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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%

  • Total voters
    198
I have noticed a lot more Toyota advertising lately, I wonder if it has something to do with trying to counter act the poor reports of its EV strategy.
 
rvian have announced they are also adopting the Us Tesla charging standard.
the others will have to follow suit as most of the charger manufacturers are switching to purely tesla.
mick
My guess is the EU compliant countries like Australia will use an adaptor, if they get access to the Tesla network, which makes sense for Tesla as they charge for usage.
As per usual the U.S goes its own way, China, the EU and most of the Western World have agreed on CCS, time will tell.
But it isn't difficult Australian Teslas use CCS from memory and work on both Tesla and public infrastructure, so it isn't as though we are re inventing the wheel.
Unlike in the early EV days with type 1, type 2 and CHAdeMo, Tesla and probably some others.
 

EU and Australia still use the CCS2 chargers, its only in North America that Tesla opted to design its own charger plug.

For example there is nothing stopping your Kona plugging into a Tesla Super charger in Australia, because your Kona and my Model 3 use the same plug.

But I wouldn't be able to plug my Tesla into the super chargers in the USA.
 
@sptrawler

In the USA Tesla has also installed these things called "Magic docks", into some of their chargers, where it has a built in adaptor that allows CCS2 chargers to plug in.

Watch the first 30seconds or so of each of the two videos I link, the first shows what the dock looks like when it's hanging, basically the regular plug clicks back into it, but when it knows the car needs the CCS2 it unblocks an adapter block, the second video shows some one using it.

(but if all the North American car companies switch to Teslas plug they would need to install more magic docks.


 
I believe that legislators and EV companies are keen to avoid the mess that still is the computer industry's plugs and adaptors.

Texas has now mandated that the Tesla plug be included at it's state charging stations. : According to Reuters.

Forward now at a quick march for ease of charging in other US states, I believe.

gg
 
Going to trade in the Bentley GG ?
 
If I had to guess, I thin the Tesla NAS plug with. E one the default plug in the Canada, USA and Mexico and possibly the rest of America.

While the CCS2 becomes the standard in the rest of the world.
 
The Model Y’s minimalist cabin, impressive center touchscreen, battery range, and “effortless acceleration” were the main points that led AutoTrader to award the American EV the title of the best new family car in the United Kingdom for this year.
Furthermore, the increased load capacity of the trunk, extra headroom, and higher driving position – compared to the Model 3 – were also important factors, as was the easy access to the company’s Supercharger network of DC fast chargers.

 
Victorian EV drivers to get an increase in road user tax from July 1.
A new tax that is counter productive IMO.


Drivers of electric and plug-in hybrid cars in Victoria will soon be paying as much as 10 per cent more per kilometre, under new rates beginning on 1 July 2023.

For electric vehicles, Victoria's road-user charge will increase by almost 8 per cent, from 2.6 to 2.8 cents per kilometre.
For plug-in hybrid vehicles, Victoria's road-user tax will increase from 2.1 to 2.3 cents per kilometre – an increase of almost 10 per cent.

The changes mean electric-car owners will soon pay 12 per cent more per kilometre than when the road-user charge was introduced two years ago, while plug-in hybrid owners will soon pay 15 per cent more per kilometre.
Exacerbating the increased road-user charges on 1 July 2023, electricity prices in Victoria are set to jump by as much as 25 per cent on the same day.

The Victorian Government claims the road-user charge was introduced to recuperate lost revenue received from the fuel excise – a federal tax applied to petrol, diesel, and LP gas at the pump.

Even after publicly admonishing the pay-per-kilometre charge for zero- and low-emissions vehicles, it's understood the South Australian Government is continuing to support Victoria in its High Court defence of the arbitrary fee.
 
So the reality is, the talk about zero emissions etc etc is just that, all talk.
If the dorks were really serious, they would do the same thing with ICE cars, but maybe make the charge 10 cents per km.
Mick
 
So the reality is, the talk about zero emissions etc etc is just that, all talk.
If the dorks were really serious, they would do the same thing with ICE cars, but maybe make the charge 10 cents per km.
Mick
It's really just a new tax by stealth, it is being challenged in the High Court, which from memory the Federal Govt is supporting.

The Victorian Government claims the road-user charge was introduced to recuperate lost revenue received from the fuel excise – a federal tax applied to petrol, diesel, and LP gas at the pump.
 

That is what happens when a socialist government runs out of money - they tax indiscriminately.

The sad part is that a majority of voters accept it, at the present time.
 
FMG led the mining industry in de-carbonizing its operations. However it has taken other mining companies like BHP a very short time to appreciate the value of electrifying their huge haul trucks and move swiftly. The economics are compelling.
Very detailed analysis.

BHP says battery electric cheaper than hydrogen as it dumps diesel for haul trucks

Source: Fortescue


BHP has unveiled plans to replace its fleet of diesel trucks with electric trucks, in a staged transition that will not only reduce the company’s scope 1 emissions but also provide huge savings on operational costs.

“Each year our Australian operations use roughly 1,500 mega litres of diesel in over 1,000 pieces of equipment,” said vice president of planning and technical minerals Australia Anna Wiley.

“Over half of this is used in our truck fleets. Electrification is the preferred pathway to eliminate this diesel. Part of the reason for this is energy efficiency.”

 
It will certainly be interesting to see how it works out when they are actually in service.
 
It will certainly be interesting to see how it works out when they are actually in service.
Huge horsepower needed to push these monsters around especially from the loading ramp to the surface. What will be the battery life in hours of service as these vehicles work around the clock.
My son who is in the Pilbara and was a tradie, but now an office johnny isn't able to get all the answers as yet.
 
Depending on terrain, some of them never need charging. There is one that works in Europe, it’s main job is carrying loads down hill, and going back up the hill empty, it recharges as it Carries the load down hill.

But if the do require charging they may be able to charge in about 30mins, and operate for 8 hours. Which is better than the required work rest cycle of the drivers.
 
Huge horsepower needed to push these monsters around especially from the loading ramp to the surface….

Horsepower for high RPM & circuit racing. Torque for moving from standstill and pulling heavy loads.
 
The electric truck has been around for a long time, I was overhauling the electric Haulpack wheels back in the mid 1970's, the diesels driving the alternator are about 2,000hp, so I like you wonder how the batteries will cope.
It will certainly be interesting to watch it unfold and what the end result looks like, I'm guessing a hybrid truck/tram style system..

Here is a exploded view of the truck motor/alt/ drive system and some pictures of the electric motor in the wheels, for those who are interested, just to indicate the size of the motors that are being operated there are two per truck.
2000hp is about 1,500kW so that when fully loaded, is certainly going to need some serious batteries, to haul it up out of the pit 24/7.



 
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