One of the issues about the much touted over the airways updates is that a bd faith actor, in this case the Chinese, could send out an OTA that crippled all the vehicles.
Sounds like the U.S is getting nervous about the growth of Chinese EV's
One of the issues about the much touted over the airways updates is that a bd faith actor, in this case the Chinese, could send out an OTA that crippled all the vehicles.
Indeed, if I was running the show, I would have a trojan horse installed already.
it would just need a piece of software already installed in the controller that said that unless it gets regular updates from headquarters, the controller prevents the vehicle from running.
Mick
It is that easy, its being done all the time.If it was that easy, every mobile phone, computer, and anything else that is connected to a Wi-Fi system is vulnerable to mass hacking. Including medical devices.
Which Internet-Connected Medical Devices Pose The Highest Hacking Risk?
It is that easy, its being done all the time.
What on earth makes you think all of the above is not vulnerable?
In the case of trojans, we have no idea the software is even there.
Mick
That's the problem, you may not even know you have been hacked, you may not even know that your devices have trojans in them until activated.Mainly because I don't know anyone that has had their mobile phone hacked by or during an OTA update, and I interact with an average of 15 different people 6 days a week, I've had several phones starting with Nokia, Motorola, Samsung and iPhones starting with the earliest and up to the latest 15. I use the phone for everything, from business calls to banking and investment, games and updates almost daily. Not once have I been hacked.
That's the problem, you may not even know you have been hacked, you may not even know that your devices have trojans in them until activated.
As another famous bloke once said, there known unknowns, and there are unknown unknowns.
Mick
I never mentioned hacking in my original post, you bought it up.Now you’re starting to sound a little paranoid.
The purpose of hacking is to get something, if I have been hacked I would have lost something. The reason I install updates as soon as they are available is to limit the chances of being hacked.
The original discussion was in regards to your mention of being hacked by an over the air update.
Of course nothing is impossible, but the chances are extremely slim. Just like you losing all your banked money and investments from a hacker.
I never mentioned hacking in my original post, you bought it up.
I was talking about inbuilt trojans, I am sorry if you are unable to grasp such subtle differences.
Mick
If it was that easy, every mobile phone, computer, and anything else that is connected to a Wi-Fi system is vulnerable to mass hacking. Including medical devices.
Which Internet-Connected Medical Devices Pose The Highest Hacking Risk?
It is that easy all A/C and grid connected inverters sold in Australia have to be fitted with remote overide devices, so that power system control can shut them down remotely, as far as I know, @Smurf 1976 would be able to confirmIt is that easy, its being done all the time.
What on earth makes you think all of the above is not vulnerable?
In the case of trojans, we have no idea the software is even there.
Mick
One of the issues about the much touted over the airways updates is that a bd faith actor, in this case the Chinese, could send out an OTA that crippled all the vehicles.
Indeed, if I was running the show, I would have a trojan horse installed already.
it would just need a piece of software already installed in the controller that said that unless it gets regular updates from headquarters, the controller prevents the vehicle from running.
Mick
Couldn’t any car have stuff like that built in, I mean if the car company really wanted to couldn’t they install the car with a mobile data connection that you don’t even know about?I never mentioned hacking in my original post, you bought it up.
I was talking about inbuilt trojans, I am sorry if you are unable to grasp such subtle differences.
Mick
Yes, the only cars that wouldn't have it, are those that didn't want to spend the money, the Kona doesn't have it but I think the new generation does have over the air.Couldn’t any car have stuff like that built in, I mean if the car company really wanted to couldn’t they install the car with a mobile data connection that you don’t even know about?
Running off on a tangent again.Couldn’t any car have stuff like that built in, I mean if the car company really wanted to couldn’t they install the car with a mobile data connection that you don’t even know about?
geez, now look at who has got into the paranoia.e.g you think your car is off grid but really it has a data connection, if an Apple Watch can connect to mobile phone towers or satellites surely the hardware could be hidden in a large thing like a car.
Hang on, you are the one that started talking about having trojan horses installed and stuff, I am not paranoid I just drive my car around.Running off on a tangent again.
The original post was about OTA, this other stuff is another issue.
geez, now look at who has got into the paranoia.
1. Cars that have OTA updates, by deffinition must have an internet connection.
2. They must have software that verifies updates and performs the installation.
3. The software is installed at production time, not later, not by a hack, but by the manufacturer or their agents if they outsource it.
Mick
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