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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    198
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What incentive, if any at all, is there for anyone to take part in this trial?
Fork out $10,000 plus installation costs for something that only works one one pure EV?
Why not just install a battery pack to do the same thing?
Does the owner have any control over when the output is taken from the car? be a bit awkward if you left your car plugged in with 60% battery and came out to find you were down to 20% but needed at leat 30 to do your trip.
I woiuld think that this study will struggle.
The subset of EV owners who fit the all criteria and are willing to fork out the 10k+ is minute.
Mick
 
Plus the fact your battery is getting cycled, how will that affect the longevity and indeed warranty? There is a lot of variable with the V2G issue IMO. V2H I can understand, it gives you a degree of control, but V2G I'm not as sure about.
 
A small problem that may scale up to a big problem.
From The Evil murdoch press
Way back in post #3781 i tried to introduce the concept of scalability and the issues surrounding it, but it kinda fell on deaf ears.
Scalability is a real problem, and the instances outlined above highlight just how the unintended consequences often rear their ugly heads when one tries to scale up a small form engineering solution.
The issue will not be going away anytime soon.
Mick
 
These are just growing pains, Tesla chargers scale up quite well, look at these monsters, c couple of these big charging locations between Sydney and Melbourne would solve the issue.

Or as you can see in the other photo in the USA Tesla has these mobile charging stations they can roll out for the holiday period to areas that need extra capacity.

 
Great that they built them in the USA.
But the problems are in Wodonga and Coffs harbour.
What has been built so afr has got to be scaled by a a couple of orders of magnitude or things will get even messier.
And notwithstanding what they have built in the USA, its going to create problems here in OZ.
They are going to need some serious industrial supply to run large scale numbers of fast DC chargers.
They are going to have to be sited close to some high voltage transmission lines.
As you drive up the Hume, notice where many of the existing servos are placed.
Often in more remote sections where space is not at a premium, but where a there is probably a 400V 3 phase supply.
Ya can't just stick these things anywhere.
Mick
 
It’s just a simple supply following demand thing, they will build more supply as demand grows, of course there will be teething issues around peak demand holiday time for a little while though.

As for having the electricity supply, the way they do it in the USA is to have the charging station backed up by batteries, so all 40 chargers can run at peak capacity by taking the available supply off the grid, supplemented by batteries and solar.

If there is enough electricity supply to run a service station, you can run a charging station that has batteries integrated.
 
You can, as they do already, huge diesel generators so that the wxnkers can feel good driving EV to save the planet.
Does anyone remember the scam of the fluo bulbs, the government incentives etc etc
Results:
So called longuer life of these bulbs was never achieved, we switched on and staid in darkness for 3 minutes, and our dumps and air got an extra does of mercury? Or is it cyanide? Forgot.but highly dangerous when broken..with no recycling in place.
I still intend to get an ev as soon as we move in the final house, but no illusion:
The EVs move is the fluo bulb of 2022, coupled with social engineering and removal of one of the basic human freedom: freedom of movement
 
What are you talking about?
I didn’t see any diesel generators at those Tesla locations, only solar panels, batteries and a grid connection.

However, if a remote charging station did have a back up diesel generator that backed up the solar and batteries. that would still reduce the need for diesel by a lot.

Remember something doesn’t have to be perfect to be better.
 
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In marketing parlance, there are three types of market.
1. The early adoptees -the disciples of a product. Go out to all and sundry singing its praises, will brook no wrong.
2. the risk takers - this group are willing to take a risk on a product, believing the bnefit will outweigh the risk.
3. Everyone else.
The marketeers don't really have to market to the first two groups, these two groups will do the marketing for them.
Its that third group, by far the biggest, that the marketeers have to convince.
We have generally filled the needs of the first two groups in terms of EV's.
The rest will be somewhat harder.
There will be price points to be overcome, fears, both justified and unfounded to be overcome, as well as inherent biases to be overcome.

Mick
 
Small amount? It’s not 2019 anymore they are every where you look in Brisbane now.

With the model 3 being leased over 3 years ago now in australia, many people that replace their cars every 2-3 years especially those that lease will be due to swap their cars out, especially because a lot of people are upgrading to the model y now.

 
What marketing do Tesla do? Do you ever see a Tesla advert any where? They don’t really market at all, yet their sales keep growing, what does that say?
 
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Do you ever see a Tesla ad any where? They don’t really market at all, yet their sales keep growing, what does that say?
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it tells me that there are more than a few people in group 1 (without trying to be rude, i would count you in that group), there are plenty more in the second group (I count myself as one of them, though I bought a BYD rather than a Tesla ) who may still have their orders in.
Mick
 
There aren't all that many really, even given 2020 figures.

Teslas by postcode: Where EVs are most popular in Australia - EV Central

Teslas are popular in NSW and Queensland, but it's Canberra that has more of the Californian-made EVs than anywhere else. As for Victoria...
evcentral.com.au

You probably notice them more because you have one.

I only saw < 5 in Melbourne.
 
I was in Melbourne recently and I think I saw more than 5 in the time it took me to eat a Daniels Donut walking down Collins st, Hahaha.

Maybe you aren’t noticing them all.
 
Group 1 and 2 must be huge if it’s allowing them to outsell Toyota passenger cars, even though they are more expensive and don’t advertise.

I am probably in group 1, I openly told friends and family 15years ago I wouldn’t replace my old 1997 VT commodore until an electric car was available and that was before Tesla was even a thing.

But I have had lots of people who you would consider to be group 3 ride in my car, and they love it, and have all said if it wasn’t for price they would get one.

The benefits to the mainstream consumer are huge, this is what will drive sales.
 
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Group 1 and 2 must be huge if it’s allowing them to outsell Toyota passenger cars, even though they are more expensive and don’t advertise.
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Group 1 and 2 fit into the top end of the market - they tend to be wealthy enough to buy what they want, when they want.
Nothwithstanding that, from performance Drive comes the November sales figures from VFACTS.

The humble Toyota corrolla outsold the tesla Model Y by about 3 to 1.
One has to assume from this that the Model 3 sales were less than 1805.
I am not sure where you got the figures for the comparison of the Mdel 3's versus Camrys. perhaps it was another month.
But from the same article quoting the VFACTS sales,

At least for November, there were nearly twice as many Camry's sold as Model 3's.
Mick
 

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