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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.8%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.6%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 37 18.8%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.7%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    197
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I'm lucky I pop in here on occasion to get on top of "the trends' otherwise... Pheww, I'd fall for the stated intentions of places like Denmark and Japan, other places close to home, to massively upscale their offshore wind production , Frances fast track of more nuclear, Nah hang-on misread that, it's Frances fast tracking of fixing all their broke nuclear And more actively Fast Tracking Off Shore wind.

The indefatigability of machine assisted driving is aready proving its worth, in less than ten years it will have saved trauma and grave trauma to that of millions and that's before we even think dollar cost saved. By then the technology, self driving, will be little more than a high school computer science project... And that my friend is the trend, X.
 
orr said:
I'm lucky I pop in here on occasion to get on top of "the trends' otherwise... Pheww, I'd fall for the stated intentions of places like Denmark and Japan, other places close to home, to massively upscale their offshore wind production , Frances fast track of more nuclear, Nah hang-on misread that, it's Frances fast tracking of fixing all their broke nuclear And more actively Fast Tracking Off Shore wind.

The indefatigability of machine assisted driving is aready proving its worth, in less than ten years it will have saved trauma and grave trauma to that of millions and that's before we even think dollar cost saved. By then the technology, self driving, will be little more than a high school computer science project... And that my friend is the trend, X.
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Yes and Internet banking will save us time and money. Of course it does, but the large scale risks are a lot higher as we have seen compared to just popping in to the bank at lunchtime.
 
Just finished reading "Machines Behaving Badly: the Morality of AI" by australian Toby Walsh
A stinking woke book to the point of whole chapters being unreadible but if you do not appreciate my own AI expertise, as this woke guy is a declared and recognized guru:
read his view on self driven cars in 2021.
If this guys does not want to be driven by AI at the current state, i definitively would not, nor should you but hey, some people do russian roulette or try to train surf......
 
orr said:
The indefatigability of machine assisted driving is already proving its worth, in less than ten years it will have saved trauma and grave trauma to that of millions and that's before we even think dollar cost saved. By then the technology, self driving, will be little more than a high school computer science project... And that my friend is the trend, X.
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Seat belts, EBS and air bags will save far more lives in the next 10 years than FSD and autonomous driving tech. The cost of moving to EV tech is enormous, the transition will take decades and primarily affordable only to the affluent in advanced economies for many years to come. FSD will become a high school project only when computer software does all the design, engineering and manufacturing with little thinking required by the operator and such AI available at an affordable cost. Predictions are not trends, O.
 
Value Collector said:
Most advance safety features start out in the more expensive cars and work their way down.

There was a time when airbags were a feature in only the top end cars.
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It was actual mainstream news, not motoring news I mean the 6pm TV news, when air bags first became available in a mainstream car.

Today well every car has them.

Likewise I remember a manager at work, who had some authority regarding fleet vehicles, getting excited about stability control then realising he needed to explain to everyone what, exactly, it was. That was only in the early 00's.

All this stuff ripples through the fleet over time. :2twocents
 
Smurf1976 said:
It was actual mainstream news, not motoring news I mean the 6pm TV news, when air bags first became available in a mainstream car.
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As I recall, optioning air bags or seat belts or their inclusion as standard safety equipment was not equivalent to the price of a small car.

Tesla’s Full-Self Driving software is going up in price again​

"Tesla’s increasing the price of its Full-Self Driving (FSD) software to $15,000. In a post on Twitter, Tesla CEO Elon Musk announced that the new price will go into effect in North America starting September 5th, representing a $3,000 jump."

Don't think trickle down economics will apply to Tesla FSD anytime soon.
 
Smurf1976 said:
It was actual mainstream news, not motoring news I mean the 6pm TV news, when air bags first became available in a mainstream car.

Today well every car has them.

Likewise I remember a manager at work, who had some authority regarding fleet vehicles, getting excited about stability control then realising he needed to explain to everyone what, exactly, it was. That was only in the early 00's.

All this stuff ripples through the fleet over time. :2twocents
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I picked up the car today, the thing that struck me was how easy it would be to be tail ended.
I was driving down the freeway with max regen on and then realised the brake lights don't come on when you lift off the pedal and the car decelerates rapidly, the young girl in the car behind had eyes the size of saucers as she lit up the brakes.
I need to be careful of that.
 
sptrawler said:
I picked up the car today, the thing that struck me was how easy it would be to be tail ended.
I was driving down the freeway with max regen on and then realised the brake lights don't come on when you lift off the pedal and the car decelerates rapidly, the young girl in the car behind had eyes the size of saucers as she lit up the brakes.
I need to be careful of that.
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If you reduce speed significantly, putting brake light on should be a given.this is a bug IMHO
 
Trader X said:
As I recall, optioning air bags or seat belts or their inclusion as standard safety equipment was not equivalent to the price of a small car.
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Correct - hence why they weren't on mainstream cars until the price came down and it was newsworthy when that happened.

Same with all tech.

Air-conditioning in cars went from something actual millionaires had down to something that's in the cheapest utes and vans but it took a long time to get there. It's only circa year 2000 that practically all new cars came with it.

Power steering was still a feature back in the 1980's. Today there'd be a lot of younger people who've no concept that there is such a thing and that driving did indeed require far more physical effort in the past. :2twocents
 
sptrawler said:
I picked up the car today, the thing that struck me was how easy it would be to be tail ended.
I was driving down the freeway with max regen on and then realised the brake lights don't come on when you lift off the pedal and the car decelerates rapidly, the young girl in the car behind had eyes the size of saucers as she lit up the brakes.
I need to be careful of that.
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Your car is faulty, call the manufacturer first thing tomorrow morning.

The brake lights should come on as soon as you lift your foot off of the accelerator on a regeneration system. I’ve checked mine & confirmed with other users.
 
Smurf1976 said:
Correct - hence why they weren't on mainstream cars until the price came down and it was newsworthy when that happened.
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Missing the point entirely, such safety equipment was never even close to being as relatively expensive as FSD is today. A/C, power steering, seat belts etcetera were hardly proprietary tech and available from multiple parts manufacturers so the price decreased rapidly. Tesla is increasing the price of FSD, sells the software on a subscription basis and appears to have no intention of making it "mainstream" on their EVs. The hardware is there but you pay dearly to use the proprietary software that enables it and totally captive to Tesla's pricing model. So comparing FSD software to safety tech like seat belts or air bags is a non-sequitur.
 
JohnDe said:
Your car is faulty, call the manufacturer first thing tomorrow morning.

The brake lights should come on as soon as you lift your foot off of the accelerator on a regeneration system. I’ve checked mine & confirmed with other users.
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I will have to check, I just assumed it didn't as the car behind certainly had to hit the brakes hard, maybe they were tailgating and didn't pay attention.
 
Trader X said:
As I recall, optioning air bags or seat belts or their inclusion as standard safety equipment was not equivalent to the price of a small car.

Tesla’s Full-Self Driving software is going up in price again​

"Tesla’s increasing the price of its Full-Self Driving (FSD) software to $15,000. In a post on Twitter, Tesla CEO Elon Musk announced that the new price will go into effect in North America starting September 5th, representing a $3,000 jump."

Don't think trickle down economics will apply to Tesla FSD anytime soon.
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You keep mentioning that, even though I have already explained that autopilot, and the other safety features are free.

Let me say it a few more times.

Tesla Autopilot is free
Tesla Autopilot is free
Tesla Autopilot is free

Hopefully you now understand that Tesla Autopilot is free, you do not need to pay extra to use Tesla autopilot, it comes included in the cost of the vehicle, as does many other advanced safety features.

So just to let you know, Tesla Autopilot is free.
 
sptrawler said:
I will have to check, I just assumed it didn't as the car behind certainly had to hit the brakes hard, maybe they were tailgating and didn't pay attention.
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When I first started driving mine I had the same concern, I found a users forum on Facebook so that I could find out for certain. I’ve also followed my wife while she has driven & used the regenerative braking.
On our model the brake lights come on very quick, and the centre screen has a picture of the car which shows the brake lights activating.

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SirRumpole said:
Yes and Internet banking will save us time and money. Of course it does, but the large scale risks are a lot higher as we have seen compared to just popping in to the bank at lunchtime.
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I don’t know about that, I think being scammed over the internet might be safer than getting beaten up and mugged while withdrawing physical cash.
 
JohnDe said:
When I first started driving mine I had the same concern, I found a users forum on Facebook so that I could find out for certain. I’ve also followed my wife while she has driven & used the regenerative braking.
On our model the brake lights come on very quick, and the centre screen has a picture of the car which shows the brake lights activating.

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Yep, if you are regening down a hill maintaining the same speed brake lights don’t come on, but when you begin to decelerate they do.
 
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