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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    198
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mullokintyre said:
Well, given there are all these fantastic Tesla only superchargers, yesterday I was a bit peeved that at the council run chargers, there were 3 Teslas at the car park using up spaces that can be used by non teslas, but not the other way around.
Mick
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It's a council charging station, open to the public. Don't forget the diesel Ute parked in a charging spot, that is the crime and the owner should have got a parking ticket.
 
JohnDe said:
It's a council charging station, open to the public. Don't forget the diesel Ute parked in a charging spot, that is the crime and the owner should have got a parking ticket.
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You neatly sidestepped the question, which is if the Tesla network is so good, why did 3 Tesla drivers pick the slow chargers at the council parking area, when the non tesla owners do not have the luxury of the reverse.
Mick
 
mullokintyre said:
You neatly sidestepped the question, which is if the Tesla network is so good, why did 3 Tesla drivers pick the slow chargers at the council parking area, when the non tesla owners do not have the luxury of the reverse.
Mick
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Sorry, I didn't see a question only a statement.

I can only guess and give you those guesses:
  • No nearby Tesla chargers
  • Tesla chargers full
  • Tesla owner lives in the area, pays council rates and wants something back.
  • Tesla owner gets a discount from that particular station.
  • Testing out non-Tesla charging network.
  • Checking out the competition.
  • Showing off.
  • Traveling past.
Just because the Tesla charging network is the best, it doesn't mean that everyone with Tesla is going to use it. Just like Ferrari recommending the use of Shell fuel, it doesn't mean that all Ferrari owners will.

The great thing about the Tesla charging network is that it is fast, situated in decent locations, it is plug & play (no dragging out a card or phone), but best of all is the Tesla software which calculates where to stop and for how long.


 
But I was asking what you thought.
 
mullokintyre said:
Well, given there are all these fantastic Tesla only superchargers, yesterday I was a bit peeved that at the council run chargers, there were 3 Teslas at the car park using up spaces that can be used by non teslas, but not the other way around.
Mick
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Yep, if the charger is free or cheaper than a Tesla super charger sometimes teslas will opt to use the non Tesla chargers.

I am in Orlando Florida at the moment, and stopped at a charging station that had 10 Tesla chargers, and two non Tesla chargers.

One of the teslas at the station opted to use the non Tesla charger because even though it charged 4 times slower, it was 50% cheaper so the guy decided to use that since he had to go into the super target to do his grocery shopping anyway.

But I guess that’s the benefit of the Tesla, you have the option of using all these other generic chargers, plus you have you own network of super fast chargers.
 
No, it shows that teslas drivers are self entitled twits.
The bloke has 12 chargers to choose, but chooses one of the two non tesla chargers that only work for "others", because its cheaper.
I thought also tesla owners were saints!.
mick
 
mullokintyre said:
No, it shows that teslas drivers are self entitled twits.
The bloke has 12 chargers to choose, but chooses one of the two non tesla chargers that only work for "others", because its cheaper.
I thought also tesla owners were saints!.
mick
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Hahaha, people make decisions based on price all the time. Some car owners catch the train to avoid parking fees for example etc etc.

Just because you own a Tesla doesn’t mean you won’t shop around for your electricity based on price and convenience.

There are so many Teslas cars, if you want your non Tesla charging network to grow and expand, you kinda need some of us Tesla owners using the non Tesla brands. If your non Tesla brand networks are under utilised they will decay and die, which is kinda already happening. I would be diverting my angry and disgust towards that shop owner who parked his diesel there.

Not sure what you mean about Tesla owners being saints.
 
That route is one I drive regularly, and there are actually 4 extra super chargers that are on it that aren’t showing up on your route map, that you can stop at instead if it aligns better with the travellers need for food or bodily function breaks.

1. Mardi
2. Coffs harbour
3. Ballina (it’s called knockrow or something)
4. Gold Coast

If you do drive that route, I recommend to stop at Coffs rather than Yamba, better options for food, but for some reason the Tesla algorithm does try and get me to skip it and stop at Yamba, I think because Coffs is busier than yamba.
 
mullokintyre said:
if the Tesla network is so good, why did 3 Tesla drivers pick the slow chargers at the council parking area, when the non tesla owners do not have the luxury of the reverse.
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Fragmentation.

It's the kind of thing technical people hate, seeing it as pointless inefficiency, but business loves since it presents the opportunity to sell the exact same thing at a range of prices.

In practice business makes the decisions but ultimately governments, electricity distributors, economics and physics itself will force at least some adherence to the technical aspects.
 
sptrawler said:
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Very interesting isn't it.
So the West is roughly a third of the market.
How much of the world representing 2/3 of car sales is able to afford an EV especially a western made one..is it zip or zero?
Ice have a long live ahead outside EV mandated "free world"? countries.....
I have the feeling retail EV will go the way of the LPG cars so popular 20y ago..do we even remember? You can not if you are a millennial...
 
Still 3 stops for a 900km trip and I assume leaving fully charged.
More than one hour extra to save at most 80l of diesel or $160 on my antique 4wd ute.
Take a plane....
That assumes you pay zero for recharge.
And this ute work beast is not the most frugal in term of consumption and not an ideal comfort choice either ?
For a fair comparison, you need to have a lot of free time and will never recover the $20k to $30k extra cost of the EV battery in fuel saving only.
The way I see it following this thread with interest:
For a std retail user
EVs are uneconomical , have recharge constraints which are limiting them greatly for away from base travel
So a great runabout choice for cashed up buyers or a bit show off and liking tech early adopters, but otherwise...
I understand that car buying does not have to make sense, Ferraris have been sold for years,and I even bought a 1965 spoke wheels MGB in my age crisis fooliness.
A big thank you to all the EV owners sharing their experience here BTW, even the ones on my ignore list.
Most appreciated
 

if you need, want or can drive 10 hours straight on the highway good luck to you & everyone around you.

My wife and I stopped travelling to get from one place to another as fast as possible when we were much younger. Now we travel to to take in the sights & experience the local areas we drive through, always stopping after about 4 hours for a stroll through a town and maybe a coffee or snack and a chat. My other car is capable of 900+ kilometers on a tank, we still stop every 4 or 5 hours. We don’t rush anymore.

Another benefit of the Tesla is no service costs. 28,000km so far an $0 in servicing.

 
SirRumpole said:
Not really sorry. I'm just in the process of watching the video, but I have to go out soon.
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OK, thought you must have watched it before posting and mentioning paint & price.

I watched the first several minutes, no mention of $2900 or paint. I'm presuming that you are referring to the extra cost for Premium paints, if so, most if not all manufacturers offer a premium paint option at a higher cost. Though the Tesla price does not match your figure. maybe it also includes the white interior, which is an added cost.

When you can please let me know what you were referring to, I am intrigued.

Design Your Model Y | Tesla

Design and order your Tesla Model Y, the car of the future.
www.tesla.com
 
At about the 1:10 mark red multi coat costs $2,900.
 
SirRumpole said:
At about the 1:10 mark red multi coat costs $2,900.
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Was he surprised that options cost extra?

As far as i know it has always been that way. When I purchased my VF SS-V Ute in 2014 I chose a premium colour and had to pay a premium price. Somewhere I read that the Ford Model T came standard in Black, any other colour was an extra cost.

Tesla offer White at no charge, all the other colours are $1500 extra, except for the Red Multi-coat at $2400. I dee that he also paid extra for the Sport Wheels, even though he had concerns that the stiffer & lower sidewall could cake for a harsher ride than the standard set-up.



 
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Given that they have such a big margin on sales, why would Tesla cannibalise that profit to make smaller cars?
Unless of course they have reached the point where the majority of those who would buy an EV have been satisfied, and now they have to compete on price with the entry level ICE cars.
They also have the Tesla Semi and Cybertruck about to commense production, are they going to be able to spread their people assets over so much area?
Mick
 

Tesla management have had quite a few investor days, where they and Elon explain plans for the future. https://ir.tesla.com/#other-documents-events

A smaller lower priced Tesla would open the market to more customers across the globe.

The small EV was discussed a while ago, and at the latest Q&A event https://ir.tesla.com/webcast-2023-01-25

Plans for a new Tesla car smaller than the Model 3 were first announced in late 2020, with a targeted price of $US25,000 (then $AU35,000), but it was announced earlier this year development had been paused to focus on the launches of the Cybertruck ute, Semi truck and Roadster sports car.​
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Tesla CEO Elon Musk told investors and media last week engineers are again working on the smaller car – the company’s second passenger-car platform, after the Model S/X siblings, and Model 3/Y duo – now production of the Semi has begun, and the Cybertruck is on course for mid next year.​
 
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