Electric cars?

[basilio]

The organisation that made the award acts as a start up accelerator to help business develop products that will create a low carbon economy and address Climate Change issues.

About us | EnergyLab

The people and purpose behind EnergyLab

energylab.org.au

The inventors and businesses that came together for the Supercharge forums is impressive.

 

[basilio]

Unfortunately , its still vaporware.
Their website is still under construction, so there is no information about the products, no weight, no specs, no costs, no dimensions, no interface details, what existing ICE parts are replaced just for starters.
Having been stupid enough to embark on a conversion, I can tell you its a hideously complex mess, and if I had known what I was getting myself in for, would not have undertaken it.
Mick

That comment was also made by another person who responded on The Driven website. That may be the case but in fact the CEO of the organization responded in the comments section.

How far advanced are they ? One would sincerely hope the Energy Lab people were careful enough to gauge the progress of this company

Kyle Van Berendonck

17 hours ago



Reply to EV Person

Hi, CEO of Veepower here, thanks for joining the discussion.
Veepower is a shoot-off from Cuedo Controls, the Australasian distributor and integrator for Dana and Wind River, which are both huge names in the mobility industry, especially commercial vehicles.

Although you may not have heard of us, that’s because as a B2B (business to business) company we work behind the scenes. Veepower will be no different because to achieve the required scale we will be supplying B2B to engineering companies and manufacturers who, in turn, will perform the final model-specific integration and homogenisation, who will most likely white-label the Veepilot and sell to end-customers under a different name.

In the pilot program we are working with manufacturers in these key industries (listed in order of volume – highest to lowest): Buses, light rigid trucks, heavy rigid trucks, long haul trucks, light commercial vehicles (mining), specialty off-road vehicles, and classic conversions.
Once the Veepilot has scaled-up in the commercial vehicles segment, economies of scale will likely make it possible for consumer vehicles to be retrofitted for as you say, around $20K. We expect the first viable consumer vehicles will be dual-cab utes, 4WDs and SUVs. In this segment, new EVs can cost upwards of AU$180K.

 

[basilio]

This article highlights the 12 start ups that were part of the Super charge program. There are links to their websites in the article.
They don't all have to be successful. I have taken in interest in REVR.

Mass retrofit: 12 start-ups selected to help switch existing car fleet to fully electric​

• September 24, 2024
• 8 comments
• 3 minute read
• Joshua S. Hill

Clayton Franklin and the team at EPCA and their electrified Cat 777 100-tonne haul truck in WA


The second annual Supercharge Australia Innovation Challenge has chosen 12 local start-ups that boast potential solutions that could accelerate the transition of Australia’s car fleet to fully electric vehicles (EVs) through a mass retrofit of the existing fleet.

The aim of the program is to deploy up to 1.3TWh of batteries that would convert half the Australian vehicle fleet to EVs, equivalent to over 10 million vehicles. These include councils and corporate fleets, marine vessels, mining haul trucks, and buses for public transport and private fleets.

The challenge is run as a partnership between EnergyLab and New Energy Nexus and is designed to support start-ups in developing solutions capable of deploying the batteries needed to electrify half the country’s vehicle fleet – a number that would require up to approximately 600GWh of heavy truck and bus batteries, 25GWh for mining applications, 400GWh for light trucks and commercial vehicles, and 260GWh for passenger vehicles.

Mass retrofit: 12 start-ups selected to help switch existing car fleet to fully electric

Second annual Supercharge Australia Innovation Challenge selects 12 local start-ups with focus on retrofitting existing cars as electric vehicles.

thedriven.io

 

[basilio]

Unfortunately , its still vaporware.
Their website is still under construction, so there is no information about the products, no weight, no specs, no costs, no dimensions, no interface details, what existing ICE parts are replaced just for starters.
Having been stupid enough to embark on a conversion, I can tell you its a hideously complex mess, and if I had known what I was getting myself in for, would not have undertaken it.
Mick

And a VW beetle is supposed to be one of more simple EV conversion projects.... theoretically.

I suspect the ones who have done it 5, 10 15 times have sorted out the issues you have wrestled with and come up with solutions. Doing it one off even with a strong engineering/ mechanical background would not necessarily give you that knowledge.

 

[JohnDe]

And a VW beetle is supposed to be one of more simple EV conversion projects.... theoretically.

I suspect the ones who have done it 5, 10 15 times have sorted out the issues you have wrestled with and come up with solutions. Doing it one off even with a strong engineering/ mechanical background would not necessarily give you that knowledge.

I have a relative in the US that has had a conversion done, went from driving the car only on club cruises to driving it almost every weekend.
The old original set-up was fun to drive for about 10 minutes and then became a chore. Now, with the EV system, it is fun all day.

Local company doing conversions -

Unique EVs - Classic & Vintage Car Electric Conversions - Perth, WA

The UNIQUE EVS mission to lead the electric vehicle conversion market by future-proofing classic cars, producing unique electric sports cars, and transitioning niche markets to E-Mobility is a critical contribution to transitioning industry from a fossil fuel reliance to the technology of...

uniqueevs.com.au

 

[sptrawler]

if I had known what I was getting myself in for, would not have undertaken it.
Mick

Sounds like my project, which I bought 13 years ago, because I thought I would get bored in retirement.

 

[mullokintyre]

Sounds like my project, which I bought 13 years ago, because I thought I would get bored in retirement.

So have you actually started retirement yet?
mick

 

[qldfrog]

So have you actually started retirement yet?
mick

I know i feel busier in retirement than ever as i tackle even more projects..doing jn a year what i did in 10 while consulting.but still keen on buying the skeleton of a farm buggy and transform it into an EV

 

[sptrawler]

So have you actually started retirement yet?
mick

Yes I retired in 2011, bought a 1955 BMW R25/3 to restore, I have stripped it now, I just have to rebuild, renew and fix it. The last person butchered it, so it will take a concerted effort and my wife to reduce her passion for travel.
Don't want to go off topic, I know how it annoys you.

 

[sptrawler]

Interesting Hertz is getting out of EV rentals.

Hertz loses $2 billion, largely because of electric cars

Hertz has posted its fourth loss in a row as it slashes its fleet of Tesla and Polestar electric cars.

www.drive.com.au

 

[qldfrog]

Interesting Hertz is getting out of EV rentals.

Hertz loses $2 billion, largely because of electric cars

Hertz has posted its fourth loss in a row as it slashes its fleet of Tesla and Polestar electric cars.

www.drive.com.au

About same, https://www.news.com.au/technology/...s/news-story/9f3a3b986c0bdb8767927e78ab4d4ce7

 

[orr]

Plenty of cross reference to EV 's ;
Some people here may know of J B Straubel? The following is a post US election sit down with one of humanities and Industries better heads.
If It doesn't load, search on Youtube at the Redwood Materials

 

[JohnDe]

Plenty of cross reference to EV 's ;
Some people here may know of J B Straubel? The following is a post US election sit down with one of humanities and Industries better heads.
If It doesn't load, search on Youtube at the Redwood Materials

I found these -

 

[orr]

I found these -

I subscribe to Redwood... The link I posted has only been up for 5hrs. It maybe the case that 'BenchMark Week Fireside 2024, Redwood Materials' Youtube is being held back for wider viewing .

 

[qldfrog]

For Mr @sptrawler :
In french but you can google the company

La spectaculaire sortie de route de Northvolt, le pionnier européen des batteries pour voiture électrique

DÉCRYPTAGE - L’entreprise suédoise, qui serait à la recherche de 300 millions d’euros, a demandé son placement sous la protection de la loi américaine sur les faillites. Une situation qui illustre les difficultés des acteurs européens.

www.lefigaro.fr

Northvolt 9 billions € raised, born 2016, cheapest power (hydro) in Sweden
To become the EU battery star manufacturer.
Bankrupt 8 years later..
Thanks God our taxes did not go to build a copycat here, with most expensive power, total absence of skills and brains and no local car manufacturers market .

 

[sptrawler]

For Mr @sptrawler :
In french but you can google the company

La spectaculaire sortie de route de Northvolt, le pionnier européen des batteries pour voiture électrique

DÉCRYPTAGE - L’entreprise suédoise, qui serait à la recherche de 300 millions d’euros, a demandé son placement sous la protection de la loi américaine sur les faillites. Une situation qui illustre les difficultés des acteurs européens.

www.lefigaro.fr

Northvolt 9 billions € raised, born 2016, cheapest power (hydro) in Sweden
To become the EU battery star manufacturer.
Bankrupt 8 years later..
Thanks God our taxes did not go to build a copycat here, with most expensive power, total absence of skills and brains and no local car manufacturers market .

Well I guess we just keep digging, until we run out. Lol
Meanwhile keel buying Chinese batteries made from our raw materials.

 

[qldfrog]

Well I guess we just keep digging, until we run out. Lol
Meanwhile keel buying Chinese batteries made from our raw materials.

Yes until we are too broke, but better than being broke earlier .
We can do agriculture, fishing, add value there..and of course intelligent mining, developing mining tech while we can have an edge.
Where do we have an edge? Space, and land water..and yes we have water, travel to Spain Sahara or Arizona New Mexico to see dry countries.
But yes we need infrastructure road rail airports and of course dams, pipes
If anyone is aware of any other areas we can have an edge, add it.

 

[sptrawler]

Yes until we are too broke, but better than being broke earlier .
We can do agriculture, fishing, add value there..and of course intelligent mining, developing mining tech while we can have an edge.
Where do we have an edge? Space, and land water..and yes we have water, travel to Spain Sahara or Arizona New Mexico to see dry countries.
But yes we need infrastructure road rail airports and of course dams, pipes
If anyone is aware of any other areas we can have an edge, add it.

I read up on your Northvolt mob, they were trying to start a battery manufacturing business from scratch, to compete with the established players.

I actually suggested incetiviesing an established manufacturer building a plant here, I didn't suggest we start from scratch and develop the technology, that would be stupid, as Nothvolt has proven.

I would think as we produce most of the ingredients for grid scale batteries and process them up to spec here, it would be that difficult to encourage a major manufactur to build a plant here if the incentives were there.

 

[qldfrog]

I read up on your Northvolt mob, they were trying to start a battery manufacturing business from scratch, to compete with the established players.

I actually suggested incetiviesing an established manufacturer building a plant here, I didn't suggest we start from scratch and develop the technology, that would be stupid, as Nothvolt has proven.

I would think as we produce most of the ingredients for grid scale batteries and process them up to spec here, it would be that difficult to encourage a major manufactur to build a plant here if the incentives were there.

But only the incentives would make it worthwhile, and you know it.
Having a proper economic backbone is actually easy, look at Argentina .but you need balls..both for politicians and voters.
And these balls do not have to be attached to a penis BTW , look at Thatcher.
Stop throwing or gifting others money away , stop taking money from people working for it, and the whole ingenuity of mankind will do wonders
Communism fails,always and always will, and socialism do the same, just more slowly which is not actually better as the damages on the social fabric are even worse by the collapse.
Sadly, it seems all Thatcher targets fled here and their heirs and descendants are populating the ALP , as for the LNP , where are the balls.
So no, we will not even be able to assemble these batteries economically, we won't have the contractors able to repair or provide settings etc.
We are at the level of african countries on these areas, just horrendously expensive.

 

[JohnDe]

Lifetime brakes, only for EVs.

The upcoming Euro 7 (EU7) emissions standard doesn’t just look at tailpipe emissions. It also takes tire and brake particulate emissions from vehicles into account, so keeping brake dust from going into the environment will become more of a talking point in Europe once EU7 comes into force in 2026.​

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Mercedes has now taken this one step further with its in-drive brakes. However, it hasn’t simply taken a traditional disk or drum brake setup and put it inside the drive unit. It completely reimagined braking, and in the version of the system they showed us in Stuttgart last week, the disk is water-cooled and it doesn’t spin, and the brake pad is circular and it spins with the motor.​

Mercedes Reinvents Brakes For EVs, Puts Them Inside The Drive Unit

The manufacturer says in-drive brakes could provide a lifetime braking solution for electric vehicles with multiple advantages.​

• Mercedes has developed a new in-drive braking system touted as having several significant advantages.
• It is "virtually maintenance-free," traps brake dust, is better for the environment and promises to eliminate brake fade.
• The system is currently being tested with no clear time frame for a production application.

The vast majority of cars have outboard brakes that are connected to their wheel hubs, and only a handful come with inboard brakes. Mercedes has taken things one step further and put the brakes inside the housing of an electric vehicle’s drive unit, and it’s touting multiple advantages, including never having to service the brakes for the lifetime of the car.

Electric vehicles can use their motors to slow down, not only saving their friction brakes from wear but also putting electricity into their battery pack. Various companies have proposed different types of brakes for EVs, from Continental’s ultra-think mountain bike-like disks to the drum brakes that Volkswagen equips all vehicles built on its MEB platform, like the ID.4 or Audi Q4 E-Tron.

VW argues that even in its EVs with over 300 horsepower, drum brakes are sufficient for the rear. Most of the braking is done by the front brakes anyway, so going back to this older style of brakes (which is cheaper than disk brakes) is one way VW has adapted its vehicles for electric propulsion.

Mercedes has now taken this one step further with its in-drive brakes. However, it hasn’t simply taken a traditional disk or drum brake setup and put it inside the drive unit. It completely reimagined braking, and in the version of the system they showed us in Stuttgart last week, the disk is water-cooled and it doesn’t spin, and the brake pad is circular and it spins with the motor.

There is no traditional caliper either and scrubbing speed is achieved by pushing the circular brake pad onto the stationary disk. Mercedes says this system shouldn’t require service for the lifetime of the vehicle and all the brake dust it generates is kept inside the system in a compartment that doesn’t need to be emptied.

The upcoming Euro 7 (EU7) emissions standard doesn’t just look at tailpipe emissions. It also takes tire and brake particulate emissions from vehicles into account, so keeping brake dust from going into the environment will become more of a talking point in Europe once EU7 comes into force in 2026.