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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    198
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Good grief.

There are cheap ICEVs.

There are no cheap EVs.

Does this compute? Is it simple enough to grasp?

You can only pretend EVs are cheap if you compare them to expensive ICEVs.

You're being completely dishonest.

Another factor in the equation is that EVs probably won't hold their value or last as long as ICEVs. My Subaru is over 20 years old and has done well over 400,000km. Sure, that's unusual, but it still gets about the same range out of a tank as it did the day it drove out of the showroom.

Looking at the life expectancy for ICEVs vs EVs, anything that loaded with tech and gadgets isn't going to age well, and the battery itself will lose efficiency over the years. We all know we don't get as long out of our phone lithium batteries after a couple of years compared to the first six months.

We know that laptops etc become obsolete etc pretty quickly. Even the EV I was driving at less than one month old had some glitches in the electronics and fancy software.

We all know that even looking at traditional cars, the life expectancy has been consistently dropping, which makes purchase price an even bigger consideration.

As QLDFrog says, if you want to compare to a Ferrari, sure, you can make an EV look cheap, but that's just being blatantly dishonest and completely absurd. Find me an EV which is cost competitive with a basic car like the majority of people buy. Or looking at the second hand market, find me an EV a few years old which has decent range etc (a 10 year old second hand ICEV will have a perfectly respectable range). Heck, if you're able to afford a Ferrari or a new Tesla etc, you're hardly worried about the cost of a tank of fuel anyway.

Find me an EV I can fully charge from near empty in a quarter of the time I can refuel an ICEV from empty tank (and even then I won't get the same range out of an EV unless you want to compare the best range EV with the worst range ICEV and completely ignore the radical price differences etc).
 
 
Jaguar has introduced its last combustion engine sports car, coming to Australia next year.
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"Jaguar will celebrate its last internal-combustion-engined sportscar with F-Type ZP Editions, built during the model's final year of production (2024), as the company gears up to go fully electric the following year. The cars' specification mirrors the E-type Project ZP Collection from Jaguar Classic."​

 

Solution? Councils install more charging stations especially in those 'burbs which do not have off-street parking. Problem? Lack of available space to install said charging stations.

Anyway, I think the 600km retractable extension cords are a greater cause for concern.
 
they could always opt for overhead cables like they did for electric trams and trolley buses , take the demand edge for batteries as well

nice to see a well-organized ( WEF ) agenda

all they need is for Tony Blair to replace Klaus
 
In a big win for Victorian Electric Vehicle owners, the High Court has ruled that a tax on EV 's travel, whether within the state or out of it, is invalid.
From ABC News
Not a lot of money saved, but hey anytime the state govt loses a case is good news to me.
mick
 
The Feds will put it on sooner or later. Lol
At least that take some time, because they will stuff it up as usual.
 
sptrawler said:
The Feds will put it on sooner or later. Lol
At least that take some time, because they will stuff it up as usual.
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The Victorian government haven't given up yet.

The chief justice, Susan Kiefel, along with justices Stephen Gageler, Jacqueline Gleeson, and Jayne Jagot, ruled in favour of the plaintiffs with the Victorian government ordered to pay legal costs. The court was divided in its 4-3 ruling.​
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A Victorian government spokesman said the state was disappointed with the outcome but accepted the court’s ruling and would take time to consider the judgement.​
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A spokeswoman from the Treasurer said Labor was seeking advice on the ruling and would work with Victoria and other states in relation to electric vehicle policy.​
 
They could just put up the cost of registration of all vehicles to achieve the same end.
Less administration, and very little chance the High court would prevent it.
And the govt can keep all the mulah in treasury and still leave the roads in a state of disaster outside Melbourne, while declaring its the fault of the feds for not passing on all the fossil fuel excise to vic.
Mick
 
SirRumpole said:
I'm sure they could figure out how to put charging outlets on power poles.
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The technical ease of doing it depends on circumstances but if it's overhead mains, and there's low voltage (230/400V) on that pole then it's dead simple.

Not so simple if it's underground mains and the pole is just a streetlight. It may or may not have constant supply, different authorities did that in different ways, and even if it does capacity may not be adequate.

Also very problematic if it's overhead mains but only HV (High Voltage - generally 11,000V or above) is on that pole.

So overall a lot could be done yes but not all.
 
mullokintyre said:
They could just put up the cost of registration of all vehicles to achieve the same end.
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They could but it'll probably prompt some political backlash for two reasons:

1. It's a flat charge that will see some pay more and others less versus a user pays approach.

2. In some states that'll make car registration the single largest bill the average person routinely receives. Politicians likely don't want to draw to attention the total cost and would prefer to separate it into different payments for that reason.
 
That is where the engineer fails the human knowledge, having charging points on the street is technically possible, but who should pay for it, and how long do you think it takes for them to be vandalized?
So who pay to repair, we all agree EV users should pay, not the people with no car...
 
qldfrog said:
how long do you think it takes for them to be vandalized?
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That would depend heavily on the location.

I've seen phone chargers in public, out in the open in a park complete with supplied cable, and they seemed to be suffering zero problems with vandalism etc. That was in Qatar however, a very different society than ours.

But then I've seen a whole street full of kiosk type chargers, with vehicles parked and plugged in overnight, in France.
 
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