Electric cars?

[JohnDe]

I have noticed a lot more Toyota advertising lately, I wonder if it has something to do with trying to counter act the poor reports of its EV strategy.

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Toyota’s Electric Vehicle Strategy Still Seems Flawed​

By Nick Grous Director of Research, Autonomous Technology & Robotics​

While it had chosen a slow transition to electric vehicles (EVs), Toyota’s appointment of Koji Sato to CEO in April seemed like a promising step to accelerate the process. Last week, Toyota revealed its new strategy.1 ARK remains unimpressed. Toyota still seems dedicated to solid-state batteries that will deliver 1,000 km, or ~620 miles of range by 2027, five years later than its original forecast six years ago.2 What, we wonder, will be the cost of solid-state batteries compared to the low-cost battery chemistries to which the industry will have shifted in 2027? In our view, solid-state batteries will enable new capabilities and gain traction in devices with higher cost components. Drones, aviation, and wearables like augmented reality (AR) headsets, for example, are applications that could reach scale with solid-state batteries before costs and prices decrease and enable other applications. While Toyota announced other manufacturing innovations last week that seem promising, its EV strategy does not seem destined for mass market success.​

 

[mullokintyre]

rvian have announced they are also adopting the Us Tesla charging standard.
the others will have to follow suit as most of the charger manufacturers are switching to purely tesla.
mick

 

[sptrawler]

rvian have announced they are also adopting the Us Tesla charging standard.
the others will have to follow suit as most of the charger manufacturers are switching to purely tesla.
mick

My guess is the EU compliant countries like Australia will use an adaptor, if they get access to the Tesla network, which makes sense for Tesla as they charge for usage.
As per usual the U.S goes its own way, China, the EU and most of the Western World have agreed on CCS, time will tell.
But it isn't difficult Australian Teslas use CCS from memory and work on both Tesla and public infrastructure, so it isn't as though we are re inventing the wheel.
Unlike in the early EV days with type 1, type 2 and CHAdeMo, Tesla and probably some others.

 

[Value Collector]

My guess is the EU compliant countries like Australia will use an adaptor, if they get access to the Tesla network, which makes sense for Tesla as they charge for usage.
As per usual the U.S goes its own way, China, the EU and most of the Western World have agreed on CCS, time will tell.
But it isn't difficult Australian Teslas use CCS from memory and work on both Tesla and public infrastructure, so it isn't as though we are re inventing the wheel.
Unlike in the early EV days with type 1, type 2 and CHAdeMo, Tesla and probably some others.

EU and Australia still use the CCS2 chargers, its only in North America that Tesla opted to design its own charger plug.

For example there is nothing stopping your Kona plugging into a Tesla Super charger in Australia, because your Kona and my Model 3 use the same plug.

But I wouldn't be able to plug my Tesla into the super chargers in the USA.

 

[Value Collector]

@sptrawler

In the USA Tesla has also installed these things called "Magic docks", into some of their chargers, where it has a built in adaptor that allows CCS2 chargers to plug in.

Watch the first 30seconds or so of each of the two videos I link, the first shows what the dock looks like when it's hanging, basically the regular plug clicks back into it, but when it knows the car needs the CCS2 it unblocks an adapter block, the second video shows some one using it.

(but if all the North American car companies switch to Teslas plug they would need to install more magic docks.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I believe that legislators and EV companies are keen to avoid the mess that still is the computer industry's plugs and adaptors.

Texas has now mandated that the Tesla plug be included at it's state charging stations. : According to Reuters.

Forward now at a quick march for ease of charging in other US states, I believe.

gg

 

[SirRumpole]

I believe that legislators and EV companies are keen to avoid the mess that still is the computer industry's plugs and adaptors.

Texas has now mandated that the Tesla plug be included at it's state charging stations. : According to Reuters.

Forward now at a quick march for ease of charging in other US states, I believe.

gg

Going to trade in the Bentley GG ?

 

[Value Collector]

I believe that legislators and EV companies are keen to avoid the mess that still is the computer industry's plugs and adaptors.

Texas has now mandated that the Tesla plug be included at it's state charging stations. : According to Reuters.

Forward now at a quick march for ease of charging in other US states, I believe.

gg

If I had to guess, I thin the Tesla NAS plug with. E one the default plug in the Canada, USA and Mexico and possibly the rest of America.

While the CCS2 becomes the standard in the rest of the world.

 

[JohnDe]

The Model Y’s minimalist cabin, impressive center touchscreen, battery range, and “effortless acceleration” were the main points that led AutoTrader to award the American EV the title of the best new family car in the United Kingdom for this year.​

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Furthermore, the increased load capacity of the trunk, extra headroom, and higher driving position – compared to the Model 3 – were also important factors, as was the easy access to the company’s Supercharger network of DC fast chargers.​

Tesla Model Y Wins Award For Best New Family Car

The central touchscreen, impressive range, and effortless acceleration are all part of the crossover’s appeal.

The Tesla Model Y has been awarded the title of “Best Car for Families 2023” by the British classifieds website AutoTrader, which notes that the electric crossover takes what’s good about the smaller Model 3 and builds on it to make it a great family car. The UK-based site also awarded Tesla the company an award for the car brand with the best tech.

The Model Y’s minimalist cabin, impressive center touchscreen, battery range, and “effortless acceleration” were the main points that led AutoTrader to award the American EV the title of the best new family car in the United Kingdom for this year.

Furthermore, the increased load capacity of the trunk, extra headroom, and higher driving position – compared to the Model 3 – were also important factors, as was the easy access to the company’s Supercharger network of DC fast chargers.

The website quotes one enthusiastic owner, who said that “It's about the balance of speed, economy, and quality with big handfuls of fun and practicality thrown in.”

It’s worth noting that UK outlets usually consider compact hatchbacks as family cars, which is quite different from what American consumers have in mind when it comes to hauling a group of four or more people and their stuff around.

With this being said, it’s far from the first award for the Model Y, with Cars.com crowning it the “Best Electric Vehicle of 2022,” and the IIHS giving it the highly sought-after Top Safety Pick Plus rating. Euro NCAP also rated it as the safest Small SUV and gave it five stars out of five for the protection level of those inside in case of an accident.

The general public seems to consider Tesla’s entry-level crossover as a good buy, seeing how the Model Y was the world’s best-selling car in the first quarter of this year, with 267,200 units sold all over the globe, followed by the Toyota Corolla with 256,400 units.

Alongside its Model 3 sedan sibling, the Model Y is also on the top of the list for first-time electric car buyers, according to a recent study performed by Recurrent Auto.

In the United States, Tesla’s crossover starts at $47,740 for the dual-motor all-wheel drive version, before any incentive or tax credit is applied.

 

[sptrawler]

It certainly looks like BYD mean business, impressive clip showing off the suspension, which should make for unbelievable on road handling.

Video: BYD's electric supercar can jump on the spot, drive on three wheels

The new electric supercar from BYD has new electric suspension that can jump and allow it to drive on three wheels.

www.drive.com.au

 

[sptrawler]

Victorian EV drivers to get an increase in road user tax from July 1.
A new tax that is counter productive IMO.

Victoria's electric-car road-user charges to increase from 1 July 2023

Victoria's controversial road-user charges for electric and plug-in hybrid cars are set to increase from 1 July 2023.

www.drive.com.au

Drivers of electric and plug-in hybrid cars in Victoria will soon be paying as much as 10 per cent more per kilometre, under new rates beginning on 1 July 2023.

For electric vehicles, Victoria's road-user charge will increase by almost 8 per cent, from 2.6 to 2.8 cents per kilometre.
For plug-in hybrid vehicles, Victoria's road-user tax will increase from 2.1 to 2.3 cents per kilometre – an increase of almost 10 per cent.

The changes mean electric-car owners will soon pay 12 per cent more per kilometre than when the road-user charge was introduced two years ago, while plug-in hybrid owners will soon pay 15 per cent more per kilometre.
Exacerbating the increased road-user charges on 1 July 2023, electricity prices in Victoria are set to jump by as much as 25 per cent on the same day.

The Victorian Government claims the road-user charge was introduced to recuperate lost revenue received from the fuel excise – a federal tax applied to petrol, diesel, and LP gas at the pump.

Even after publicly admonishing the pay-per-kilometre charge for zero- and low-emissions vehicles, it's understood the South Australian Government is continuing to support Victoria in its High Court defence of the arbitrary fee.

 

[mullokintyre]

So the reality is, the talk about zero emissions etc etc is just that, all talk.
If the dorks were really serious, they would do the same thing with ICE cars, but maybe make the charge 10 cents per km.
Mick

 

[sptrawler]

So the reality is, the talk about zero emissions etc etc is just that, all talk.
If the dorks were really serious, they would do the same thing with ICE cars, but maybe make the charge 10 cents per km.
Mick

It's really just a new tax by stealth, it is being challenged in the High Court, which from memory the Federal Govt is supporting.

The Victorian Government claims the road-user charge was introduced to recuperate lost revenue received from the fuel excise – a federal tax applied to petrol, diesel, and LP gas at the pump.

 

[JohnDe]

Victorian EV drivers to get an increase in road user tax from July 1.
A new tax that is counter productive IMO.

Victoria's electric-car road-user charges to increase from 1 July 2023

Victoria's controversial road-user charges for electric and plug-in hybrid cars are set to increase from 1 July 2023.

www.drive.com.au

Drivers of electric and plug-in hybrid cars in Victoria will soon be paying as much as 10 per cent more per kilometre, under new rates beginning on 1 July 2023.

For electric vehicles, Victoria's road-user charge will increase by almost 8 per cent, from 2.6 to 2.8 cents per kilometre.
For plug-in hybrid vehicles, Victoria's road-user tax will increase from 2.1 to 2.3 cents per kilometre – an increase of almost 10 per cent.

The changes mean electric-car owners will soon pay 12 per cent more per kilometre than when the road-user charge was introduced two years ago, while plug-in hybrid owners will soon pay 15 per cent more per kilometre.
Exacerbating the increased road-user charges on 1 July 2023, electricity prices in Victoria are set to jump by as much as 25 per cent on the same day.

The Victorian Government claims the road-user charge was introduced to recuperate lost revenue received from the fuel excise – a federal tax applied to petrol, diesel, and LP gas at the pump.

Even after publicly admonishing the pay-per-kilometre charge for zero- and low-emissions vehicles, it's understood the South Australian Government is continuing to support Victoria in its High Court defence of the arbitrary fee.

That is what happens when a socialist government runs out of money - they tax indiscriminately.

The sad part is that a majority of voters accept it, at the present time.

 

[basilio]

FMG led the mining industry in de-carbonizing its operations. However it has taken other mining companies like BHP a very short time to appreciate the value of electrifying their huge haul trucks and move swiftly. The economics are compelling.
Very detailed analysis.

BHP says battery electric cheaper than hydrogen as it dumps diesel for haul trucks​

• June 23, 2023
• No comments
• 4 minute read
• Daniel Bleakley

Source: Fortescue


BHP has unveiled plans to replace its fleet of diesel trucks with electric trucks, in a staged transition that will not only reduce the company’s scope 1 emissions but also provide huge savings on operational costs.

“Each year our Australian operations use roughly 1,500 mega litres of diesel in over 1,000 pieces of equipment,” said vice president of planning and technical minerals Australia Anna Wiley.

“Over half of this is used in our truck fleets. Electrification is the preferred pathway to eliminate this diesel. Part of the reason for this is energy efficiency.”

BHP says battery electric cheaper than hydrogen as it dumps diesel for haul trucks

BHP crunches numbers on operating costs for electric, hydrogen and diesel, and unveils plans to transition mine site to all electric haulage trucks, with dynamic charging.

thedriven.io

 

[sptrawler]

It will certainly be interesting to see how it works out when they are actually in service.

 

[farmerge]

It will certainly be interesting to see how it works out when they are actually in service.

Huge horsepower needed to push these monsters around especially from the loading ramp to the surface. What will be the battery life in hours of service as these vehicles work around the clock.
My son who is in the Pilbara and was a tradie, but now an office johnny isn't able to get all the answers as yet.

 

[Value Collector]

Huge horsepower needed to push these monsters around especially from the loading ramp to the surface. What will be the battery life in hours of service as these vehicles work around the clock.
My son who is in the Pilbara and was a tradie, but now an office johnny isn't able to get all the answers as yet.

Depending on terrain, some of them never need charging. There is one that works in Europe, it’s main job is carrying loads down hill, and going back up the hill empty, it recharges as it Carries the load down hill.

But if the do require charging they may be able to charge in about 30mins, and operate for 8 hours. Which is better than the required work rest cycle of the drivers.

 

[JohnDe]

Huge horsepower needed to push these monsters around especially from the loading ramp to the surface….

Horsepower for high RPM & circuit racing. Torque for moving from standstill and pulling heavy loads.

 

[sptrawler]

Huge horsepower needed to push these monsters around especially from the loading ramp to the surface. What will be the battery life in hours of service as these vehicles work around the clock.
My son who is in the Pilbara and was a tradie, but now an office johnny isn't able to get all the answers as yet.

The electric truck has been around for a long time, I was overhauling the electric Haulpack wheels back in the mid 1970's, the diesels driving the alternator are about 2,000hp, so I like you wonder how the batteries will cope.
It will certainly be interesting to watch it unfold and what the end result looks like, I'm guessing a hybrid truck/tram style system..

Here is a exploded view of the truck motor/alt/ drive system and some pictures of the electric motor in the wheels, for those who are interested, just to indicate the size of the motors that are being operated there are two per truck.
2000hp is about 1,500kW so that when fully loaded, is certainly going to need some serious batteries, to haul it up out of the pit 24/7.