That's true, the next generation who grow up with this technology, wont think twice about it.People used to say the same about lifts controlled by machines.
One thing I have noticed, if I have passengers (particularly older ones) and I tell them we are on autopilot they seem on edge and question every little brake or lane change etc.That's true, the next generation who grow up with this technology, wont think twice about it.
Being older, overcoming learned responses, gained from the school of hard knocks, it isn't so easy.
Installing more power points in parking garages isn’t hard, it’s more about politics than anything else, as a bare minimum putting a power point at each car park should be very easy.The EV 'social equity' dilemma that may put apartment residents off electric cars
The carpark in my previous apartment building had one changing station. Totally inadequate for more than a small number of EVs let alone the entire carpark. Social equity extends beyond charging of course as the affordability of EVs in general is likely to be an equity issue far beyond any date mandates to halt the sale or production of ICE vehicles.
One thing I have noticed, if I have passengers (particularly older ones) and I tell them we are on autopilot they seem on edge and question every little brake or lane change etc.
But If I don’t tell them and they think I am driving, people don’t seem to worry. If a car slows down in front of us and they think I am in control and applying the brake they are relaxed, but as soon as they know that it’s in auto pilot the are very jumpy and say things like “hey they car in front slowing down, tell it to slow down” hahaha.
It takes them a while to relax and just trust the system, at first I have to continually point out things like “see that green bar up here, that shows the car is already regen braking, it knows the cars in front are slowing and it’s already braking”
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My Dad has a Tesla, he is 70 his learning curve and acceptance of autopilot has been very slow, he is getting better but at first he was constantly jumping in and cutting off the autopilot in situations where it was fine.
You really need to be a relaxed person to enjoy autopilot I think, if you are the type of person hat stresses over trucks and other cars etc or are an aggressive driver it’s going to take a while to get used to it.
But if you are more chill and can just relax and be driven and let it do it’s thing without stressing over every move it’s great
Or cardiac arrest, stroke, epileptic fit, moment of distraction, micro sleep or any of the other human glitches that frequently cause accidents.Yes, just try not to think about sensor failure, hacking, software problems etc.
2 years ago my Mum fainted driving her car, she was quite sick and didn't realise it.Or cardiac arrest, stroke, epileptic fit, moment of distraction, micro sleep or any of the other human glitches that frequently cause accidents.
A vehicle with autopilot engaged and a driver in the seat is far less likely to crash than a car with just a human driver.
Whoah, I am glad she is ok ??.2 years ago my Mum fainted driving her car, she was quite sick and didn't realise it.
Luckily her foot went off the accelerator and she ran into a pole at the side of the road at a slow speed (maybe 15km/hr). Though she was on a major road the other drivers got our of her way.
Woke up in hospital and took a couple of weeks to fully recover from the sickness which I won't go into but wasn't injured from the car accident.
If she had autonomous driving she probably wouldn't have even damaged the car.
She is back on the road doing fine. She is now in her early 80s.
This assumes your mum would have been inclined to spend $65k plus another $10k on top for FSD on a new M3. Unlikely perhaps? Fully autonomous operation will save lives in the future no doubt, for now it's totally unaffordable for the vast majority of car owners.If she had autonomous driving she probably wouldn't have even damaged the car.
Most advance safety features start out in the more expensive cars and work their way down.This assumes your mum would have been inclined to spend $65k plus another $10k on top for FSD on a new M3. Unlikely perhaps? Fully autonomous operation will save lives in the future no doubt, for now it's totally unaffordable for the vast majority of car owners.
The new Nissan Qashsqai (or Cashcow as the dealers call it) comes with automonous features and isn't that expensive 45K.This assumes your mum would have been inclined to spend $65k plus another $10k on top for FSD on a new M3. Unlikely perhaps? Fully autonomous operation will save lives in the future no doubt, for now it's totally unaffordable for the vast majority of car owners.
Safety regulators set the standards, car manufactures put a price on safety features and you pay for it. The cost of FSD is not comparable to the cost of other safety features such as airbags. FSD is very expensive tech, that's why Tesla options it and charges subscription fees instead of it being included as standard equipment.Not to mention who can put a price on reducing fatal accidents, the stats show autopilot enhanced vehicles kill and maim less people.
No doubt autonomous driving features will get less expensive over time as competition in that space intensifies. If ProPILOT is standard equipment that will be one incentive to chose Nissan over a Tesla.The new Nissan Qashsqai (or Cashcow as the dealers call it) comes with automonous features and isn't that expensive 45K.
Base level autopilot is free, with Teslas. Only the advanced full self driving costs extra.Safety regulators set the standards, car manufactures put a price on safety features and you pay for it. The cost of FSD is not comparable to the cost of other safety features such as airbags. FSD is very expensive tech, that's why Tesla options it and charges subscription fees instead of it being included as standard equipment.
It's highly unlikely FSD will be a mandated safety feature on EVs or work it's way down the product line in the near future as standard equipment. The cost savings of operating an EV instead of ICEV is highly variable and can only be profiled for a given use case. With so many now taking advantage of flexible working arrangements and working from home, the cost savings of EV operation are diminished in that case.
EVs will remain unaffordable and impractical to all but those living in highly developed, high wage economies. Even then only to a minority of the populace.
The full self driving feature is what costs the extra money, which allows the car to navigate of auto pilot, over take slower cars, change lanes, merge off freeway etc etc.
I am not sure how much it costs now, as more features are unlocked the price is going up, but I think I paid about $7000 for it back in 2019.So how much is the full package may I ask ?
And the FSD features are what you're touting as life saving.Base level autopilot is free, with Teslas. Only the advanced full self driving costs extra.
What I said was, "EVs will remain unaffordable and impractical to all but those living in highly developed, high wage economies." This will be true for many years to come. The cost of renewable electricity will get cheaper in those economies that can afford the considerable infrastructure costs to properly support mass EV adoption. Electricity grids are not designed to charge millions of cars overnight (that requires after dark baseload power) and battery storage in conjunction with solar panels is still a significant cost.You keep saying Evs are unaffordable, even though cheaper models are coming onto the market, and the basic economics of fossil fuels means the more we burn the more expensive they get, where as the more renewable electricity we use the cheaper it gets.
LOL, I am well aware of this trend to move away from fossil fuels and support this initiative. However, it's naïve to assume EV adoption in developed, high wage economies will have a significant impact on climate change or reduce the dependency of densely populated countries like India and China on coal fired baseload power generation (a massive greenhouse gas emission source). It's far more likely that breakthrough advances in nuclear energy will be required to power the hundreds of millions of EVs futurists imagine on the planet's roads rather than solar panels on every rooftop or wind turbines scattered about the landscape.I am sorry if you haven’t picked up on the trends yet, but the trend is against fossil fuels, long term, the will continue their trend of being increasingly scarce and increasingly expensive, where as renewables will continue their trend of becoming cheaper.
1. No, regular old free autopilot is what I am touting as life saving.1. And the FSD features are what you're touting as life saving.
2. What I said was, "EVs will remain unaffordable and impractical to all but those living in highly developed, high wage economies." This will be true for many years to come. The cost of renewable electricity will get cheaper in those economies that can afford the considerable infrastructure costs to properly support mass EV adoption. Electricity grids are not designed to charge millions of cars overnight (that requires after dark baseload power) and battery storage in conjunction with solar panels is still a significant cost.
3. LOL, I am well aware of this trend to move away from fossil fuels and support this initiative. However, it's naïve to assume EV adoption in developed, high wage economies will have a significant impact on climate change or reduce the dependency of densely populated countries like India and China on coal fired baseload power generation (a massive greenhouse gas emission source). It's far more likely that breakthrough advances in nuclear energy will be required to power the hundreds of millions of EVs futurists imagine on the planet's roads rather than solar panels on every rooftop or wind turbines scattered about the landscape.
Yeah, I was thinking that in a few years a lot of Ubers will likely be driverless.I am not sure how much it costs now, as more features are unlocked the price is going up, but I think I paid about $7000 for it back in 2019.
But once you buy it you own it for the life of the car, and you get all the new updates.
When I first got it in 2019 it didn’t really do much more than what the base model does, but now it does a fair bit more, and there are a lot of updates on the way.
Tesla plan is for it to eventually be fully autonomous and capable of basically being a driverless taxi that you can put to work to earn income, once they are at that level I imagine full “Robo Taxi mode” will probably cost quite a bit of money.
I agree, I can't see myself adjusting to autonomous driving cars, I can't sleep when the wife is driving, so there is no chance if a computer is doing it. I worked long enough with process controls, to know when it goes wrong, it ends badly.?
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