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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%

  • Total voters
    198
You have to understand a bit about EV charging and how owners use and charge EVs before coming to opinions about them.

Ev’s like Teslas can take enough charge at a fast charger in 15 mins to get them to about 80% or enough to do about 3 hours or driving.

But, most EV owners charge at home and begin the day with a full battery, so never end up having to use public fast chargers on the regular.

If they do find themselves needing a charge after driving around all day, they might only have to charge as little as 3 or 4 mins to get enough charge to get how where they will complete a full charge.

Also, given that they start the day with around 400km of range, and a 15 min charge will give them another 300km, they can drive 700km with only needing to break for 15mins (and who doesn’t stop for 15mins during a 700km drive anyway?)

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So don’t get wrapped around the axels when it comes to charging, as I said most will be done at home overnight, you won’t need to worry about visiting public chargers often.

I know because you are used to driving petrol and diesels you are in the routine of constantly visiting petrol stations, but that is not what driving an EV is like.
 
Was it the culture? Hubris? sunk cost fallacy or what???.... why did it take Toyota so long????
To the guy's at the head of that company ... Seppuku is not the answer, but speeding in the transition is....

 
Yeah, you would have thought we would have had full electric Priuses by now.
 
@sptrawler I know you have been interested in battery materials in the past, at the 6 min mark of this video they discuss some of the latest announcements involving Teslas battery production ramp up and battery materials are mentioned. (they do plan on ramping up the stationary battery devision, I am guessing that will consume a lot of the Iron based batteries)

These guys do great video for people interested in keeping up with EV news.

 
Friday I had the chance to test drive a BYD atto3.
The range of these is not as good as I would have liked, but I thought we should evaluate it anyway.
First impressions were good.
I got in and drove it without having to be schooled on regen braking, sports/v econo/v standard mode.
Did not seem that much different to the CX5 I drove down to Melbourne to do the test drive.
Drove over a couple of speed bumps in in the suburban streets, and the ride is soft enough.
Even with the sports mode engaged, its not as quick as the Tesla I drove a few years ago, and not like the polestar or Volvo, especially on takeoff.
The hold function caught me out in traffic on a small hill, as it took me about 10 seconds to get it off.
The interior was spacious, especially in the rear, and was better than I expected.
Some of the gimicky things like the banjo strings on the door pockets a, the weird door openers and the gambling chips used as vent air directors I can take or leave.
The thing that I did not like was the crappy tyres. They are noisy ,,and when i planted the foot in the wet, the rear end seemed to want to skip a bit sideways.
Its not as good as the polestar or the volvo that my wife likes, but neither of them are a $30,00 better car.
But i did think that it was better than the MG and Niro that i drove.
The most important part was that my less than agile body had a relatively easy time of getting in and out.
The longer wheelbase compared to its competitors the MG and the Kona hopefully means there will be less pitching on some of our less than great country roads.
The part that surprised me was the V2L capabilities, thought he charming young lady who showed me through it and superivsed my test driving was sure what amperage you could draw through it, and looking at the cheesy multiplug that comes with it, will not let you run a coffee machine through it, but it does at least have it.
Dissapointing was the lack of apple carplay , along with not having a in car navigation system, which its rivals have.
The young lady assured that this is coming in a wifi update, but given she did not now who the sim provider was and whether it would work outside of the city areas, I was not completely filled with confidence.
Had the easy fix childs car seat attachment points, which is important to use for the grandkids. They did not bother putting three sets of attachment points in the rear and pretend you can fit three car seats across, which is not possible unless you have something the size of bus.
The camera system was brilliant, which it needs to be because the rear vision via the mirror is pretty ordinary.
The C pillars are chunky, and the rear seats restrict rear vision via the mirror.
They offered me a pretty good trade in on the Cx5, which made the changeover value at less than 20k.
So it becomes a pretty compelling deal.
We may consider using the diesel ranger for longer trips, and the BYD for shorter stuff, should we buy it.
Mick
 
Thanks for the review,so far this is the only ev i would even consider.
 
European Union bans sale of petrol and diesel cars from 2035 to boost electric vehicle uptake

The European Union has struck a deal on a law to effectively ban the sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2035, aiming to speed up the switch to electric vehicles and combat climate change.

Key points:​

  • The agreement makes it impossible to sell new fossil fuel-powered vehicles in the EU​
  • The deal also includes a 55 per cent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars sold from 2030 versus 2021 levels​
  • Volkswagen signals it will only produce electric vehicles in Europe from 2033​
Small car makers producing less than 10,000 vehicles per year can negotiate weaker targets until 2036, when they would face the zero-emission requirement.
 
I should also point out that the price of the BYD is almost identical in price to the new CX5 that my wife was considering, with pretty much the same features, minus the in car navigation and car play.
Mick
 
Delivery delay -

 
One of the big features of electric cars is dramatically reducing air pollution from millions of cars and trucks.
Delhi holds one of the records for air pollution world wide courtesy of... well everything really..

However one bright spark has come up with a invention to save the health of motor cyclists (on their ICE wheels ?) from choking on stupendous levels of pollution.

India's state-funded motorcycle helmet promises 'fresh air' for riders in battle on winter smog

Posted Mon 29 Aug 2022 at 1:57pmMonday 29 Aug 2022 at 1:57pm

Cars and motorcycles drive through heavy smog in New Delhi. India was home to 35 of the world's 50 most polluted cities in 2021.(Reuters: Anushree Fadnavis)
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As India's capital of New Delhi prepares for winter — and the accompanying season of acrid smog — the government is promoting a motorcycle helmet fitted with filters and a fan at the back that it says can remove 80 per cent of pollutants for the person breathing inside.

Key points:​

  • India's government is backing a motorcycle helmet fitted with air filters and a fan for riders affected by the country's heavy smog
  • India's cities are among the most heavily polluted in the world, with New Delhi's air at its worst from mid-December to February
  • The maker of the helmet is focusing on producing a lighter, cheaper version to make it accessible to the mass market

State agencies have pumped thousands of dollars into Shellios Technolabs, a start-up whose founder, Amit Pathak, began work on the helmet in a basement in 2016.

That was the year of the first headlines about the filthy air that makes New Delhi nearly unbreathable from mid-December to February, as the heavy cold traps dust, vehicle emissions and smoke from burning crop waste in nearby states.

"Inside a home or office, you could have an air purifier," said Mr Pathak, an electrical engineer.
"But the guys on the bike, they have no protection at all."

So his company designed a helmet with an air purification unit, fitted with a replaceable filter membrane and a fan powered by a battery that runs for six hours and can be charged through a Micro USB slot.

 

And noise pollution is also sorted.
 
I mentioned this happening in the UK and Europe in another post or thread not long ago, looks like were caching up fast.

 
Its only two years late, but tesla finally says it will start production of its Cybertruck in mid 2023.
From Rueters
The problem is, unlike with the Model X, model s , model 3 Tesla has some stiff compettion.
Rivian, although small in numbers, will have been delivering trucks for two years before Tesla starts.
The F150 ligtening will be producing 150,000 trucks a year before then, plus there is the wanky electric hummer, the GMC Sierra and silverado, both of which will be in production before the tesla.
At least it will beat to the market the other biggie, the RAM trucks will not be starting deliveries until 2024 (see Drive.com ).
All of those trucks have big followings in the US market, and to some extent here in OZ, although none of them have committed to bringing a RHD version to OZ (yet?).
Mick
 
A very comprehensive report by Sam, and I think he was very even handed.
We have progressed to sending off details to BYD, but have told them will not give them any money until they guarantee delivery.
My wife pointed out some posts on FB where people have paid money, arranged insurance, can see the car registered in their names on the state registration web sites, but are still waiting for physical delivery of the car.
One guy even said that because his was leased, the finance company had paid for the vehicle, but could not start taking payments until delivery.
Wonder how long that one will last!
BYD in China may have to rethink their relationship with EV Direct, which seems to be the main culprit in this, but maybe its just teething problems.
We also still have the Volvo on order, one of them will be cancelled, just depends which one can deliver.
Mick
 
 
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