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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.8%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.6%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 37 18.8%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.7%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%

  • Total voters
    197
The gov decides to build charging stations recharging cars in 15min..just have to find the cars which can ......
So easy to govern...
"I have decided to fund a staircase to the moon and develop the perpetual engine, we got the blueprint from the web..."
You have to understand a bit about EV charging and how owners use and charge EVs before coming to opinions about them.

Ev’s like Teslas can take enough charge at a fast charger in 15 mins to get them to about 80% or enough to do about 3 hours or driving.

But, most EV owners charge at home and begin the day with a full battery, so never end up having to use public fast chargers on the regular.

If they do find themselves needing a charge after driving around all day, they might only have to charge as little as 3 or 4 mins to get enough charge to get how where they will complete a full charge.

Also, given that they start the day with around 400km of range, and a 15 min charge will give them another 300km, they can drive 700km with only needing to break for 15mins (and who doesn’t stop for 15mins during a 700km drive anyway?)

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So don’t get wrapped around the axels when it comes to charging, as I said most will be done at home overnight, you won’t need to worry about visiting public chargers often.

I know because you are used to driving petrol and diesels you are in the routine of constantly visiting petrol stations, but that is not what driving an EV is like.
 
Was it the culture? Hubris? sunk cost fallacy or what???.... why did it take Toyota so long????
To the guy's at the head of that company ... Seppuku is not the answer, but speeding in the transition is....

 
Was it the culture? Hubris? sunk cost fallacy or what???.... why did it take Toyota so long????
To the guy's at the head of that company ... Seppuku is not the answer, but speeding in the transition is....

Yeah, you would have thought we would have had full electric Priuses by now.
 
@sptrawler I know you have been interested in battery materials in the past, at the 6 min mark of this video they discuss some of the latest announcements involving Teslas battery production ramp up and battery materials are mentioned. (they do plan on ramping up the stationary battery devision, I am guessing that will consume a lot of the Iron based batteries)

These guys do great video for people interested in keeping up with EV news.

 
Friday I had the chance to test drive a BYD atto3.
The range of these is not as good as I would have liked, but I thought we should evaluate it anyway.
First impressions were good.
I got in and drove it without having to be schooled on regen braking, sports/v econo/v standard mode.
Did not seem that much different to the CX5 I drove down to Melbourne to do the test drive.
Drove over a couple of speed bumps in in the suburban streets, and the ride is soft enough.
Even with the sports mode engaged, its not as quick as the Tesla I drove a few years ago, and not like the polestar or Volvo, especially on takeoff.
The hold function caught me out in traffic on a small hill, as it took me about 10 seconds to get it off.
The interior was spacious, especially in the rear, and was better than I expected.
Some of the gimicky things like the banjo strings on the door pockets a, the weird door openers and the gambling chips used as vent air directors I can take or leave.
The thing that I did not like was the crappy tyres. They are noisy ,,and when i planted the foot in the wet, the rear end seemed to want to skip a bit sideways.
Its not as good as the polestar or the volvo that my wife likes, but neither of them are a $30,00 better car.
But i did think that it was better than the MG and Niro that i drove.
The most important part was that my less than agile body had a relatively easy time of getting in and out.
The longer wheelbase compared to its competitors the MG and the Kona hopefully means there will be less pitching on some of our less than great country roads.
The part that surprised me was the V2L capabilities, thought he charming young lady who showed me through it and superivsed my test driving was sure what amperage you could draw through it, and looking at the cheesy multiplug that comes with it, will not let you run a coffee machine through it, but it does at least have it.
Dissapointing was the lack of apple carplay , along with not having a in car navigation system, which its rivals have.
The young lady assured that this is coming in a wifi update, but given she did not now who the sim provider was and whether it would work outside of the city areas, I was not completely filled with confidence.
Had the easy fix childs car seat attachment points, which is important to use for the grandkids. They did not bother putting three sets of attachment points in the rear and pretend you can fit three car seats across, which is not possible unless you have something the size of bus.
The camera system was brilliant, which it needs to be because the rear vision via the mirror is pretty ordinary.
The C pillars are chunky, and the rear seats restrict rear vision via the mirror.
They offered me a pretty good trade in on the Cx5, which made the changeover value at less than 20k.
So it becomes a pretty compelling deal.
We may consider using the diesel ranger for longer trips, and the BYD for shorter stuff, should we buy it.
Mick
 
Friday I had the chance to test drive a BYD atto3.
The range of these is not as good as I would have liked, but I thought we should evaluate it anyway.
First impressions were good.
I got in and drove it without having to be schooled on regen braking, sports/v econo/v standard mode.
Did not seem that much different to the CX5 I drove down to Melbourne to do the test drive.
Drove over a couple of speed bumps in in the suburban streets, and the ride is soft enough.
Even with the sports mode engaged, its not as quick as the Tesla I drove a few years ago, and not like the polestar or Volvo, especially on takeoff.
The hold function caught me out in traffic on a small hill, as it took me about 10 seconds to get it off.
The interior was spacious, especially in the rear, and was better than I expected.
Some of the gimicky things like the banjo strings on the door pockets a, the weird door openers and the gambling chips used as vent air directors I can take or leave.
The thing that I did not like was the crappy tyres. They are noisy ,,and when i planted the foot in the wet, the rear end seemed to want to skip a bit sideways.
Its not as good as the polestar or the volvo that my wife likes, but neither of them are a $30,00 better car.
But i did think that it was better than the MG and Niro that i drove.
The most important part was that my less than agile body had a relatively easy time of getting in and out.
The longer wheelbase compared to its competitors the MG and the Kona hopefully means there will be less pitching on some of our less than great country roads.
The part that surprised me was the V2L capabilities, thought he charming young lady who showed me through it and superivsed my test driving was sure what amperage you could draw through it, and looking at the cheesy multiplug that comes with it, will not let you run a coffee machine through it, but it does at least have it.
Dissapointing was the lack of apple carplay , along with not having a in car navigation system, which its rivals have.
The young lady assured that this is coming in a wifi update, but given she did not now who the sim provider was and whether it would work outside of the city areas, I was not completely filled with confidence.
Had the easy fix childs car seat attachment points, which is important to use for the grandkids. They did not bother putting three sets of attachment points in the rear and pretend you can fit three car seats across, which is not possible unless you have something the size of bus.
The camera system was brilliant, which it needs to be because the rear vision via the mirror is pretty ordinary.
The C pillars are chunky, and the rear seats restrict rear vision via the mirror.
They offered me a pretty good trade in on the Cx5, which made the changeover value at less than 20k.
So it becomes a pretty compelling deal.
We may consider using the diesel ranger for longer trips, and the BYD for shorter stuff, should we buy it.
Mick
Thanks for the review,so far this is the only ev i would even consider.
 
European Union bans sale of petrol and diesel cars from 2035 to boost electric vehicle uptake

The European Union has struck a deal on a law to effectively ban the sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2035, aiming to speed up the switch to electric vehicles and combat climate change.

Key points:​

  • The agreement makes it impossible to sell new fossil fuel-powered vehicles in the EU​
  • The deal also includes a 55 per cent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars sold from 2030 versus 2021 levels​
  • Volkswagen signals it will only produce electric vehicles in Europe from 2033​
Small car makers producing less than 10,000 vehicles per year can negotiate weaker targets until 2036, when they would face the zero-emission requirement.
 
Friday I had the chance to test drive a BYD atto3.
The range of these is not as good as I would have liked, but I thought we should evaluate it anyway.
First impressions were good.
I got in and drove it without having to be schooled on regen braking, sports/v econo/v standard mode.
Did not seem that much different to the CX5 I drove down to Melbourne to do the test drive.
Drove over a couple of speed bumps in in the suburban streets, and the ride is soft enough.
Even with the sports mode engaged, its not as quick as the Tesla I drove a few years ago, and not like the polestar or Volvo, especially on takeoff.
The hold function caught me out in traffic on a small hill, as it took me about 10 seconds to get it off.
The interior was spacious, especially in the rear, and was better than I expected.
Some of the gimicky things like the banjo strings on the door pockets a, the weird door openers and the gambling chips used as vent air directors I can take or leave.
The thing that I did not like was the crappy tyres. They are noisy ,,and when i planted the foot in the wet, the rear end seemed to want to skip a bit sideways.
Its not as good as the polestar or the volvo that my wife likes, but neither of them are a $30,00 better car.
But i did think that it was better than the MG and Niro that i drove.
The most important part was that my less than agile body had a relatively easy time of getting in and out.
The longer wheelbase compared to its competitors the MG and the Kona hopefully means there will be less pitching on some of our less than great country roads.
The part that surprised me was the V2L capabilities, thought he charming young lady who showed me through it and superivsed my test driving was sure what amperage you could draw through it, and looking at the cheesy multiplug that comes with it, will not let you run a coffee machine through it, but it does at least have it.
Dissapointing was the lack of apple carplay , along with not having a in car navigation system, which its rivals have.
The young lady assured that this is coming in a wifi update, but given she did not now who the sim provider was and whether it would work outside of the city areas, I was not completely filled with confidence.
Had the easy fix childs car seat attachment points, which is important to use for the grandkids. They did not bother putting three sets of attachment points in the rear and pretend you can fit three car seats across, which is not possible unless you have something the size of bus.
The camera system was brilliant, which it needs to be because the rear vision via the mirror is pretty ordinary.
The C pillars are chunky, and the rear seats restrict rear vision via the mirror.
They offered me a pretty good trade in on the Cx5, which made the changeover value at less than 20k.
So it becomes a pretty compelling deal.
We may consider using the diesel ranger for longer trips, and the BYD for shorter stuff, should we buy it.
Mick
I should also point out that the price of the BYD is almost identical in price to the new CX5 that my wife was considering, with pretty much the same features, minus the in car navigation and car play.
Mick
 
Delivery delay -

BYD Atto 3 stop-delivery notice extended for another week

Deliveries of the BYD Atto 3 electric car from China have been paused for another week while the company addresses vehicle compliance concerns with Australian regulators.

Australian customers waiting for their new BYD Atto 3 electric car are becoming increasingly frustrated over extended delays while the local distributor addresses compliance concerns with federal regulators.

A fortnight after the distributor for BYD in Australia attempted to take legal action preventing publications such as Drive from reporting on concerns over the compliance of the new Chinese electric car, the local distributor is yet to rectify all affected vehicles – or issue a statement to media.

Last week, the distributor of BYD cars in Australia advised customers of a seven-day 'stop delivery' notice.

Yesterday, a new seven-day 'stop delivery' notice was issued – to come into effect from today's date (28 October) – extending the pause in vehicle handovers to a 14-day period.
A notice to customers issued yesterday said in part: "BYD Automotive advise (sic) that we will be pausing deliveries of the Atto 3 for a further seven days commencing 28 October, 2022.
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"BYD together with our distributor EVDirect have been actively working with the relevant (federal regulator) to resolve a technical matter.

"With the full support of BYD China, all requested information is being prepared for submission to the (federal regulator). Whilst we are confident of a resolution, we will continue to respect and co-operate with the department to ensure a swift resolution.

"We apologise for any inconvenience caused to our customers and look forward to recommencing deliveries as soon as
possible."

It remains unclear when or if BYD Atto 3 vehicles already in customer hands will be recalled to have the same compliance issue addressed.

As reported exclusively by Drive two weeks ago, the BYD Atto 3 electric car from China was found to have breached Australian motor vehicle compliance regulations related to the child seat anchor point in the middle back-seat position.

The issue was unearthed after the Australasian New Car Assessment Program (ANCAP) withheld its five-star safety result for Australia – pending a review by the federal regulator of the vehicle's compliance.

It is not uncommon for federal regulators to compel car companies to stop deliveries – and issue recalls – for motor vehicles that do not comply with Australian Design Rules.

However, it remains unclear exactly what action BYD intends to take as deliveries remain on hold in Australia.

Some customers are frustrated because they have settled finance and insurance arrangements for their new BYD Atto 3 – and/or sold their previous car – but BYD is not allowed to release the vehicles until any compliance issues are addressed.
 
One of the big features of electric cars is dramatically reducing air pollution from millions of cars and trucks.
Delhi holds one of the records for air pollution world wide courtesy of... well everything really..

However one bright spark has come up with a invention to save the health of motor cyclists (on their ICE wheels ?) from choking on stupendous levels of pollution.

India's state-funded motorcycle helmet promises 'fresh air' for riders in battle on winter smog

Posted Mon 29 Aug 2022 at 1:57pmMonday 29 Aug 2022 at 1:57pm
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Cars and motorcycles drive through heavy smog in New Delhi. India was home to 35 of the world's 50 most polluted cities in 2021.(Reuters: Anushree Fadnavis)
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As India's capital of New Delhi prepares for winter — and the accompanying season of acrid smog — the government is promoting a motorcycle helmet fitted with filters and a fan at the back that it says can remove 80 per cent of pollutants for the person breathing inside.

Key points:​

  • India's government is backing a motorcycle helmet fitted with air filters and a fan for riders affected by the country's heavy smog
  • India's cities are among the most heavily polluted in the world, with New Delhi's air at its worst from mid-December to February
  • The maker of the helmet is focusing on producing a lighter, cheaper version to make it accessible to the mass market

State agencies have pumped thousands of dollars into Shellios Technolabs, a start-up whose founder, Amit Pathak, began work on the helmet in a basement in 2016.

That was the year of the first headlines about the filthy air that makes New Delhi nearly unbreathable from mid-December to February, as the heavy cold traps dust, vehicle emissions and smoke from burning crop waste in nearby states.

"Inside a home or office, you could have an air purifier," said Mr Pathak, an electrical engineer.
"But the guys on the bike, they have no protection at all."

So his company designed a helmet with an air purification unit, fitted with a replaceable filter membrane and a fan powered by a battery that runs for six hours and can be charged through a Micro USB slot.

 
One of the big features of electric cars is dramatically reducing air pollution from millions of cars and trucks.
Delhi holds one of the records for air pollution world wide courtesy of... well everything really..

However one bright spark has come up with a invention to save the health of motor cyclists (on their ICE wheels ?) from choking on stupendous levels of pollution.

India's state-funded motorcycle helmet promises 'fresh air' for riders in battle on winter smog

Posted Mon 29 Aug 2022 at 1:57pmMonday 29 Aug 2022 at 1:57pm
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Cars and motorcycles drive through heavy smog in New Delhi. India was home to 35 of the world's 50 most polluted cities in 2021.(Reuters: Anushree Fadnavis)
Help keep family & friends informed by sharing this article

As India's capital of New Delhi prepares for winter — and the accompanying season of acrid smog — the government is promoting a motorcycle helmet fitted with filters and a fan at the back that it says can remove 80 per cent of pollutants for the person breathing inside.

Key points:​

  • India's government is backing a motorcycle helmet fitted with air filters and a fan for riders affected by the country's heavy smog
  • India's cities are among the most heavily polluted in the world, with New Delhi's air at its worst from mid-December to February
  • The maker of the helmet is focusing on producing a lighter, cheaper version to make it accessible to the mass market

State agencies have pumped thousands of dollars into Shellios Technolabs, a start-up whose founder, Amit Pathak, began work on the helmet in a basement in 2016.

That was the year of the first headlines about the filthy air that makes New Delhi nearly unbreathable from mid-December to February, as the heavy cold traps dust, vehicle emissions and smoke from burning crop waste in nearby states.

"Inside a home or office, you could have an air purifier," said Mr Pathak, an electrical engineer.
"But the guys on the bike, they have no protection at all."

So his company designed a helmet with an air purification unit, fitted with a replaceable filter membrane and a fan powered by a battery that runs for six hours and can be charged through a Micro USB slot.


And noise pollution is also sorted.
 
I mentioned this happening in the UK and Europe in another post or thread not long ago, looks like were caching up fast.

Want an electric car but can't charge it? A private kerb-side trial could be the solution

Brent Johnston is one of a growing number of Australians looking to purchase an electric car and coming up against the same problem.

"We have nowhere to charge it," he said.

He lives in Melbourne's inner north in a house with no garage or off-street parking.

"You can't run a charging cable from your house out to the walkway or you'll end up tripping people, or people will start charging off your charging station for free," he said.

So he's renovating and creating rear-access to his home to allow an electric vehicle charger to be installed.

"We are going to demolish the whole back fence and outbuilding and rebuild the whole back wall," he said.

It's an expensive solution to a growing problem.

While there are some shared public charging options nearby, plus the promise of more charging infrastructure in the most recent federal budget, some prospective electric vehicle (EV) owners like Mr Johnston want the option of charging in their own homes.

He said relying on public infrastructure would only work when the number of EV drivers was relatively small.

"But imagine when it's 50 per cent," he said.

'We thought about moving house'
On the other side of Melbourne, Kevin and Karen wanted an EV but were coming up against the same problem.

"We thought about moving house, but we really didn't want to have to do that just to get an electric vehicle," Kevin said.

Luckily, they've been offered an alternate solution.

Port Phillip Council has kicked off a trial in partnership with Melbourne company Kerb Charge, which has invented a personal EV charger that can be installed on the footpath.

Kevin and Karen are the first owners of a Kerb Charge unit in Australia and spoke to the ABC at the launch of the council's trial.

Their home's power is sunk under the footpath and connected to the flood-proof, stainless steel unit that sits flat with the surface of the footpath when not in use.

Inventor of the unit and CEO of Melbourne-based company Kerb Charge, Rod Walker, described the unit as an "elaborate extension cord".

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Rod Walker demonstrates his invention on a City of Port Phillip street.(ABC News: Kate Ashton)
At Kevin and Karen's place in Albert Park, the charger has been installed next to the on-street park out the front of their house on council land.

They are not guaranteed to get that exact park, but the couple reckon they get it often enough that they will be able to regularly charge their new Tesla once it arrives next month.

City of Port Phillip Mayor Marcus Pearl said the council had made every effort to manage the red tape of installing the EV charger on public land, which he said was mainly a council responsibility.

"It's all about council and government moving out of the way to ensure that we can install infrastructure that our residents are demanding at the moment, which is a good thing," he said.

The unit is not public infrastructure. It — and the power — is paid for by the residents and intended to be used by those who bought it.

The cost is around $6,000 including installation, $124 for the permit from the council to install it, plus an ongoing annual fee of $100.

It is locked with a key and has an alarm if someone tries to interfere with it while a car is charging — a deterrent Karen refers to as a "scream".

The City of Port Phillip estimates it will install 10 chargers as part of the trial.

Australian electric vehicle ownership jumps by 26,000 cars in nine months​

EV ownership is rising rapidly across the country, with now more than 70,000 electric vehicles in Australia, according to the Electric Vehicle Council.

More than 26,000 of them were sold between January and September this year.

In Victoria, the Department of Transport reports the number of registered EVs has more than doubled in the last 15 months, from about 7,000 in July 2021 to nearly 15,400 at the end of October 2022.

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The chargers are connected to homes' power supply.(ABC News: Kate Ashton)
The Electric Vehicle Council said while any extra charging infrastructure was a good thing, the early focus should be a collaborative government approach to build more public charging stations.

"That would be the most efficient approach," said Jake Whitehead, head of policy at the Electric Vehicle Council.

It would also mean better access for charging for people who are renting or live in apartments, where retrofitting personal EV chargers can be time-consuming, costly or in some cases impossible.

"We want to ensure that every Australian household and business can get access to an electric vehicle and importantly … including people who rent and that don't necessarily want to invest in a charger in their home," Dr Whitehead said.

The Kerb Charger trial is a bit late for Mr Johnston, who has already spent more than a year planning the renovation of his home and plans to start construction at the end of this year.

But he still thinks the renovation was the best solution for him and he will eventually recoup some savings on petrol costs once he starts driving an EV.

He was also hopeful that by the time his renovation was completed electric vehicles would become more affordable.

A spokesperson for Mr Johnston's local council, City of Yarra, said it was closely following the Port Phillip kerbside EV charger trial "to determine the best way to further support our community's take-up of electric vehicles".
 
Its only two years late, but tesla finally says it will start production of its Cybertruck in mid 2023.
From Rueters
Tesla said last month it was working on readying its Austin, Texas, plant to build the new model with “early production” set to start in the middle of 2023. “We’re in the final lap for Cybertruck,” Musk told a conference call with financial analysts.A gradual ramp in the second half of next year to full output for the sharp-angled electric truck would mean that Tesla would not be recording revenue until early 2024 for a full-quarter of production on a new model expected as key to its growth.
The problem is, unlike with the Model X, model s , model 3 Tesla has some stiff compettion.
Rivian, although small in numbers, will have been delivering trucks for two years before Tesla starts.
The F150 ligtening will be producing 150,000 trucks a year before then, plus there is the wanky electric hummer, the GMC Sierra and silverado, both of which will be in production before the tesla.
At least it will beat to the market the other biggie, the RAM trucks will not be starting deliveries until 2024 (see Drive.com ).
All of those trucks have big followings in the US market, and to some extent here in OZ, although none of them have committed to bringing a RHD version to OZ (yet?).
Mick
 

A very comprehensive report by Sam, and I think he was very even handed.
We have progressed to sending off details to BYD, but have told them will not give them any money until they guarantee delivery.
My wife pointed out some posts on FB where people have paid money, arranged insurance, can see the car registered in their names on the state registration web sites, but are still waiting for physical delivery of the car.
One guy even said that because his was leased, the finance company had paid for the vehicle, but could not start taking payments until delivery.
Wonder how long that one will last!
BYD in China may have to rethink their relationship with EV Direct, which seems to be the main culprit in this, but maybe its just teething problems.
We also still have the Volvo on order, one of them will be cancelled, just depends which one can deliver.
Mick
 
Volvo pulls plug early on petrol cars for Australia

Volvo says it will stop selling petrol vehicles in Australia by 2026 – four years before its global all-electric deadline – with the carmaker calling internal combustion engine production a “shrinking business”.

Volvo’s Australian deadline will come four years before its worldwide target to transition to electric vehicles, and comes one week after it launched its first electric car in Australia.

Experts said the move showed Australia still had the potential to be “a world leader in the transition to electric vehicles” despite low take-up to date.

Volvo Car Australia managing director Stephen Connor made the surprise announcement on Thursday, revealing the car maker would switch to all electric vehicles by 2026 to give it a “strategic advantage” in the Australian market.

“There is no long-term future for cars with an internal combustion engine. So instead of investing in a shrinking business we choose to invest in the future, which is fully electric,” he said.

“Globally, Volvo is firmly committed to becoming an electric-only car maker by 2030 but in Australia we will make the transition happen by 2026.

“The earlier deadline will allow us to meet the expectations of our Australian customers and be a part of the solution when it comes to fighting climate change.”

Connor said the car marker expected electric vehicles to make up 80 per cent of its Australian car sales by 2025, making “converting the last 20 per cent of our customers” its challenge.

“I am very confident we can achieve this and even go beyond to achieve our aspiration of selling 20,000 fully electric cars every year in Australia,” he said.

-with AAP

Volvo is the fifth-biggest selling premium car brand in Australia, with Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries figures showing the company’s sales rose 63 per cent in September.

Volvo launched its first dedicated electric vehicle in Australia last week, the C40 Recharge, but has previously announced plans to launch four new electric cars and SUVs in Australia by 2024.

Electric Vehicle Council chief executive Behyad Jafari said Volvo’s “remarkable” commitment showed car makers were starting to see potential for electric vehicle growth in the country.

“Australia has been slow out of the blocks but this announcement from Volvo shows we still have the potential to be a world leader in the transition to electric vehicles,” he said.
 
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