in the engine.
“If an electrical short circuit occurs, this could result in an engine compartment fire when the key is switched off and the vehicle is parked,” the recall said.
“Until it has been repaired, Kia recommends that the vehicle should not be parked near any flammable structures or in an enclosed area.”
Kia vehicles affected by the recalls include some models of the Soul, Sorento, Cerato, Sportage, Optima, Rio, Carens and Rondo.
Owners are urged to check their vehicle’s recall status on the brand’s website.
Kia Australia corporate communications manager Alyson MacDonald said the company would write to vehicle owners to notify them of the recall and repairs should take half an hour.
“There have been no instances of the fault occurring in Kia vehicles in Australia that we are aware of,” she said.
The safety warnings follow similar recalls for other Kia models in 2023, 2021 and 2017, when a fault was detected in the same part used in some Sportage vehicles.
Kia also recalled 3.3 million vehicles with the faulty hydraulic electronic control unit in the US in September 2023 after reports of one engine fire, three unit fires, and six incidents in which components melted, according to National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration.
Sounds very similar to a recall I got on my Hyundai ix35 diesel.Another bunch of EVs catching fire... Oh hang on, that's not right...
The Transport Department said a defect had been identified in the vehicles’ hydraulic electronic control unit that could short circuit if exposed to water.The component, used by the vehicle’ anti-locking braking, stability control and traction control systems, could spark a fire in the engine.
I thought the moat important point made in this update is that Musk has advised that Tesla will bo longer develop their new lower cost EV.Robo Taxi, Robo van, and robo humanoid
I am not sure, there is already other autonomous vehicle ride share share companies in the USA, so I think it will probably be rolled out in the USA.I thought the moat important point made in this update is that Musk has advised that Tesla will bo longer develop their new lower cost EV.
So it's an autonomous future or bust
Also, it occurring within the USA in that vague timeline provided is likely nonsense to keep shareholders happy.
The USA is the most litigious nation on earth. It will end up being rolled out first in other nations....if he gets it working, I spoke to a software designer friend and he is not convinced due to the Ai technology.
BYD Shark 6 2025 Review
The future has arrived in the form of the BYD Shark 6 plug-in hybrid dual-cab ute
Model Tested
BYD Shark 6 Premium
Review Type
Local Launch
Review Location
Marysville, Victoria
The BYD Shark 6 is a dual cab 4x4 ute that boots out the traditional diesel drivetrain, low range gearing and diff locks for a plug-in hybrid petrol-electric powertrain that strives to behave like an electric vehicle as much as possible. After years of testing rattly diesel utes, driving the Shark 6 is to experience something that presents bluffly familiar yet feels intrinsically different. And better. Add to that the promise of $60,000 pricing and a luxury equipment list and the Shark 6 is shaping up as a genuine gamechanger. However, the cars evaluated for this first Australian drive were pre-production prototypes, we experienced them almost entirely off-road for a limited time and they came with superseded suspension and software tuning. As good as the Shark 6 is promising to be, many questions remain.
How much does the BYD Shark 6 cost?
Pricing for the 2025 BYD Shark 6 plug-in hybrid 4x4 ute won’t be announced until October 29 when it officially goes on-sale, but around $60,000 plus on-road costs is being strongly touted.
Until at least April 2025 that price will make it eligible for the FBT exemption, which can reduce the overall cost.
Combined with a long equipment list we’ll deal with shortly, that means the Shark 6 stacks up very well on the price/equipment equation with key rivals. Essentially, it comes in at Ford Ranger XLT pricing with Ranger Platinum gear (a vehicle with a starting price around $20,000 higher).
What we have to wait and see is where the pack of following PHEV utes lob on price and equipment, starting with the GWM Cannon Alpha Hi4T and the Ford Ranger PHEV.
At this stage BYD is offering only a single highly-specified model called the Shark 6 Premium, with first deliveries slated for December 2024 or January 2025. A lower-priced and equipped model may come later, but that is not officially confirmed.
At the heart of the Shark 6 is a plug-in hybrid powertrain BYD dubs DM-O (dual-mode off-road), which comprises a 1.5-litre turbo-petrol engine, an electric motor on each axle and a 29.5kWh LFP battery pack mounted into the traditional ladder frame chassis.
The combined outputs are up to 321kW and 650Nm (in sport mode only) and except for eco mode when the rear motor shuts down, this vehicle is variable all-wheel drive all the time.
There are no low range gears, no differential locks and not even a live rear axle. Instead it rides on independent double wishbone suspension. BYD reckons the instant electric torque and traction control ensures the Shark 6 can tackle most off-road obstacles. But it also admits the Shark 6 has been tuned to drive nicely on-road, rather than be a rock star.
Just standing looking at the Shark 6, the exterior doesn’t hint at the powertrain revolution living within. This is a big and bluff modern dual cab measuring up at 5457mm long, 1971mm wide and 1921mm high with a wheelbase of 3260mm.
By comparison, Australia’s most popular ute, the Ford Ranger is – in XLT dual cab form – 5225mm long, 1910mm wide, 1886mm tall and has a 3270mm wheelbase.
The front-end of the Shark 6 is literally meant to resemble the open mouth of a Shark, while there’s also a shark fin antenna.
Other stuff is typical ute.
The BYD logo stamped into the tailgate, the 18-inch alloys, side steps, roof rails and LED headlights. The tub has a spray-in liner, hooks, lights, soft open-and-close tailgate and three power plugs.
These, along with another three-pin plug in the cabin, signify the Shark 6’s vehicle to load (V2L) capability. Up to 6.6kW or 6000 Watts is available courtesy of the high-voltage battery pack to help out, for example, on construction sites or when camping. Essentially, V2L is an inbuilt generator.
The Shark 6 Premium’s interior can be accessed by NFC (Near Field Communication) card, phone, BYD app, remote key, mechanical key and doorhandle switch.
Once inside, a giant rotating infotainment touchscreen is the dominant interior feature. There’s also a configurable digital instrument cluster and head up display, real leather steering wheel trim, synthetic leather seat trim, front-seat power adjustment plus heating and ventilation for the front seats.
A 12-speaker Dynaudio sound system, satellite navigation, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, wireless phone charging, dual-zone air-conditioning with rear vents and AM/FM and digital radio bands.
This vehicle will also come with a bunch of apps including Spotify and Amazon Music, over the air (OTA) update capability and a smartphone app that offers remote control for features like lock/unlock, A-C on-off and so on.
In safety terms the Shark 6 is yet to collect an ANCAP rating but the expectation within BYD is five stars.
Standard gear includes auto-braking and adaptive cruise, lane keeping and following, driver and surrounds-monitoring assistance. There are also seven airbags including front-centre, an array of camera views and front and rear parking sensors.
There are few options, four exterior colours and just one black interior trim.
Local Australian experts Ironman 4x4 have been working to develop a host of accessories for the Shark 6 including ADR-compatible alloy bullbars. Later there will be a suspension lift kit.
There is no Shark 6 warranty or servicing information as yet. But we expect a six-year/150,000km warranty for the vehicle, an eight-year/200,000km warranty for the battery, long service intervals and capped price servicing.
What’s good about the BYD Shark 6?
Whether the BYD Shark 6 proves to be a sales success or flop, the validity of its powertrain concept is undeniable.
The immediacy and smoothness of the torque delivery renders every diesel ute uncultured and laboured by comparison. This powertrain’s ease of access and use makes the Shark 6 the choice for city and urban driving, whether it be as the weekday work vehicle or the weekend family runabout.
The key to all this? The petrol engine is subsumed to the electric motors as much as possible. To all intents and purposes it mostly drives like an EV. When the engine does kick in to recharge the battery or drive the wheels (above 70km/h and then only sometimes) it does so in a quiet and smooth way.
But this is a multifaceted and somewhat twofaced powertrain, in the best possible way. Yep, you can dawdle around all day in the traffic emitting zero emissions. But when the time comes and you sink the slipper, this thing flies.
Its 5.7 seconds 0-100km/h time is faster than the twin-turbo Ford Ranger Raptor! It’s quite the experience on dirt because traction is immense and response immediate – it just takes off and flies … quietly.
And all achieved with little or no fuel use if you keep the battery charged up.
There is a fair degree of driver control here, too. The powertrain mode (EV, HEV) can be selected or left to do its own thing, there are three on-road drive modes, four off-road drive modes, two steering and two brake modes.
Aiding the Shark 6’s urban driving appeal is an electric-assist steering system that is light and direct in the less sporting of the two selectable modes. It may not be what you want when picking through some rocky trail, but on the street it will work well, helping negate all that length and the broad 13.5m turning circle.
Having said all that, the vast bulk of our driving in these pre-production vehicles was off-road.
Still, the forest roads were despatched quietly and relatively comfortably – BYD says its conducted more than 1.5 million km of testing on 150 Aussie road types with the Shark 6 and it does feel well-sorted.
The main issue was underestimating the speed because the Shark 6 is so quiet and then having to jump on the brakes (discs all-round – nice) it’s hard to avoid launching off a water bar.
We do have some issues we’ll note further along. However, the production tune has moved on from the cars we tested, so more assessment needed.
We did try some moderate cross-axle off-roading to try out the traction control-based 4x4 system and test wheel articulation. Both were able to deal with the challenges. There are four off-road modes that retune traction control to suit different conditions.
Essentially the electric motors are instantly modulated when spin is detected and the disc brakes clamp on afterwards.
Sand mode seemed to work best, sensing wheels were off the ground, clamping them and redirecting drive. Rear articulation was limited but did not stop progress.
Ground clearance is a relatively modest 200mm (Ranger XLT is 234mm), but the only thing we touched down was the towbar.
Again, it’s worth noting these cars actually came with outdated software for the off-road modes, that was due to be replaced after our drive. There was no gravel mode, but apparently that might be included for production.
Hill descent control is also enabled by the front electric motor reversing polarity, so no squealing brakes. It worked well, but only at 8km/h. A software OTA will soon allow speeds to be varied by the driver.
Through all this driving, passengers are being well looked after in the Shark 6.
The high level of equipment has already been mentioned and even taking things like its rotating screen and two-spoke steering wheel into account, this is a pretty orthodox interior. No guitar stings in the door pockets like the BYD Atto 3 for instance.
The front seats are supportive, the rear seat backrests are more reclined than usual for a ute and there is generous space in the rear as well. Both passenger compartments offer plenty of storage opportunities too.
What’s not so good about the BYD Shark 6?
Led by its awesome powertrain, the BYD Shark 6 behaved well during our limited exposure to it. But plenty of questions remained.
Obviously, fuel consumption is going to be one of the key areas where it should gain friends … or not.
The official claim is about 80km zero emissions running when in EV mode, 2.0L/100km when in hybrid mode and the battery state of charge is over 25 per cent. Below that and the claim is 7.9L/100km.
We were able to fossick around in the drive computers of a couple of the Shark 6s on test and the figures were interesting. Over the previous 50km (so the duration of our drive basically, which included some heavy throttle use) one had averaged 15.6kWh/100km and 15.6L/100km.
The other one was on 14.8kWh/100km and 14.8L/100km and for the record, the Shark 6 uses 95 RON fuel and has a 60-litre tank.
Longer term consumption over 9390km for one of the Shark 6s was listed at 11.3L/100km and 2.6kWh/100km.
Over 2667km another one was on 7.0L/100km and 9.3kWh/100km. We wonder which is more indicative of real world use?
The short time spent on-road in the Shark 6, the passive suspension ride-at-speed felt harsh when potholes were encountered mid-corner. Frame shimmy and rear wheel liveliness were familiar ute fare.
The steering at very low speed progressed in steps rather than smoothly. A talented tuner with a laptop will figure that out pretty quickly. And for me, the sport steering mode simply added too much effort.
It was also noticeable the Shark 6 is pretty chatty, advising you to put on your seatbelt, pay attention etcetera. It comes with the usual plethora of bings, bongs and self-steering aids. How intrusive they are and how easy they are to switch off remains to be seen.
The digital information contained in the dash and touchscreen is complex. Again, how quickly it can be learned and how easily it can be accessed is something we are going to come back to.
Then we come to the towing and payload numbers. The Shark 6 claims a maximum payload of 790kg, which is light-on for a ‘one-tonne’ ute and a 2500kg maximum braked towing capacity, which is 1000kg off the best in class.
Combine the hefty 2710kg kerb weight, 5750kg Gross combined Mass and 250kg downball and the Shark 6 comes out with a still acceptable 540kg payload at maximum towing capacity.
Should I buy a BYD Shark 6?
The BYD Shark 6 is a gamechanger. It is our electrified future applied right now to one of our most important new vehicle sales segments.
But as tremendously impressive as the powertrain of the BYD Shark 6 is and as keen as its pricing is going to be, there’s still some caution to be exercised here.
There’s a lot of new-tech – at least to Aussies – that’s on offer in a segment of the market where simplicity and relatively basic mechanicals have been the prerequisite.
Clearly BYD has put a lot of effort into the ute’s local testing in Australia and its PHEV tech development now stretches back a decade, so there’s some reasons to be confident.
But it’s so new and different for us and our environment it may be worthwhile to just hang back and see how the BYD Shark 6 behaves on local roads and conditions before diving in.
2024 BYD Shark 6 Premium at a glance:
Price: $60,000 (plus on-road costs)
Available: On-sale October 29, deliveries start December/January
Powertrain: 1.5-litre four-cylinder turbo-petrol
Output: 135kW/260Nm (front electric motor: 170kW/310Nm; rear electric motor: 150kW/340Nm)
Combined output: 321kW/650Nm
Transmission: Single speed reduction gear
Battery: 29.58kWh lithium-ion LFP
Range: 80km (estimated)
Energy consumption: 15kWh/100km (estimated)
Fuel: 2.0L/100km (battery SOC above 25%); 7.9L/100km (battery SOC below 25%) (estimate)
CO2: 46g/km (estimate)
Safety rating: Unrated
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