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Yeah I saw that. That's in addition to the export market for the Lithium itself. Chinese companies are all over it at the moment.
Yeah I saw that. That's in addition to the export market for the Lithium itself. Chinese companies are all over it at the moment.If you read a few posts earlier, I said we are in a very good position, to start a battery manufacturing industry. Post #746
Yes the demand is rising, but we need to get into the value adding, before it becomes like iron ore or any other raw material.Yeah I saw that. That's in addition to the export market for the Lithium itself. Chinese companies are all over it at the moment.
This is exactly right. How they have not made a viable tradie van is beyond me. And it would need a minimum of 350km range. And thats at the very least with a decent load.Only batteries make electric cars more expensive.
Tesla's are unashamedly upmarket, and Musk is clawing back hundreds of millions in research in order to stay in business.
Electric cars themselves are incredibly basic, so building them would be a doddle. Equipping them with the latest electronic gadgetary is also getting cheaper every year.
But they have!This is exactly right. How they have not made a viable tradie van is beyond me.
Just to put this earlier post into perspective, total annual wind power generation (ie electricity) in Europe last year was 100 terawatt hours (TWh) greater than all sources of electricity production in Australia. By 2030 Europe expects to generate about 700TWh of electricity from wind turbines, which will be well in excess of twice as much as Australia's total output from all sources.Now, just over a day ago there was too much wind in SA and generation from already built wind farms went to waste. Wind was going really well in Vic at the same time too, all running nicely. Now, if only we had the ability to somehow store the wind so we could use it later.....
Just to put the European car and the renewable comparison in perspective, as it is the market place and demand, that drives and funds the growth.Just to put this earlier post into perspective, total annual wind power generation (ie electricity) in Europe last year was 100 terawatt hours (TWh) greater than all sources of electricity production in Australia. By 2030 Europe expects to generate about 700TWh of electricity from wind turbines, which will be well in excess of twice as much as Australia's total output from all sources.
Yes, but that's incidental to the additional electrical energy requirements of a vehicle fleet that is not presently consuming electricity, and a fleet of similar size by 2030 that will be.Just to put the European car and the renewable comparison in perspective, as it is the market place and demand, that drives and funds the growth.
Europe has a population of 740million, Australia has a population of 25m.
The other elephant in the room, that no one is talking about, with this headlong rush to E.V's.Yes, but that's incidental to the additional electrical energy requirements of a vehicle fleet that is not presently consuming electricity, and a fleet of similar size by 2030 that will be.
I am pointing out first that from a capacity perspective, all Australia's electricity needs could come from wind energy by 2030 (obviously if that investment were committed), and even if it did not, wind power would be the simplest way to progressively add energy to the grid as the transition from ICE to EV was occurring.
That's because wind is not constrained like solar, so the principle of overnight charging makes sense given that what has already happened with excess wind power going nowhere could in future flow into EVs.
It really depends where you get your information from as to what you see in the room.The other elephant in the room, that no one is talking about, with this headlong rush to E.V's.
Is the depreciation cost involved, the value of the ICE vehicle will fall like a stone, much quicker than the E.V purchase cost, over the same period of time.
Some people, like ASF members, wont notice the cost. Others less fortunate will find it a major burden.
The other social cost will, be the auto related industries will cop a major hit, as it downsizes to meet the reduced demand.
I certainly think 10 years is fanciful, but time will tell, as usual.
It will be interesting how the manufacturers will maintain the margins, in the change over, manufacturing costs will drop but with it the money made from spare parts will drop.It really depends where you get your information from as to what you see in the room.
Our next vehicle will be electric, but we are ambivalent about the model or year of purchase right now. I suspect 2023, but might hold out to 2024. If manufacturers ramp up output earlier and prices fall quickly, then 2022 is in the ballpark.
It is widely forecast that there will be a long lull in (private vehicle) ICE sales leading into a massive spike in EV sales. Savvy owners will not want to overcapitalise on a vehicle that has no resale value.
Interestingly, during this lull, quality second hand vehicles are likely to sell well because they will be very affordable to a market segment that has previously been priced out of their desired market.
My view is that the ICE/EV inflection point will be prior to 2025 because, like with smart phones, EVs offer so much more and the average buyer will not quibble about the extra thousands$$ given that over 3 years they would be wholly negated due to minimal running costs.
, like with smart phones, EVs offer so much more and the average buyer will not quibble about the extra thousands$$ given that over 3 years they would be wholly negated due to minimal running costs.
The cost of generating all forms of renewables is decreasing. The infrastructure for renewables will be the additional cost.That depends on power prices.
Once the big power companies get people hooked on EV's it's open season on motorists. Not to mention the loss of fuel excise revenue which governments will have to find somehow.
Which is why I think hybrids are a better deal. At least you have a choice and you can play off the power companies against the oil companies.
what I am worried about economically is the impact on the car repair maintenance and smash industries.As we go into shared and so smaller amount of electric cars with lower maintenance, self driven so less accidents, what will the shops along these industrial streets every city has do?, less tyre, repair,service, brake,etc etc, add no more taxi drivers: what will mining graduates do every down cycle, what will our indian IT specialists do when migrating to Oz?There is no doubt it is going to happen, it is just the rate of change and the amount of disruption in the process, that is the variable. IMO
It is the same as the changes happening in power generation, those with little knowledge are driving the agenda, which in most cases ends up in disaster. They want coal out by 2030, when in reality it will be about 2050. IMO
what I am worried about economically is the impact on the car repair maintenance and smash industries.As we go into shared and so smaller amount of electric cars with lower maintenance, self driven so less accidents, what will the shops along these industrial streets every city has do?, less tyre, repair,service, brake,etc etc, add no more taxi drivers: what will mining graduates do every down cycle, what will our indian IT specialists do when migrating to Oz?
Any job left?, and no, you do not need many programmers for these new models..
more baristas maybe...again?
or more housing regulations so that we can demolish 10y old obsolete housing to rebuilt...while saving the planet using no bags at woolies
They are not up to scratch yet. I was looking into them before.But they have!
There is a range of electric tradie type utes either at market or close to being released.
Future Electric Pickup Trucks Worth Waiting For
JAN 31 2019 BY JEFF PEREZ
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From the Rivian R1T to the promised Tesla pickup, these are the electric pickup trucks to start saving up for.
The truck wars are heating up, and manufacturers will introduce new and exciting pickups across multiple segments in the coming years. But more importantly for us in the electric car sphere, electric trucks are coming soon.
https://insideevs.com/future-electric-pickup-trucks/
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