Electric cars?

[sptrawler]

yep

we could be smashing out something like an electric Mini Minor , and sell enough to local government and city bound pensioners to at least trim the imports down a little , heck it might even make a profit ( because Government might reduce green/red tape to purchase the vehicles cheaper )

say two models a sedan and a panel van , 300 km range , surely we could do that at a profit ( maybe even sell a few to NZ )

Sounds like Russia when it was poor and had the Trabant.
Hang around we might get there yet. Lol

 

[divs4ever]

When you consider how dangerous fire is on boats vs land vehicle...

but on boats .. you can call them drownings and shark attacks

because i bet the burn to the waterline ( or lower )

suddenly you can make boats safer ( unless they are fitted with auto-pilot )

 

[divs4ever]

Sounds like Russia when it was poor and had the Trabant.
Hang around we might get there yet. Lol

well we have rampant Socialism ( or at least some of the bad bit ) , maybe we can find those good bits as well ( real education in sciences )

 

[Value Collector]

submarines ?

at least the fires would be contained sometimes

i wonder which types of batteries they wonder use ( in boats or submarines )

Well batteries have been used in submarines almost forever, diesel engines are noisy and require a lot of oxygen. So submarines use the diesel engines to charge the batteries, and when they need to be stealthy they switch to running on batteries.

Noise is so important in submarines that the sailers/ submariners wear soft slippers, because their foot steps might be detected by enemy listening devices.

 

[divs4ever]

Well batteries have been used in submarines almost forever, diesel engines are noisy and require a lot of oxygen. So submarines use the diesel engines to charge the batteries, and when they need to be stealthy they switch to running on batteries.

Noise is so important in submarines that the sailers/ submariners wear soft slippers, because their foot steps might be detected by enemy listening devices.

yes , but the current trend is to outlaw diesel , instead of converting them to vegetable oils

so mid ocean how are you going to recharge batteries , solar panels might be cumbersome , as might be wind generation , maybe two dozen slaves on stationary bicycles , since the same Green agenda hates general use of nuclear power

 

[Value Collector]

yes , but the current trend is to outlaw diesel , instead of converting them to vegetable oils

so mid ocean how are you going to recharge batteries , solar panels might be cumbersome , as might be wind generation , maybe two dozen slaves on stationary bicycles , since the same Green agenda hates general use of nuclear power

They will be Nuclear/Battery.

Even nuclear subs require batteries during silent mode, because spinning turbines generates noise, so when trying to be stealthy they will shut down the turbines and run on battery power.

 

[divs4ever]

They will be Nuclear/Battery.

Even nuclear subs require batteries during silent mode, because spinning turbines generates noise, so when trying to be stealthy they will shut down the turbines and run on battery power.

some nations have had nuclear power submarines for decades .. Bob Newhart even has a classic skit about one

not a lot of need for large battery pack if it is already nuclear powered

but heck it might make the Greens feel better , and cheer the Germans up ( since they are busy mothballing their nuclear power plants ready for Winter

The Cruise of the U.S.S. Codfish

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yewtu.be

 

[qldfrog]

1971 for France

Can France build nuclear-powered submarines?

Answer (1 of 6): A2A: Can France build nuclear-powered submarines? Of course not! All the so-called nuclear submarines that the French navy has claimed to operate ever since 1971 have been a hoax, just like the US moon landing. So, no, the French company Direction des Constructions Navales (DC...

www.quora.com

So more than 50y..

The Role of Submarine Batteries in Undersea Warfare Technology

Batteries have been and will remain an important part of undersea warfare technology.

www.batterytechonline.com

Batteries are used for ballast..lead ones heavy can be good..tell that to my wife
...and backup power..no you do not stop a nuclear reactor to enter combat mode
Not yet tomorrow we will see EV with a nuclear reactor but yes in icebreaker, massive ships, etc

 

[Value Collector]

some nations have had nuclear power submarines for decades .. Bob Newhart even has a classic skit about one

not a lot of need for large battery pack if it is already nuclear powered

but heck it might make the Greens feel better , and cheer the Germans up ( since they are busy mothballing their nuclear power plants ready for Winter

The Cruise of the U.S.S. Codfish

Provided to YouTube by Rhino/Warner Records The Cruise of the U.S.S. Codfish · Bob Newhart Something Like This... The Bob Newhart Anthology ℗ 2001 Warner Records Inc. & Rhino Entertainment Company Writer: Bob Newhart Writer: Newhart Auto-generated by YouTube.

yewtu.be

Yes, you still need a large battery in Nuclear subs. You see Nuclear reactors just generate heat, which is used to boil water, to create steam, and turn a drive shaft and turbines. This is a relatively noisey process, and will give away your position.

However, if you instead take some of the electricity and charge batteries, you can operate without all the noisey turbines for a certain period, allowing you to be more stealthy and carry out certain tasks undetected.

 

[Value Collector]

1971 for France

Can France build nuclear-powered submarines?

Answer (1 of 6): A2A: Can France build nuclear-powered submarines? Of course not! All the so-called nuclear submarines that the French navy has claimed to operate ever since 1971 have been a hoax, just like the US moon landing. So, no, the French company Direction des Constructions Navales (DC...

www.quora.com

So more than 50y..

The Role of Submarine Batteries in Undersea Warfare Technology

Batteries have been and will remain an important part of undersea warfare technology.

www.batterytechonline.com

Batteries are used for ballast..lead ones heavy can be good..tell that to my wife
...and backup power..no you do not stop a nuclear reactor to enter combat mode
Not yet tomorrow we will see EV with a nuclear reactor but yes in icebreaker, massive ships, etc

You don’t have to stop the reactor, but with batteries you can stop spinning the turbines for a certain period of time when you need to for example if you are trying to sneak up on other warships, or conduct espionage, or maybe even drop off special forces soldiers etc

 

[Smurf1976]

Sounds like Russia when it was poor and had the Trabant.

That was East Germany.

Off topic post but I've driven one and it's an experience....

Technically it does have brakes. They don't work very well but they are fitted yes and they do stop the car. Just be mindful of their limitations.

Power steering it has that yes - human muscle power.

Gear shift takes some getting your mind around but OK once familiar.

Now for the fun part.....

The fuel tank is at the front of the car and to fill it you open the bonnet. Fuel is two stroke mix not straight petrol. There's no fuel gauge but the tank does come with a dipstick to check the fuel level, something you ought do regularly if you don't like the idea of being stranded beside the road. The fuel tank is wisely placed above the rather hot running (since it's air-cooled) engine and gravity fed such that turning the engine off cuts the ignition but not the fuel supply.

Also to note is the extensive use of plastic, including for all major panels on the car.

So in short be really, really careful to not run into anything because you basically do have a bomb sitting in front of you with an ignition source below it.

Definitely one of the more memorable cars I've driven.

 

[divs4ever]

That was East Germany.

Off topic post but I've driven one and it's an experience....

Technically it does have brakes. They don't work very well but they are fitted yes and they do stop the car. Just be mindful of their limitations.

Power steering it has that yes - human muscle power.

Gear shift takes some getting your mind around but OK once familiar.

Now for the fun part.....

The fuel tank is at the front of the car and to fill it you open the bonnet. Fuel is two stroke mix not straight petrol. There's no fuel gauge but the tank does come with a dipstick to check the fuel level, something you ought do regularly if you don't like the idea of being stranded beside the road. The fuel tank is wisely placed above the rather hot running (since it's air-cooled) engine and gravity fed such that turning the engine off cuts the ignition but not the fuel supply.

Also to note is the extensive use of plastic, including for all major panels on the car.

So in short be really, really careful to not run into anything because you basically do have a bomb sitting in front of you with an ignition source below it.

Definitely one of the more memorable cars I've driven.

.. so , not suitable for shopping at the malls

but i am sure we could make and EV version maybe even with lead-acid batteries

 

[mullokintyre]

Another Vehicle manufacturer has found that the projected sales of EV's was somewhat optimistic.

From Nikkei Asia
NAGOYA -- Toyota Motor plans to significantly slow its production of electric vehicles, cutting its global output forecast for 2026 to 1 million cars, some 30% lower than the previously announced sales forecast for the same year, Nikkei has learned.
The Japanese automaker's decision to cut EV production was prompted by the slowdown in the global EV market.
Toyota has notified its parts suppliers of the decision.
Despite its new 2026 forecast marking a significant rise in EV sales, production will slow compared to earlier plans.
Last May, Toyota announced a goal to sell 1.5 million EVs by 2026, intending to use the figure as a benchmark to strengthen its supply chain for batteries and other components.

Global EV sales reached 9.7 million units in 2023, a 32% rise from 2022, though slower than the 65% growth seen the year prior.
Tesla's global sales dropped 7% in the first half of 2023 to 830,000 units, while China's BYD saw an 18% increase to 720,000 EVs, alongside a 40% jump in plug-in hybrid vehicle sales.

Mick

 

[Value Collector]

Another Vehicle manufacturer has found that the projected sales of EV's was somewhat optimistic.


Mick

It’s not overly surprising, Toyotas sales in general are slipping, so if their sales of petrol cars are being squeezed, then EV sales where they aren’t the dominate player will really take a hit.

Mean while in the Market that Toyota is struggling the most eg China BYD has seen Ev sales jump by 30%


Toyota global sales contracting
https://www.reuters.com/business/au...ll-april-led-by-drops-china-japan-2024-05-30/

 

[sptrawler]

Commentary: EV charging faces deeper problems than we realise

To boost electric vehicle ownership, we need to fix the broken business model of public charging, says David Fickling for Bloomberg Opinion.

www.channelnewsasia.com

 

[sptrawler]

Germany wont be happy.

Spain breaks EU ranks with sudden call to drop China EV tariffs

THE European Union should re-examine its plan to impose additional tariffs on Chinese-made electric vehicles (EV), Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez said during a visit to the Asian nation, underlining simmering EU divisions over the trade measure. Read more at The Business Times.

www.businesstimes.com.sg

The bloc’s second-largest car manufacturer, Spain, is looking to attract Chinese investments to develop its EV industry

THE European Union should re-examine its plan to impose additional tariffs on Chinese-made electric vehicles (EV), Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez said during a visit to the Asian nation, underlining simmering EU divisions over the trade measure.

“I have to be blunt and frank with you that we need to reconsider – all of us, not only member states but also the European Commission – our position towards this movement,” Sanchez said on Wednesday (Sep 11) in Kunshan, China.

Such a move would represent a dramatic reversal for EU trade chiefs in Brussels and their supporters such as French President Emmanuel Macron, who have been calling for urgent action to prevent European manufacturers being overwhelmed by state-subsidised competition from China.

If a qualified majority of member states – 15 countries representing at least 65 per cent of the EU’s population – does not block the measures in a binding vote, the European Commission will publish a final regulation on the tariffs by Oct 30. The duties would then remain in effect for five years.

 

[qldfrog]

Germany wont be happy.

Spain breaks EU ranks with sudden call to drop China EV tariffs

THE European Union should re-examine its plan to impose additional tariffs on Chinese-made electric vehicles (EV), Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez said during a visit to the Asian nation, underlining simmering EU divisions over the trade measure. Read more at The Business Times.

www.businesstimes.com.sg

The bloc’s second-largest car manufacturer, Spain, is looking to attract Chinese investments to develop its EV industry

THE European Union should re-examine its plan to impose additional tariffs on Chinese-made electric vehicles (EV), Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez said during a visit to the Asian nation, underlining simmering EU divisions over the trade measure.

“I have to be blunt and frank with you that we need to reconsider – all of us, not only member states but also the European Commission – our position towards this movement,” Sanchez said on Wednesday (Sep 11) in Kunshan, China.

Such a move would represent a dramatic reversal for EU trade chiefs in Brussels and their supporters such as French President Emmanuel Macron, who have been calling for urgent action to prevent European manufacturers being overwhelmed by state-subsidised competition from China.

If a qualified majority of member states – 15 countries representing at least 65 per cent of the EU’s population – does not block the measures in a binding vote, the European Commission will publish a final regulation on the tariffs by Oct 30. The duties would then remain in effect for five years.

Second largest manufacturer??? Hum doubt it
And this is just cheap talk from the Spanish PM imho to get more Asian deals
Individual governments have long lost any power vs the E.C except maybe the German leader and the EC is mostly controlled by the states

 

[divs4ever]

Commentary: EV charging faces deeper problems than we realise

To boost electric vehicle ownership, we need to fix the broken business model of public charging, says David Fickling for Bloomberg Opinion.

www.channelnewsasia.com

yes the infrastructure problem was foreseeable

the other problem was these manufacturers aiming at the top end of the market and not the basic city-dweller/user and then adding better models as the infrastructure caught up

 

[JohnDe]

with wireless electricity currently under research
maybe we can even charge it while we are waiting for the red light?

Tesla is apparently inching closer to launching a wireless charging system, with recently published patents for its version circulating on social media.

Tesla wireless charging system seemingly one step closer

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Tesla is apparently inching closer to launching a wireless charging system, with recently published patents for its version circulating on social media.

The documents were uncovered by an X (formerly Twitter) user named SETI Park – a self-described independent patent researcher – who posted it on the social media platform.

According to the unearthed filings, the charging infrastructure appears to have a wall box connected to a ground pad located on the floor, which can theoretically charge an electric vehicle wirelessly by sending electricity through inductive coils located in the floor mat and the underside of a car.

While Tesla has yet to officially announce the wireless charging system, multiple reports speculate it would only be available on the Cybertruck and the upcoming robotaxi – an autonomous rideshare car that has been delayed numerous times before its planned unveiling on 10 October 2024.

As previously reported by Drive, some Cybertruck owners came across instructions for inductive charging components in the servicing manual, which suggests that wireless charging could be in Tesla’s future plans for its newest model.

Tesla has been rumoured to be working on a wireless charging system for the past couple of years, with speculation fuelled by the brand’s past acquisition of Wiferion – a German startup that specialises in wireless charging products – in June 2023.

The electric auto giant eventually sold Wiferion to another company four months after it acquired the start-up, but Tesla retained some of its engineers to continue working on various projects.

While the rumours of a wireless Tesla charging system simmered down after the Wiferion sale, key figures within the brand said it continued to work on the technology.

In a December 2023 interview with Jay Leno, Lars Moravy, Tesla's VP of Vehicle Engineering said "We're working on inductive charging. So you don't even need to plug something in at that point. You just pull in your garage, drive over the pad, and you're charging."

 

[sptrawler]

Second largest manufacturer??? Hum doubt it
And this is just cheap talk from the Spanish PM imho to get more Asian deals
Individual governments have long lost any power vs the E.C except maybe the German leader and the EC is mostly controlled by the states

I think you are right.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/eu-says-it-has-rejected-minimum-price-offers-chinese-ev-exporters-2024-09-12/