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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.0%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.6%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 79 39.7%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.1%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.0%
  • Total voters
    199
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SirRumpole said:
But we also have genetic diversity, not all humans are alike, otherwise we would all be in jail, or there would be no jails.
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Yes, but none of us have 360 degree vision for example, where my Tesla can see 360 degrees, our genetic diversity doesn’t come close to allowing any of us to be perfect, automated systems that fill in those gaps are great.

But anyway my point is that an autopilot system with a human back up, is always going to be safer than the human alone, there a numbers backing this up, that’s why planes have autopilot to begin with.
 
Value Collector said:
How are you finding the Regen? It took me a few days to get used to it, then it became second nature and now I miss it when I drive a non ev.
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I love it, but I ride a motorbike, so it is similar to using the gearbox and engine compression instead of brakes. The wife will take some getting used to it, on the Kona they have paddles behind the steering wheel which are very intuitive and easy to use.
I have been explaining to the wife, it is the same principal as on the electric scooters, which she finds easier to get her head around.:xyxthumbs
 
Value Collector said:
But anyway my point is that an autopilot system with a human back up, is always going to be safer than the human alone, there a numbers backing this up, that’s why planes have autopilot to begin with.
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But the 737-MAX disproves that statement.

Would you believe "almost always" ?
 
SirRumpole said:
But the 737-MAX disproves that statement.

Would you believe "almost always" ?
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How?

I am talking about averages, I am not saying zero planes or cars will ever crash, I am saying that on average they will be safer.

As I said earlier if you wish to point to the problems with the 737-max, you have to weigh the damage that the problem there caused vs the damage that never happened because of the autopilot systems in all the other planes for the last 50 years.

I doubt that airlines would have the safety record they do now if you had never allowed all the automated safety features to be used.
 
SirRumpole said:
No, you used the term "always", always is not an average.
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My whole argument is that autopilot is not perfect, but that it doesn’t have to be perfect to be safer than imperfect humans.

So, obviously I wasn’t using the word “Always” to suggest they are safer 100% of the time, I meant the odds are “Always” going to be leaning in their favour.

It’s a bit like a black jack player might say something like “You should Always stand on 16 or above” he is saying that because that’s statistically thats the safest option, off-course he is not suggesting that standing on 16 and above will guarantee a win every time.
 

OK whatever. It's fascinating technology anyway. Might be dangerous for Tesla if a fault appears and they get landed with class actions. Better for business in the long run to let drivers do the work and get blamed for accidents.
 
"According to Euro NCAP, Tesla Model Y made at Giga Berlin was the safest vehicle ever tested bar none. In the Safety Assist department, the Model Y with camera-only Tesla Vision blew away the charts, with a near-perfect 98% score.​
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But you don’t have to take our words for granted, just head below and watch the video. Starting at 02:33, you’ll see the Tesla Model Y expertly avoiding whatever the testers threw its way, from moving dummies to other vehicles. Not once the safety assist software showed a weakness, which explains why the safety score was the highest ever achieved by any car."​

 
One for the engineers on ASF

A $3k 3 day EV conversion. And some neat tricks to keep the Air Con and Power steering operational. Check it out.

 
Macquack said:
That video was O.K., but it would have been so much better if Supercar Blondie did it. (at least I would have stayed awake).
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Hahaha, I was scraping the barrel, I think I watched about 7 different videos to find one that explained the details without out going off on to many irrelevant tangents.
 
Man, After parking near an EV charger at a Woolworths near me every time I go there for the last 2 years but never using it, I only just realised that it is FREE. Talk about wasted opportunity ?
 
National Electric Vehicle Strategy
Consultation paper
September 2022

Ministers’ foreword
The time has come for Australian households and businesses to reap the benefits of cheaper, low emissions transport that is fit for the 21st century. This consultation paper provides a chance for all Australians to have their say on a National Electric Vehicle Strategy to increase the supply and uptake of electric vehicles.
Excluding COVID-19’s impact, transport is Australia’s second largest source of national emissions. Most transport emissions are from road vehicles. Reducing these emissions will be critical to achieving Australia’s emissions reduction target of 43% on 2005 levels by 2030 and reaching net zero emissions by 2050.
Today, Australians are being sold some of the highest emitting cars in the world. On average, new passenger vehicles in Australia have around 20% higher emissions than the United States, and around 40% higher emissions than in Europe. We need to catch up to the rest of the world when it comes to transport emissions.
In 2021, EVs were just under 2% of new light vehicle sales in Australia, compared with 9% globally In the United States and Canada, new EVs had a market share over 5%. In the past year in New Zealand, EVs have gone from 2.5% of new registrations to over 11%.
Current policy settings have failed to secure supply of affordable EVs for Australians.
State and territory governments around Australia have implemented policies to encourage EV take- up, but coordination and alignment at the national level has been lacking. The Albanese Government is delivering on its election commitment to develop Australia’s first National Electric Vehicle Strategy to unlock the nation’s EV potential and reduce transport emissions.
This paper advances our genuine consultation with the states and territories, industry, unions and consumers.
We are also seeking views on implementing vehicle fuel efficiency standards in Australia. Australia is in company with Russia as one of the only major economies without vehicle fuel efficiency standards in place or under development. These policies are helping other countries reduce transport emissions, save motorists money at the bowser, and enhance consumer choices. They also preserve access to the range of vehicles people need for work and leisure.
And while any standards must be designed specifically for Australia, standards that lack ambition will still leave Australians at the back of the global queue for cheaper, cleaner vehicles. We need to aim for as close to best practice as is achievable. The scale of our climate challenge and soaring global fuel prices make it vital we bring the world’s best transport technology to Australians.
All Australians are encouraged to have their say on how we can transform Australia’s transport sector through the development of the National Electric Vehicle Strategy
The Hon Chris Bowen MP
Minister for Climate Change and Energy
The Hon Catherine King MP
Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government

1 Introduction
1.1 Current state
Globally, transport makes up nearly a quarter of total emissions. Road transport contributes around 75% of that share. In Australia, transport makes up 19% of national emissions. Road transport is close to 85% of those emissions (see figure 1). Addressing road transport emissions, particularly through electrification, is critical to Australia reaching net zero emissions by 2050.

Figure 1 Australia's transport emissions and road transport emissions (2019)1
Australia is currently behind many other advanced and emerging economies in electric vehicle (EV) uptake (see figures 2 and 3).
EVs are being deployed globally, with rapid innovation. The transition will make a significant contribution to achieving the global climate goal of keeping warming well below 2 degrees, and preferably to 1.5 degrees. EVs also offer lower running costs for consumers compared to internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles.

Electric vehicles are defined in this paper as battery electric vehicles (BEVs), plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) and hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEVs).

Figure 2 Australia’s new light vehicle sales, 2021 Figure 3 Comparison of new EV sales, 2021
 

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That guys only complaint was he didn't get his Tesla delivered fast enough.
 
Macquack said:
That guys only complaint was he didn't get his Tesla delivered fast enough.
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Not his only complaint.
Delivery dates kept changing right up to when it was actually delivered and customer service was crap.
The customer service is the main thing he's not happy about.
No one likes constantly shifting goal posts except the carny side show owner.
 
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