Electric cars?

[mullokintyre]

Being in the middle of the the Goulburn Valley region where floods have been foremost in peoples minds these past few weeks, i thought it interesting to look at what happens in the aftermath of major floods to the electric vehicles.
The recent hurricane in Florida which caused widespread flooding gave us n insight to what might happen to EV's when they become water logged.

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Not all of them will spontaneously combust , but there have been enought to worry the local fire Chief.
Have not heard of any here in the GV yet, but then again, most of the low lying areas contain older houses occupied by people who will never be able to afford a Nissan Leaf, much less a Tesla.
Mick

 

[qldfrog]

Being in the middle of the the Goulburn Valley region where floods have been foremost in peoples minds these past few weeks, i thought it interesting to look at what happens in the aftermath of major floods to the electric vehicles.
The recent hurricane in Florida which caused widespread flooding gave us n insight to what might happen to EV's when they become water logged.

and

Not all of them will spontaneously combust , but there have been enought to worry the local fire Chief.
Have not heard of any here in the GV yet, but then again, most of the low lying areas contain older houses occupied by people who will never be able to afford a Nissan Leaf, much less a Tesla.
Mick

Quick question: why do they bother watering these fires?
The battery will burn anyway, and it is not anymore a question of lowering temperature to reach below ignition point.you do not hose down a nuclear reactor to stop it..
I understand they may want to avoid burning the rest of the car, but with the battery being the whole floor.good luck.

 

[mullokintyre]

Quick question: why do they bother watering these fires?
The battery will burn anyway, and it is not anymore a question of lowering temperature to reach below ignition point.you do not hose down a nuclear reactor to stop it..
I understand they may want to avoid burning the rest of the car, but with the battery being the whole floor.good luck.

The Tesla Emergency response sheets says the following

 

[qldfrog]

The Tesla Emergency response sheets says the following
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So i summarise as
Let it become a controlled burn.....
But realistically, there might not be any other choice: by reducing the gear, you might prevent propagation to other near areas buildings or cars.
Imagine the cost if regulation added a requirement for an on board battery estinguishing mechanism...

 

[JohnDe]

Being in the middle of the the Goulburn Valley region where floods have been foremost in peoples minds these past few weeks, i thought it interesting to look at what happens in the aftermath of major floods to the electric vehicles.
The recent hurricane in Florida which caused widespread flooding gave us n insight to what might happen to EV's when they become water logged.

and

Not all of them will spontaneously combust , but there have been enought to worry the local fire Chief.
Have not heard of any here in the GV yet, but then again, most of the low lying areas contain older houses occupied by people who will never be able to afford a Nissan Leaf, much less a Tesla.
Mick

In my line of work I frequently have to answer questions from people telling me the 'facts' about my field of work. I've come to the conclusion that it is human nature to beleive everything and to fear the unknown.

One of my favourite quotes "Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself"

A question that I can not find an answer to - How many EVs have been involved in flooding, and of those, how many 'exploded' / caught fire?

EVs have been tested in deep water and can safely drive through deeper waters than ICE vehicles can (Grabianowski, 2008; Perry 2018).

EVs are safe to drive through water and hold no threat of electric shock when wet due to battery insulation. Charging in the rain is safe and holds no threat of short-circuiting, sparks, or other dangers.​

Even if you don’t know much about electric vehicles (EVs), the most important characteristic of this type of vehicle is immediately apparent: electric cars are, well, electric. EVs are charged off an outlet through an electric current. The energy is then stored in a battery somewhere in the frame of the car (typically on the bottom, front, or back of the vehicle, depending on the model).​

One question that EV experts are commonly asked is a variation of “Is it safe to use/drive/charge my EV when it is raining or wet?” The short answer is “yes!”​

In fact, electric cars pose no threat of electric shock and are not dangerous to drive in the rain. Likewise, EVs are safe to drive through water, including deep puddles (though, of course, we would not recommend trying to drive though floodwaters) (Perry, 2018.)​

The batteries and accompanying electric systems in EVs are isolated and equipped with extensive safety systems that automatically shut off power and insulate the battery packs when a collision or short circuit is detected (Grabianowski, 2008). It is pretty much impossible, under normal working conditions, for water to come into direct contact with the batteries themselves (Grabianowski, 2008). Also, consider the fact that your current gas car has an electrical system! Your internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle includes electrical sound systems, electric and digital screens, and electric systems to run the lights. These systems do not short out or shock anyone when you are driving in the rain or through a large puddle. The same is true for an electric vehicle—in fact, it can be argued that the battery systems in electric vehicles are far more insulated than the battery pack currently sitting under your hood.​

Is a battery electric vehicle safe in a flood?
....there is the IP (International Protection) rating system that EV electrical components must comply with. (The IP rating is listed on many things we buy, but few of us take much notice of what it means).

A typical IP rating would be ‘IP65’ – the first number (6 in this example) refers to sealing against dry stuff getting in (eg fingers, dust) and the second (5 in this case) refers to water getting in. IP65 means the item is totally sealed against dust entering and is protected from low pressure jets of water from any direction.

EV electrical components, in particular those in the high voltage sections of the motor, speed controller and battery, are rated to IP66 or better. A 6 for water entry means ‘protected against strong jets of water’. (BTW: an ‘8’ is the highest water entry rating and is basically the water entry rating you would want for a submarine!)

Also, in most modern EVs the motor, speed controller and batteries are actually water cooled to ensure their longevity by maintaining an even temperature at all times – so an IP water entry rating of ‘8’ for these would be mandatory.

 

[mullokintyre]

In my line of work I frequently have to answer questions from people telling me the 'facts' about my field of work. I've come to the conclusion that it is human nature to beleive everything and to fear the unknown.

One of my favourite quotes "Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself"

A question that I can not find an answer to - How many EVs have been involved in flooding, and of those, how many 'exploded' / caught fire?

EVs have been tested in deep water and can safely drive through deeper waters than ICE vehicles can (Grabianowski, 2008; Perry 2018).

EVs are safe to drive through water and hold no threat of electric shock when wet due to battery insulation. Charging in the rain is safe and holds no threat of short-circuiting, sparks, or other dangers.​

Even if you don’t know much about electric vehicles (EVs), the most important characteristic of this type of vehicle is immediately apparent: electric cars are, well, electric. EVs are charged off an outlet through an electric current. The energy is then stored in a battery somewhere in the frame of the car (typically on the bottom, front, or back of the vehicle, depending on the model).​

One question that EV experts are commonly asked is a variation of “Is it safe to use/drive/charge my EV when it is raining or wet?” The short answer is “yes!”​

In fact, electric cars pose no threat of electric shock and are not dangerous to drive in the rain. Likewise, EVs are safe to drive through water, including deep puddles (though, of course, we would not recommend trying to drive though floodwaters) (Perry, 2018.)​

The batteries and accompanying electric systems in EVs are isolated and equipped with extensive safety systems that automatically shut off power and insulate the battery packs when a collision or short circuit is detected (Grabianowski, 2008). It is pretty much impossible, under normal working conditions, for water to come into direct contact with the batteries themselves (Grabianowski, 2008). Also, consider the fact that your current gas car has an electrical system! Your internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle includes electrical sound systems, electric and digital screens, and electric systems to run the lights. These systems do not short out or shock anyone when you are driving in the rain or through a large puddle. The same is true for an electric vehicle—in fact, it can be argued that the battery systems in electric vehicles are far more insulated than the battery pack currently sitting under your hood.​

Is a battery electric vehicle safe in a flood?
....there is the IP (International Protection) rating system that EV electrical components must comply with. (The IP rating is listed on many things we buy, but few of us take much notice of what it means).

A typical IP rating would be ‘IP65’ – the first number (6 in this example) refers to sealing against dry stuff getting in (eg fingers, dust) and the second (5 in this case) refers to water getting in. IP65 means the item is totally sealed against dust entering and is protected from low pressure jets of water from any direction.

EV electrical components, in particular those in the high voltage sections of the motor, speed controller and battery, are rated to IP66 or better. A 6 for water entry means ‘protected against strong jets of water’. (BTW: an ‘8’ is the highest water entry rating and is basically the water entry rating you would want for a submarine!)

Also, in most modern EVs the motor, speed controller and batteries are actually water cooled to ensure their longevity by maintaining an even temperature at all times – so an IP water entry rating of ‘8’ for these would be mandatory.

I do not think the problem is potentiial shock from the EV battery.
EV's have been exhibiting thermal runaways activity for some time.
its not a very common occurrence, but it does and has occurred.
The fact that the Tesla data sheets suggest what should happen to contain them highlights it has happened before, and they are aware of its possibility.
The original tweets were about a number of EV's experiencing runaway thermal reaction after the Hurricane floods.
It may well be that some of them were exposed to sea water, seeing as Florida has the majority of its population near or on the coast.
It may be a corrosion issue, as salt water does some unpleasant things to just about any material.
Add the possibility of stray currents, even small, together with the effects of electrolysis, all manner of things are possible.
Most cars these days carry a variety of metals, and the possibility of galvanic reactions between dissimilar metals increases in se water.
Boats often carry a sacrificial anode to try to counteract the effects.
Mick

 

[Value Collector]

.you do not hose down a nuclear reactor to stop it..

Actually you do, water cooling Nuclear fuel rods is pretty much the only way to prevent a melt down.

On the topic of the EV batteries, I don't know maybe hosing them down slows down the speed at which the battery cells melt lowering the intensity of the burning, I don't know I am just an investor, I will leave the fire fighting to the fire fighters.

 

[qldfrog]

An email chain turning around:
Army Takes Us For a Ride With Its New E-Vehicle



If we are to rely on e-vehicles to transport our soldiers through warzones, the Australian Defence Force is certainly doomed. Perhaps we should consider an even more environmentally-friendly, natural means of transport. Last month, amid great fanfare, an electric version of the battle-tested Australian Bushmaster (a concept E-Protected Mobility Vehicle) was launched in Adelaide.

The original, diesel-powered Bushmasters built in Bendigo served in the Afghanistan theatre. So impressive were they that allied combatants including the Netherlands and Britain purchased 120-plus of them. Currently, 20 Bushmasters are en route to active service with the Ukrainian Army. Other defence force customers of the Bushmasters include New Zealand, Fiji, Japan and Indonesia. The diesel-powered vehicle has an operational range of 800 kilometres.

So, now, an all-singing all-dancing concept electric prototype is ready for Army trials. It is anticipated that these e-Bushmasters will be silent and not generate the heat signature of a diesel vehicle.

Limitations

According to your ABC News of August 11, it is anticipated that the e-vehicle will have an impressive operational range of 1,000 kilometres. That is not yet the case, according to the Defence Department’s release of August 19, which says: “The first version has about a 100-kilometre range, but a planned larger battery should increase this to 350 kilometres. There’s also work to mount small external generators, increasing the range to about 1,000 kilometres.”

A small detail missed in the media hype was that the e-vehicle could not drive to the Adelaide launch. This was confirmed by the Minister’s office, which said the e-vehicle was transported from Newcastle (NSW) on the back of a motorised vehicle.

Lumbering Death Trap

The e-vehicle is a child sired by the Army’s “Power and Energy Paper” of March 2020. The lithium battery utilised in the e-vehicle features high-speed recharging; about three hours at an EV station; or, if the crew pull up outside a farmhouse and use the household plug, about seven hours.

An inconvenient feature of the large lithium battery is that if a bullet or shrapnel pierces its casing, the crew will probably be roasted alive. If it should happen in dense scrub, there is the possibility of a bushfire. A convoy of E-Bushmasters rolling at 100 kilometres per hour from Melbourne to Sydney (870 km) would, with nine stops at EV points, take 36 hours (1½ days) to arrive; while the same 870-km trek in outback South Australia, Queensland, Western Australia or the Northern Territory stopping at farms to recharge would take 72 hours (three days). Diesel-powered Bushmasters can cover the same distance – with driver breaks every two hours – in about 11 hours (half a day).

But do not despair; Assistant Minister for Defence Matt Thistlethwaite said the electric Bushmaster is part of building a “future ready” Army. Standard Operating Procedure for an army field-force convoy movement is to place the slowest vehicles in the lead. A worry for any convoy commander if he was moving a mixed convoy of motorised and e-vehicles would be the requirement to halt every 100 kilometres to recharge the electric units.

Moreover, not all e-vehicles would stop at the same location because some might “run out of puff” after 90 kms, others at 95 kms, or 98 kms, well short of the recharge point. A convoy with 20 e-vehicles would require a recharge point with 20 EV stations or 20 power points at a farm.

Missing in Action

A timely lesson for the Army comes from the Gloucestershire Constabulary, which boasts the largest full electric fleet in Britain, 91 vehicles. Its problem is simple: the force cannot respond to crime because the batteries “keep going flat”. Police and Crime Commissioner Chris Nelson said officers had experienced problems finding recharging facilities in the county as the e-vehicles “run out of puff”, and staff needed to change police cars.

Police Scotland invested £20 million ($A34 million) providing 23 stations with e-vehicles but no EV charging points. When their vehicles were plugged into the station’s regular power point, the latter blew up. Now the e-vehicles are left at council car parks overnight with officers reverting to combustion-powered vehicles. The e-Bushmasters engaged in a limited conflict in the remote outback or even in rural areas and “running out of puff” would certainly meet the Army’s “silent” criterion.

Natural Alternative

While it is easy to criticise a work in progress, any correspondent worth his salt should provide an interim workable solution that will work until the Army’s R&D e-vehicles are perfected before we face an invasion or shortage of liquid fuels. Luckily, there is a solution to this self-defeating “carbon-constrained economy” nonsense: the camel.

Australia has (perhaps) a million feral camels roaming the Outback. Australian soldiers rode camels into battle during World War I in the Mesopotamia campaigns. Camel trains were used in remote Australia as each animal could carry 100 kilograms of stores, or be harnessed in teams to haul wagons. In a military emergency, camel teams could haul “out-of-puff” e-vehicles to the nearest power point. A good camel will travel at five km/h; so, she’ll be right, no urgency; the troops can wait.

The Army’s use of camels would be an innovative carbon-reduction “work in progress” of Labor’s Climate Change Bill, now before the Senate, and would easily impress the UN’s climate barons and other assorted global-warming alarmists.

___

By Tony O’Brien.

Originally published at News Weekly.

 

[qldfrog]

An email chain turning around:
Army Takes Us For a Ride With Its New E-Vehicle



If we are to rely on e-vehicles to transport our soldiers through warzones, the Australian Defence Force is certainly doomed. Perhaps we should consider an even more environmentally-friendly, natural means of transport. Last month, amid great fanfare, an electric version of the battle-tested Australian Bushmaster (a concept E-Protected Mobility Vehicle) was launched in Adelaide.

The original, diesel-powered Bushmasters built in Bendigo served in the Afghanistan theatre. So impressive were they that allied combatants including the Netherlands and Britain purchased 120-plus of them. Currently, 20 Bushmasters are en route to active service with the Ukrainian Army. Other defence force customers of the Bushmasters include New Zealand, Fiji, Japan and Indonesia. The diesel-powered vehicle has an operational range of 800 kilometres.

So, now, an all-singing all-dancing concept electric prototype is ready for Army trials. It is anticipated that these e-Bushmasters will be silent and not generate the heat signature of a diesel vehicle.

Limitations

According to your ABC News of August 11, it is anticipated that the e-vehicle will have an impressive operational range of 1,000 kilometres. That is not yet the case, according to the Defence Department’s release of August 19, which says: “The first version has about a 100-kilometre range, but a planned larger battery should increase this to 350 kilometres. There’s also work to mount small external generators, increasing the range to about 1,000 kilometres.”

A small detail missed in the media hype was that the e-vehicle could not drive to the Adelaide launch. This was confirmed by the Minister’s office, which said the e-vehicle was transported from Newcastle (NSW) on the back of a motorised vehicle.

Lumbering Death Trap

The e-vehicle is a child sired by the Army’s “Power and Energy Paper” of March 2020. The lithium battery utilised in the e-vehicle features high-speed recharging; about three hours at an EV station; or, if the crew pull up outside a farmhouse and use the household plug, about seven hours.

An inconvenient feature of the large lithium battery is that if a bullet or shrapnel pierces its casing, the crew will probably be roasted alive. If it should happen in dense scrub, there is the possibility of a bushfire. A convoy of E-Bushmasters rolling at 100 kilometres per hour from Melbourne to Sydney (870 km) would, with nine stops at EV points, take 36 hours (1½ days) to arrive; while the same 870-km trek in outback South Australia, Queensland, Western Australia or the Northern Territory stopping at farms to recharge would take 72 hours (three days). Diesel-powered Bushmasters can cover the same distance – with driver breaks every two hours – in about 11 hours (half a day).

But do not despair; Assistant Minister for Defence Matt Thistlethwaite said the electric Bushmaster is part of building a “future ready” Army. Standard Operating Procedure for an army field-force convoy movement is to place the slowest vehicles in the lead. A worry for any convoy commander if he was moving a mixed convoy of motorised and e-vehicles would be the requirement to halt every 100 kilometres to recharge the electric units.

Moreover, not all e-vehicles would stop at the same location because some might “run out of puff” after 90 kms, others at 95 kms, or 98 kms, well short of the recharge point. A convoy with 20 e-vehicles would require a recharge point with 20 EV stations or 20 power points at a farm.

Missing in Action

A timely lesson for the Army comes from the Gloucestershire Constabulary, which boasts the largest full electric fleet in Britain, 91 vehicles. Its problem is simple: the force cannot respond to crime because the batteries “keep going flat”. Police and Crime Commissioner Chris Nelson said officers had experienced problems finding recharging facilities in the county as the e-vehicles “run out of puff”, and staff needed to change police cars.

Police Scotland invested £20 million ($A34 million) providing 23 stations with e-vehicles but no EV charging points. When their vehicles were plugged into the station’s regular power point, the latter blew up. Now the e-vehicles are left at council car parks overnight with officers reverting to combustion-powered vehicles. The e-Bushmasters engaged in a limited conflict in the remote outback or even in rural areas and “running out of puff” would certainly meet the Army’s “silent” criterion.

Natural Alternative

While it is easy to criticise a work in progress, any correspondent worth his salt should provide an interim workable solution that will work until the Army’s R&D e-vehicles are perfected before we face an invasion or shortage of liquid fuels. Luckily, there is a solution to this self-defeating “carbon-constrained economy” nonsense: the camel.

Australia has (perhaps) a million feral camels roaming the Outback. Australian soldiers rode camels into battle during World War I in the Mesopotamia campaigns. Camel trains were used in remote Australia as each animal could carry 100 kilograms of stores, or be harnessed in teams to haul wagons. In a military emergency, camel teams could haul “out-of-puff” e-vehicles to the nearest power point. A good camel will travel at five km/h; so, she’ll be right, no urgency; the troops can wait.

The Army’s use of camels would be an innovative carbon-reduction “work in progress” of Labor’s Climate Change Bill, now before the Senate, and would easily impress the UN’s climate barons and other assorted global-warming alarmists.

___

By Tony O’Brien.

Originally published at News Weekly.

I noted the
There’s also work to mount small external generators, increasing the range to about 1,000 kilometres.”
Aka not EV: hybrids or to put it back to real words ICEs...
They will pull a trailer with a diesel generator? Do not laught, we are in 2022 and this would be sold as ingenuity.....

 

[JohnDe]

There’s also work to mount small external generators, increasing the range to about 1,000 kilometres.”
Aka not EV: hybrids or to put it back to real words ICEs...
They will pull a trailer with a diesel generator? Do not laught, we are in 2022 and this would be sold as ingenuity.....

It’s a good thing that we have experienced people in the engineering & design field, and not thought bubbles ?

“As we are seeing around the world today, modern military personnel are joined on their missions by machines. This symposium enables Army to work with industry to explore new and emerging technologies,” Assistant Minister Thistlethwaite said.

“It is vital we support the exploration and development of these technologies, creating innovative advantages for the Australian Defence Force while supporting Australian industry and jobs.”

“We have seen great success with Australian designed and built vehicles keeping personnel safe under fire and the new ePMV represents the next innovative stage in that tradition,” Thistlethwaite said in a statement. “This ePMV brings the benefits of electric vehicles to the battlefield, particularly being quieter than its combustion counterparts, and I look forward to seeing it perform in field trials.”


“As we are seeing around the world today, modern military personnel are joined on their missions by machines,” he added, noting that the symposium enables the Australian Army as well as the wider ADF to collaborate with the local defence industry to explore new and emerging technologies.

The prototype ePMV features a series hybrid propulsion system that comprises a diesel engine that produces up to 400 kW of continuous power for vehicle electronics and mission systems, as well as charge batteries that enable the vehicle to operate for up to 24-36 hours on ‘silent watch’ or travel distances of 200-300 km.

 

[SirRumpole]

It’s a good thing that we have experienced people in the engineering & design field, and not thought bubbles ?

“As we are seeing around the world today, modern military personnel are joined on their missions by machines. This symposium enables Army to work with industry to explore new and emerging technologies,” Assistant Minister Thistlethwaite said.

“It is vital we support the exploration and development of these technologies, creating innovative advantages for the Australian Defence Force while supporting Australian industry and jobs.”

“We have seen great success with Australian designed and built vehicles keeping personnel safe under fire and the new ePMV represents the next innovative stage in that tradition,” Thistlethwaite said in a statement. “This ePMV brings the benefits of electric vehicles to the battlefield, particularly being quieter than its combustion counterparts, and I look forward to seeing it perform in field trials.”


“As we are seeing around the world today, modern military personnel are joined on their missions by machines,” he added, noting that the symposium enables the Australian Army as well as the wider ADF to collaborate with the local defence industry to explore new and emerging technologies.

The prototype ePMV features a series hybrid propulsion system that comprises a diesel engine that produces up to 400 kW of continuous power for vehicle electronics and mission systems, as well as charge batteries that enable the vehicle to operate for up to 24-36 hours on ‘silent watch’ or travel distances of 200-300 km.s

It sounds similar to a diesel electric submarine to me.

When will we get the nuclear version?

 

[JohnDe]

It sounds similar to a diesel electric submarine to me.

When will we get the nuclear version?

Same principle, stealth mode. The prime mover diesel engines are very loud, especially under load, and can be heard for miles out in the field. An electric engine is almost silent, the vehicle would have to be almost on top of you before anyone realising.

 

[qldfrog]

Same principle, stealth mode. The prime mover diesel engines are very loud, especially under load, and can be heard for miles out in the field. An electric engine is almost silent, the vehicle would have to be almost on top of you before anyone realising.

Only good in a guerrilla scenario and in a guerrilla scenario, you do not have any need for these.
Let's be real...noise an issue on a battlefield for troop carriers?
But at least, they will be able to drive around Australia in non war situation , without being forbidden access to cities or states etc by the local green teal/watermelons councils and will not wake up population living along the roads in the cities.
Actually a plus so
Wasting money that way is better than buying nuke submarines or F35 in 2022.a better waste...Build electric drones instead

 

[JohnDe]

Only good in a guerrilla scenario and in a guerrilla scenario, you do not have any need for these.
Let's be real...noise an issue on a battlefield for troop carriers?

Sounds (pun intended) like you have little concept of modern warfare.

Even in WWII stealth was required by troops to sneak up on enemy positions, getting close gave the advantage of surprise and greater chance of success.

Patrols need to be able to see their enemy before they themselves are heard.

There are many different scenarios in war and battles. Open fields and outback Australia patrols traveling at night in a near silent vehicle would be very difficult to spot, but a noisy 7.3L Cummins diesel would be heard for miles.

Bushmaster goes electric: Australia unveils silent, electrified personnel vehicle

The Australian defence force is going green - and for good military reasons - with an electric version of the famous Bushmaster.

thedriven.io

 

[mullokintyre]

NSW has announced that over 500 fast and superfast chargers have been funded to be rolled out in that state as part of the intial 39mill funding package.
From NSW Government

More than 500 new fast and ultra-fast charging bays are set to be built across NSW to recharge electric vehicles (EVs) in just 15 minutes.
Treasurer and Minister for Energy Matt Kean announced the NSW Government is investing $39.4 million in the first round of Fast Charging Grants to co-fund 86 new fast and ultra-fast EV charging stations, each with four to 15 bays.
“This investment will see the largest, fastest and most comprehensive public EV charging network in Australia,” Mr Kean said.
“Each of these stations will contain a minimum of two ultra-fast EV charging bays of 350kW capacity, and two fast charging bays of 175kW, with some stations containing up to 15 bays.
“The ultra-fast chargers will be able to charge modern EVs from 20 per cent to 80 per cent in around 15 minutes and all stations will be fully powered with renewable energy.
“This is the first of an expected three funding rounds, with hundreds more stations set to be built over the coming years.”
The successful applicants from this round are Ampol, BP, Evie Networks, Tesla, the NRMA and Zeus Renewables.
All stations will be built over the next 24 months with a mix of highway and inner-city sites.
The NSW Government has a target to add approximately 250 fast and ultra-fast charging stations in total across NSW, ensuring chargers are no more than 5km apart in metropolitan areas and no more than 100km apart on major roads and highways across NSW.
The second round of co-funding is expected to open towards the end of this year.

Will be interesting to see who actually owns these stations, and what arrangements the NSW government has made to ensure that the tesla ones are available to all vehicles, not just Tesla vehicles. pricing will be interesting, wondering if the NSW govt has any control over pricing of the electricity.
Be nice if som of the other states followed suit.
Mick

 

[JohnDe]

I can see why non-Tesla EV owners are infatuated with the Tesla charging system. With over a year of ownership, and having traveled country roads and interstate, I have not had one single issue with charging my Tesla M3.

Tesla dominates charging experience satisfaction, and that’s a problem now that it’s going public

Owners of other EV brands will eventually be able to use the Tesla charging network, at a premium over Tesla owners of course. Each country's activation of the Tesla network to other brands will be dependent on excess capacity.

Elon Musk explains how non-Tesla EV owners are going to be able to use the Supercharger network

 

[Value Collector]

It sounds similar to a diesel electric submarine to me.

Yep, actually sounds pretty good it would allow for tactical movements, Imagine a convoy or a patrol to be able to leave a location silently under the cover of darkness, or an assault group being able to approach a target without the sound of 5 Diesel engines giving away their position.

 

[Value Collector]

Only good in a guerrilla scenario and in a guerrilla scenario, you do not have any need for these.
Let's be real...noise an issue on a battlefield for troop carriers?

You don't have a military back ground do you?

There is unlimited number of situations where for tactical reason having a near silent vehicle is an advantage.

When we were operating out of vehicles its noise was always a factor, for example it was standard procedure at my regiment that that when we were starting our vehicles all the drivers would watch for the signal given by the person in command and would all start their vehicles at exactly the same time, so that anyone with in ear reach wouldn't know the exact number of vehicles we had.

If an enemy group does here your vehicles coming, the longer they have to evade you or worse plan a quick snap ambush on you.

The more information the enemy has on your exact position the worse it generally is for you, So we wear Camouflage, we drive with out head lights, we try to limit other signatures like smell and noise, vehicles noise is obviously part of that.

 

[qldfrog]

The gov decides to build charging stations recharging cars in 15min..just have to find the cars which can ......
So easy to govern...
"I have decided to fund a staircase to the moon and develop the perpetual engine, we got the blueprint from the web..."

 

[JohnDe]

The gov decide to bud charging stations recharging cars in 15min..just have to find the cars which can ......
So easy to govern...
"I have decided to fund a staircase to the moon and develop the perpetual engine, we got the blueprint from the web..."

Will it be free to charge vehicles from the charging stations you mention?