Electric cars?

[SirRumpole]

exactly why I see myself with an EV, I know enough maths to understand it is NOT economic however you twist it, as for saving the planet, let's all have a good laugh.. but with the clowns in charge, we will be forced that way;
The issue is that we want first to move to our final home, and even with 4 to 6 home visits a week, we have not found it yet
And there is no way I will fork the $50k or so to be off the grid, to move within 3 months!!
once off the grid, the Ev becomes an extra rechargeable battery for surplus solar and that should let us power the runabout for post offfice shopping and coffee runs..byd in mind

Thought you were thinking of moving countries ?

 

[mullokintyre]

Thought you were thinking of moving countries ?

I always thought Queensland WAS a different country.
Mick

 

[SirRumpole]

I always thought Queensland WAS a different country.
Mick

Some would like it to to be.

 

[JohnDe]

Some would like it to to be.

Only when Sir Joh was in charge

 

[qldfrog]

Thought you were thinking of moving countries ?

Lady not keen ...son is here.would be gone already..
I think she is starting to see the light looking at RE price here...all hope not lost

 

[JohnDe]

Looks like Toyota might be falling in line with the rest of the industry in designing a ground up EV platform -

Toyota Said To Develop EV-Only Platform Just As CEO Steps Down​

oyota Motor Corporation is reportedly developing an EV-only platform to increase the competitiveness and efficiency of its electric vehicles and cut production costs.

Asahi Shimbun, one of Japan's largest and most respectable newspapers, reports that the decision is part of Toyota's plan to start mass-producing EVs as it anticipates a rapid increase in consumer demand for electric vehicles amid steep gasoline price increases.

The publication notes that Toyota's new strategy aims to put the company in direct competition with EV industry leader Tesla.

If the information is accurate – the newspaper does not cite any sources – it marks a significant shift in the company's electrification strategy just as Toyota has announced a major executive reshuffle in the management chain of command.

The company said today that Toyota President and CEO Akio Toyoda will be replaced by current Toyota COO and Lexus International President Koji Sato effective April 1, 2023. Akio Toyoda, the grandson of the company founder, will continue as chairman of the board of directors as of April 1.

The company did not reveal details about the changes and the short press release did not include any statements from the two executives.

When Toyota developed its first high-volume production model, the bZ4X SUV, it decided to adapt its TNGA modular ICE platform for the electric SUV instead of developing an EV-only architecture.

Toyota originally intended to use the same e-TNGA platform for other future EV models, but it now appears to have changed its mind. The e-TNGA architecture shares characteristics with the TNGA counterpart used for gasoline-powered or hybrid cars, and as a result it has a complicated shape and parts that are completely unnecessary for electric vehicles.

This leads to higher manufacturing costs for Toyota EVs than those for Tesla's EV-only car platform. According to Asahi Shimbun's report, Toyota decided it could not generate decent profits with EVs and compete with Tesla if it kept using the e-TNGA platform – hence the decision to design an EV-dedicated architecture from scratch.

The report notes the platform will be flat like a skateboard and ideal to mass-produce EVs. A flat surface gives designers more choice on where to mount the batteries, compared with the bZ4X's e-TNGA platform.

So when are we going to see the first Toyota EV based on the new platform? Asahi Shimbun says Toyota has yet to decide that, but based on anticipated demand, it expects it will be between 2027 and 2028.

In the meantime, Toyota will accelerate the production and development of electric vehicles until it completes the new EV-only platform.

 

[rederob]

Peter Zeihan has just release a video on why the scalability issue is a big one for EV's.
He also brings a few other issues as well in terms of "green".
Mick

It's here.
I will correct a number of his very basic errors only as he got so little right it's amazing his video got any traction, apart from his gullible followers.
Let's start:

• At the 10 second mark Zeihan talks about "electronic" vehicles, rather than electric, so from the get go he's showing his ignorance
• In the next 10 seconds he says that EVs won't be an appreciable part of our transport future for "at least the next decade"... or "probably closer to three." One in four cars sold in Europe in 2022 were electric, while one in three cars now sold in China - the world's biggest car market - are electric. Zeihan has no idea of the relevant data proving him wrong in 2022, let alone in 10 years time
• Within 30 seconds, his next claim is that EV's don't stack up well on the CO2 front, yet there is no evidence supporting him and a great deal proving him ignorant
• His next claim about Tesla and carbon neutrality has no basis as Tesla never mentions its EVs as being "made" using 100% clean power... it's just one on dozens of his false assertions.

So that's 4 pieces of rubbish in less than a minute, and there's over 7 minutes left ... .

• Now into the first minute and his next claim is that Tesla's China manufacturing plant uses 100% coal power, whereas thermal coal only accounts for about two thirds
• At about 1:30 Zeihan makes an incredibly stupid point about the "power" of EVs and has instead confused comparative operational durations, which are in fact dependent on battery sizing given some EVs are already able to travel over 1000km on a single charge. Not content to be wrong on that point, he then compounds his ignorance by not knowing that we actually do have battery powered planes, and ships, albeit in small number, while semi EV rollouts are occurring as fast as they can be built
• At about 2:10 Zeihan says the Ford F150 Lightning's base price is about US$90k, whereas in fact its about $56k - and Ford has has already closed taking orders for 2023 Lightnings because they cannot make them fast enough
• At 2:18 Zeihan declares that "most of these technologies just aren't ready today". That comment sums up how little he knows. But wait, there's more...
• Next he claims that making EVs requires order of magnitude more for its material inputs. No data or sources and total BS. EVs are much simpler to make than ICEVs, and Tesla has used well established battery cell making technologies to power its cars, so his claim is total BS. In terms of the issue of "scaling," both BYD and Tesla have shown how it's possible to add a million or more EVs to their annual production, which is almost unheard of in the legacy auto space
• At 3:08 Zeihan makes the patently obvious false claim that the word has never been able to increase the volume of something it needs by a factor of TWO in 10 years. One easy rebuttal is the tenfold increase in smartphones in 8 years after iPhones were introduced in 2007. Or how about plastic production after 1950 which increased 30 fold in the next 25 years!
• At around the 4 minute mark Zeihan suggests we simply can't make the EV transition happen because of a host of reasons. Not a single one is credible, aside from the fact we need more raw materials that are used specifically for electrification
• At 4:52 most Tesla owners will tell you that their cars are NOT their 3rd or 4th car as Zeihan claims but, instead, their primary vehicle. It's so flawed and laughable an idea that you have to wonder how comes up with it
• Zeihan continues with his demented anti-Tesla rant, going on to totally balls-up Tesla's manufacturing and sales predominance. Zeihan has not grasped the fact that Tesla is an industry leader in every aspect of EV design and manufacture, and has the greatest profit margin per car of all manufacturers - not just of EVs
• At 6:50 Zeihan's comments about companies other than Tesla are total fabrications. If you own a Tesla you don't need an explanation. His following comments about a "capital crunch" and Tesla's stock market decline are purely speculative, as Tesla has no capital concerns. But it's market price definitely was overstretched and experienced an excessive correction which subsequently saw an 80% jump in the past 3 weeks
• And finally Mr Zeihan, your claims at 7:30 about other companies having better EV models than Tesla (within a reasonable price range) are seriously deranged.

To his credit, Zeihan ended his video by saying "this is not a stock tip or recommendation". Given most things he said were verifiably false or reflected gross ignorance, it's somewhat amazing he got quarter of a million views, and that many of his supporters have subsequently repeated his lies on the basis of his inflated status.
I removed a lot of data from this post as it was too long. But anyone can google Zeihan's claims and discover his utter incompetence for themselves. Sadly his ilk are responsible for much of the BS about EVs that pervades the internet.

 

[JohnDe]

Investing ideas -

5 EV charging station stocks for long-term investors as the industry continues to rapidly evolve.

Many transportation experts see electric vehicles as the way of the future. One obstacle to widespread adoption is the lack of charging stations. In order for electric vehicles to become the new norm, there must be a infrastructure in place to support them. This means a significant investment in charging stations which many see as an opportunity. The demand for electric vehicles is expected to grow significantly in the coming years, and those who invest in charging station stocks now could see healthy returns in the future. Securities within this list have been determined to have a high relevance to EV charging stations. We use an algorithm that helps us determine which securities have the most relevance and impact on this evolving industry. This list's performance is calculated on an equally weighted method.

This list has performed -18.42% over the past year. By comparison, S&P/ASX 200 is 7.24% over the same period. The beta of this list, which is a measure of volatility, is High at 1.60. List Beta is calculated using an equally weighted average beta of the securities within this list. This list includes 30.00% of Consumer Cyclicals stocks, 30.00% of Energy stocks, 30.00% of Utilities stocks, 10.00% of Industrials stocks.

List performance is calculated using an equal-weight methodology. This list is generated by scanning the web and using our algorithms to surface potentially relevant securities to the topic. The list is intended to be educational and includes securities that may be suitable for a watchlist. It is not intended for investment or trading purposes. Microsoft does not recommend using the data and information provided as the basis for making any investment decision.

TESLA, INC.​

TSLA. Tesla, Inc. designs, develops, manufactures, sells and leases fully electric vehicles and energy generation and storage systems, and offer services related to its products. The Company's automotive segment includes the design, development, manufacturing, sales, and leasing of electric vehicles as well as sales of automotive regulatory credits. Additionally, the automotive segment is also comprised of services and other, which includes non-warranty after-sales vehicle services, sales of used vehicles, retail merchandise, sales by its acquired subsidiaries to third party customers, and vehicle insurance. Its energy generation and storage segment includes the design, manufacture, installation, sales and leasing of solar energy generation and energy storage products and related services and sales of solar energy systems incentives. Its automotive products include Model 3, Model Y, Model S and Model X. Powerwall and Megapack are its lithium-ion battery energy storage products.

Tesla Inc. is 46.04 over the past month and -36.94 over the past year, outperforming the S&P/ASX 200 by 39.29 over the past month and -44.18 over the past year.

NIO INC.​

NIO. NIO Inc is a China-based holding company principally engaged in the research, development and manufacturing of premium smart electric vehicles. The Company is mainly engaged in the design, development, manufacture and sales of high-end smart electric vehicles. The Company's products mainly include ES8, ES6, EC6 and ET7. The Company develops battery swapping technologies and autonomous driving technologies. Its electric vehicles apply NAD (NIO Autonomous Driving) technology, including super computing platform NIO Adam and super sensing system NIO Aquila. The Company is also engaged in the provision of charging piles, vehicle internet connection services and extended lifetime warranties. The Company mainly conducts its businesses in the domestic market.

NIO Inc. is 29.69 over the past month and -39.19 over the past year, outperforming the S&P/ASX 200 by 22.95 over the past month and -46.42 over the past year.

AMPOL LIMITED​

ALD. Ampol Limited is Australia-based company engaged in fuels and infrastructure, and convenience retail business. The Company is primarily involved in the purchase, refining, distribution and marketing of petroleum products and the operation of convenience stores. The Company segment includes Convenience Retail and Fuels and Infrastructure. Its Convenience Retail segment includes revenues and costs associated with fuels and shop offerings at Ampol’s network of stores, including royalties and franchise fees on remaining franchise stores. Its Fuels and Infrastructure segment includes revenues and costs associated with the integrated wholesale fuels and lubricants supply for the Company, including the Company’s international businesses, which consists of lytton refining, bulk fuels sales, trading and shipping, infrastructure, and Sea oil businesses. The Company operates in Australia, New Zealand, the United States and Singapore.

Ampol Ltd. is 5.34 over the past month and 5.63 over the past year, underperforming the S&P/ASX 200 by -1.41 over the past month and -1.61 over the past year.

RIVIAN AUTOMOTIVE, INC.​

RIVN. Rivian Automotive, Inc. is a manufacturer of electric vehicles (EV). The Company is engaged in designing, developing, and manufacturing EVs and accessories. It sells vehicles directly to customers in the consumer and commercial markets. Its offerings include R1T, a two-row, five-passenger pickup truck, as well as the R1S, a three-row, seven-passenger sport utility vehicle (SUV). The R1 technology systems include vehicle electronics, battery, electric drive, chassis, Driver+, its advanced driver assistance system (ADAS), and digital user experience management. It also offers a portfolio of vehicle accessories, including all-weather floormats, camp kitchen, three-person rooftop tent, at-home Rivian wall charger, and others. It also offers FleetOS, a centralized fleet management subscription platform. In the commercial market, it offers Rivian Commercial Vehicle (RCV) platform. Through its RCV platform, it designed and engineered Electric Delivery Van (EDV) in collaboration with Amazon.

Rivian Automotive Inc. is 11.78 over the past month and -65.28 over the past year, outperforming the S&P/ASX 200 by 5.03 over the past month and -72.52 over the past year.

BP P.L.C.​

BP. BP p.l.c. is engaged in the global energy business with operations in Europe, North and South America, Australasia, Asia and Africa. The Company delivers heat, light and mobility products and services to customers around the world. The Company's segments include Upstream, Downstream, Rosneft, and Other businesses and corporate. The Upstream segment is responsible for its activities in oil and natural gas exploration, field development and production. The Downstream segment has global marketing and manufacturing operations, and includes the jet fuel, bunkering, bitumen lubricants and petrochemicals business of the Company. Rosneft is the Company's Russian refining business that owns and operates approximately 13 refineries in Russia, and holds stakes in three refineries in Germany, one in India and one in Belarus. It also owns and operates approximately 3,055 retail service stations in Russia and abroad.

BP PLC. is 4.67 over the past month and 16.90 over the past year, underperforming the S&P/ASX 200 by -2.08 over the past month and 9.66 over the past year.

 

[mullokintyre]

Yesterday we drove the BYD to visit children and grandchildren in the south eastern suburbs.
It was a there and back trip of about 440 kms.
Nominally, the BYD range of 420 kms means its quick charge short, but recent experience suggests that it would be significantly less than that, probably closer to 300 to 320 kms travelling with two on board at the 110km speed limit on the Hume freeway.
So while the rest of the family partied on, I made a quick 3 km detour to a local council parking area that had four charging slots, two with a cable, and two without cable. Only one was available for use, the other three all being occupied by Teslas. One was a Tesla Y model, and the owner gave me an enthusiastic tour of it. He did not seem at all interested in me returning the favour and showing him the BYD.
So, after about an hour, I had added about 10% of charge which i thought wold give me about a 40kms buffer up my sleeve for the return home.
My original thoughts were to drop into the Cooper street BP station, which nominally has 4 charging stations, but when I checked the Evie Ap, only one was working, and that one seemed to be frequently full, as it was when I drove past it on the way down , and the way back.
The fall back position was to detour about 15 kms to the maxi chargers in Avenel.
As we approached the decision point where I had to either detour to Avenel or continue the 70 odd kms to home, we still showed 34 kms of buffer, so i decided to just keep going - it was dark, raining, and two of the passengers wanted to watch the tennis on TV. Well that came back to bite me.
Around 12 kms from home , I got the " you need to charge right now" message, and we still had about 15 kms of range showing.
At the 6 km mark from home, the range suddenly plummeted to zero from the 10 kms that was showing.
In a couple of the test reviews from America for the Rivian and F250 Lightning, both of them had a reserve when it gets to 0 that gives another 12 to 15 kms of emergency, so I thought all would be well. Not so with the BYD.
It shifted itself to Neutral, and just stopped the engine and we coasted to a halt with the lights of the outskirts of town almost within spitting distance. A quick phone call, and a mate came to rescue us and bought a petrol driven generator with him.
Unfortunately, the 1.7 KVA genny kept cutting out as the load on the granny charger was too high.
So we got a lift back home, I grabbed the diesel ute, struggled to get it loaded it up with my 5kva diesel genny, and retraced our steps.
The bigger genny took about about 45 mins to get us enough to limp home, but only just.
Lesson learnt, highway driving decimates range. When in doubt, recharge.
As a secondary observation, a lot of the charging stations shown in plugshare are painfully slow, and the ones I have attended so far , do not charge at the max rate if all the stations are occupied.
So much to learn with running an EV , especially if you live in a regional area.
Mick

 

[qldfrog]

Yesterday we drove the BYD to visit children and grandchildren in the south eastern suburbs.
It was a there and back trip of about 440 kms.
Nominally, the BYD range of 420 kms means its quick charge short, but recent experience suggests that it would be significantly less than that, probably closer to 300 to 320 kms travelling with two on board at the 110km speed limit on the Hume freeway.
So while the rest of the family partied on, I made a quick 3 km detour to a local council parking area that had four charging slots, two with a cable, and two without cable. Only one was available for use, the other three all being occupied by Teslas. One was a Tesla Y model, and the owner gave me an enthusiastic tour of it. He did not seem at all interested in me returning the favour and showing him the BYD.
So, after about an hour, I had added about 10% of charge which i thought wold give me about a 40kms buffer up my sleeve for the return home.
My original thoughts were to drop into the Cooper street BP station, which nominally has 4 charging stations, but when I checked the Evie Ap, only one was working, and that one seemed to be frequently full, as it was when I drove past it on the way down , and the way back.
The fall back position was to detour about 15 kms to the maxi chargers in Avenel.
As we approached the decision point where I had to either detour to Avenel or continue the 70 odd kms to home, we still showed 34 kms of buffer, so i decided to just keep going - it was dark, raining, and two of the passengers wanted to watch the tennis on TV. Well that came back to bite me.
Around 12 kms from home , I got the " you need to charge right now" message, and we still had about 15 kms of range showing.
At the 6 km mark from home, the range suddenly plummeted to zero from the 10 kms that was showing.
In a couple of the test reviews from America for the Rivian and F250 Lightning, both of them had a reserve when it gets to 0 that gives another 12 to 15 kms of emergency, so I thought all would be well. Not so with the BYD.
It shifted itself to Neutral, and just stopped the engine and we coasted to a halt with the lights of the outskirts of town almost within spitting distance. A quick phone call, and a mate came to rescue us and bought a petrol driven generator with him.
Unfortunately, the 1.7 KVA genny kept cutting out as the load on the granny charger was too high.
So we got a lift back home, I grabbed the diesel ute, struggled to get it loaded it up with my 5kva diesel genny, and retraced our steps.
The bigger genny took about about 45 mins to get us enough to limp home, but only just.
Lesson learnt, highway driving decimates range. When in doubt, recharge.
As a secondary observation, a lot of the charging stations shown in plugshare are painfully slow, and the ones I have attended so far , do not charge at the max rate if all the stations are occupied.
So much to learn with running an EV , especially if you live in a regional area.
Mick

really appreciate the honesty and tech details.Good to have an objective opinion, especially for the techs on the BYD
Thanks.
Do you have proper hills near perth?
I actually wonder about the performance of the BYD in the sunshine coast hinterland: cruising along Montville Maleny and the coast: 500m elevation to sea level with a lot of down up mountain roads..

 

[JohnDe]

Yesterday we drove the BYD to visit children and grandchildren in the south eastern suburbs.
It was a there and back trip of about 440 kms.
Nominally, the BYD range of 420 kms means its quick charge short, but recent experience suggests that it would be significantly less than that, probably closer to 300 to 320 kms travelling with two on board at the 110km speed limit on the Hume freeway.
So while the rest of the family partied on, I made a quick 3 km detour to a local council parking area that had four charging slots, two with a cable, and two without cable. Only one was available for use, the other three all being occupied by Teslas. One was a Tesla Y model, and the owner gave me an enthusiastic tour of it. He did not seem at all interested in me returning the favour and showing him the BYD.
So, after about an hour, I had added about 10% of charge which i thought wold give me about a 40kms buffer up my sleeve for the return home.
My original thoughts were to drop into the Cooper street BP station, which nominally has 4 charging stations, but when I checked the Evie Ap, only one was working, and that one seemed to be frequently full, as it was when I drove past it on the way down , and the way back.
The fall back position was to detour about 15 kms to the maxi chargers in Avenel.
As we approached the decision point where I had to either detour to Avenel or continue the 70 odd kms to home, we still showed 34 kms of buffer, so i decided to just keep going - it was dark, raining, and two of the passengers wanted to watch the tennis on TV. Well that came back to bite me.
Around 12 kms from home , I got the " you need to charge right now" message, and we still had about 15 kms of range showing.
At the 6 km mark from home, the range suddenly plummeted to zero from the 10 kms that was showing.
In a couple of the test reviews from America for the Rivian and F250 Lightning, both of them had a reserve when it gets to 0 that gives another 12 to 15 kms of emergency, so I thought all would be well. Not so with the BYD.
It shifted itself to Neutral, and just stopped the engine and we coasted to a halt with the lights of the outskirts of town almost within spitting distance. A quick phone call, and a mate came to rescue us and bought a petrol driven generator with him.
Unfortunately, the 1.7 KVA genny kept cutting out as the load on the granny charger was too high.
So we got a lift back home, I grabbed the diesel ute, struggled to get it loaded it up with my 5kva diesel genny, and retraced our steps.
The bigger genny took about about 45 mins to get us enough to limp home, but only just.
Lesson learnt, highway driving decimates range. When in doubt, recharge.
As a secondary observation, a lot of the charging stations shown in plugshare are painfully slow, and the ones I have attended so far , do not charge at the max rate if all the stations are occupied.
So much to learn with running an EV , especially if you live in a regional area.
Mick

That's my worse EV nightmare, running out in the middle of nowhere.

10% top up in one hour is very poor, was the charging station only a 10A or 15A unit? If not, I would talk to the dealership.

EV ownership is definitely a learning curve.

When I started looking at EVs one of the main factors I required was to be able to travel long distances, because we enjoy traveling interstate and is why I chose a model with extended range. Since September we've been driving country miles every week, my wife has even done it on her own. All range anxiety has gone, even though there isn't much choice for charging stops where we go.

Some EVs have a better warning system than others. I posted a video of one test a while ago in this thread about 18 months ago - Flat out! We test 5 electric cars until they DIE | Australia EV Challenge


A more recent video tests 10 models -

 

[mullokintyre]

really appreciate the honesty and tech details.Good to have an objective opinion, especially for the techs on the BYD
Thanks.
Do you have proper hills near perth?
I actually wonder about the performance of the BYD in the sunshine coast hinterland: cruising along Montville Maleny and the coast: 500m elevation to sea level with a lot of down up mountain roads..

I don't live in Perth, so cannot say, but here in the Goulburn Valley, its as flat as my first girlfrinds chest.
Mick

 

[mullokintyre]

That's my worse EV nightmare, running out in the middle of nowhere.

10% top up in one hour is very poor, was the charging station only a 10A or 15A unit? If not, I would talk to the dealership.

Its not a function of the car, my very first charge at a public station where I was a the only car there, we got about 7.2 kw/hrs which was the advertised rate,.
The next time I tried to use it to show my daughter how to use one, the other stations were all occupied and the rate dropped down to a dismal 2.5.
From talking to the guys that installed our home charger, the biggest problem seems to be in the choice of installers.
A lot of the electricians do not seem to have had the training to understand the DC part of the charging in particular.
And some even skimp on the AC side of it because they issue the cheapest quotes, which often get accepted.
I might add that I have still not able to try out one of the DC fast chargers, thats next on the list.
Mick

 

[Value Collector]

Yesterday we drove the BYD to visit children and grandchildren in the south eastern suburbs.
It was a there and back trip of about 440 kms.
Nominally, the BYD range of 420 kms means its quick charge short, but recent experience suggests that it would be significantly less than that, probably closer to 300 to 320 kms travelling with two on board at the 110km speed limit on the Hume freeway.
So while the rest of the family partied on, I made a quick 3 km detour to a local council parking area that had four charging slots, two with a cable, and two without cable. Only one was available for use, the other three all being occupied by Teslas. One was a Tesla Y model, and the owner gave me an enthusiastic tour of it. He did not seem at all interested in me returning the favour and showing him the BYD.
So, after about an hour, I had added about 10% of charge which i thought wold give me about a 40kms buffer up my sleeve for the return home.
My original thoughts were to drop into the Cooper street BP station, which nominally has 4 charging stations, but when I checked the Evie Ap, only one was working, and that one seemed to be frequently full, as it was when I drove past it on the way down , and the way back.
The fall back position was to detour about 15 kms to the maxi chargers in Avenel.
As we approached the decision point where I had to either detour to Avenel or continue the 70 odd kms to home, we still showed 34 kms of buffer, so i decided to just keep going - it was dark, raining, and two of the passengers wanted to watch the tennis on TV. Well that came back to bite me.
Around 12 kms from home , I got the " you need to charge right now" message, and we still had about 15 kms of range showing.
At the 6 km mark from home, the range suddenly plummeted to zero from the 10 kms that was showing.
In a couple of the test reviews from America for the Rivian and F250 Lightning, both of them had a reserve when it gets to 0 that gives another 12 to 15 kms of emergency, so I thought all would be well. Not so with the BYD.
It shifted itself to Neutral, and just stopped the engine and we coasted to a halt with the lights of the outskirts of town almost within spitting distance. A quick phone call, and a mate came to rescue us and bought a petrol driven generator with him.
Unfortunately, the 1.7 KVA genny kept cutting out as the load on the granny charger was too high.
So we got a lift back home, I grabbed the diesel ute, struggled to get it loaded it up with my 5kva diesel genny, and retraced our steps.
The bigger genny took about about 45 mins to get us enough to limp home, but only just.
Lesson learnt, highway driving decimates range. When in doubt, recharge.
As a secondary observation, a lot of the charging stations shown in plugshare are painfully slow, and the ones I have attended so far , do not charge at the max rate if all the stations are occupied.
So much to learn with running an EV , especially if you live in a regional area.
Mick

Yep, it shows the Tesla super charging network still gives the company an incredible moat.

After touring the guys Model Y and thinking about Teslas chargers, do you think the price gap between the teslas and the competition might be worth it?

 

[Value Collector]

really appreciate the honesty and tech details.Good to have an objective opinion, especially for the techs on the BYD
Thanks.
Do you have proper hills near perth?
I actually wonder about the performance of the BYD in the sunshine coast hinterland: cruising along Montville Maleny and the coast: 500m elevation to sea level with a lot of down up mountain roads..

Not a problem at all (atleast with my experience in a Tesla) it will regen on the way down the hills. I drove from Brisbane to Maleny to Kenilworth to Maroochydore and back to Brisbane without charging, and my Tesla in 2019 model with the smaller battery.

If you by a Tesla you also have options for charging either direction you head on the Bruce Highway.

But if you leave Maleny with a full charge from you home, you can get to Brisbane and back and still have 50% charge.

 

[JohnDe]

Yep, it shows the Tesla super charging network still gives the company an incredible moat.

After touring the guys Model Y and thinking about Teslas chargers, do you think the price gap between the teslas and the competition might be worth it?

Yesterday I charged using a Tesla Gen 2 Wall Connector16A 3 Phase, installed 13 years ago. The M3LR battery was at 20% and I charged it to 90%, took about 3 hours to charge. I think that is very good, because the charger is in the complex that I park in and is free.

 

[mullokintyre]

Its not a function of the car, my very first charge at a public station where I was a the only car there, we got about 7.2 kw/hrs which was the advertised rate,.
The next time I tried to use it to show my daughter how to use one, the other stations were all occupied and the rate dropped down to a dismal 2.5.
From talking to the guys that installed our home charger, the biggest problem seems to be in the choice of installers.
A lot of the electricians do not seem to have had the training to understand the DC part of the charging in particular.
And some even skimp on the AC side of it because they issue the cheapest quotes, which often get accepted.
I might add that I have still not able to try out one of the DC fast chargers, thats next on the list.
Mick

Because I am in checking mode, I decided to drive about 30 kms to the nearest fast (relatively) charger.
It kinda highlights how folk in the regional areas are likely to face with charging.
How many city dwellers would drive 30kms to get to DC charger without causing world war 3?
The charger is in a council run public car park, where parking is free, but there are time limits.
There are two stations, one CCS, one Chademo, run by the Evie network, so was able to use my newly received RFID card without issue.
In one of the bays was parked a Diesel Prado, despite the signs on the pole next to them saying they were for electric vehicles when charging, and then only for 90 minutes at a time. There are also large green painted EV only wording on the roadway.
The unfortunet part of it is I recognised the vehicle as belonging to one of the local shopowners, so was reluctant to dob them in.
Fortunately for me, I was able to get into the other one and stretch the cable far enough to plug into the car.
It pumped out 50KW as advertised, so I only stayed an hour and got up to about 85%.
Worked seamlessly , so would have no problem jumping onto one again.
looking forward to finding one of these superfast DC chargers some time in the future.

 

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[mullokintyre]

Yep, it shows the Tesla super charging network still gives the company an incredible moat.

After touring the guys Model Y and thinking about Teslas chargers, do you think the price gap between the teslas and the competition might be worth it?

Well, given there are all these fantastic Tesla only superchargers, yesterday I was a bit peeved that at the council run chargers, there were 3 Teslas at the car park using up spaces that can be used by non teslas, but not the other way around.
Mick

 

[mullokintyre]

Yep, it shows the Tesla super charging network still gives the company an incredible moat.

After touring the guys Model Y and thinking about Teslas chargers, do you think the price gap between the teslas and the competition might be worth it?

I have no idea.
There are so many things that go into buying a car, and there are some things that are far more important to potential owner A as compared to potential owner B. I don't assume that every other potential buyer similar requirements to me.
Mick