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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%

  • Total voters
    198

Transport of all types is being diminished by technology, eg zoom meetings, online ordering, general working from home arrangements, internet banking etc.

You can look at houses with virtual tours these days, which will eliminate a lot of those you don't like and you just travel to the ones you do.

I can see private public transport operators feeling the squeeze as time goes on, and governments will probably be running PT at a loss or more of a loss than they are now.

People will still want cars for recreation and as you pointed out , public transport is not usually an option unless you want to travel lost distances.
 
Very true smurf, also in Australia we tend to have sprawling cities, therefore low population density makes facilitating people very difficult.
In countries that have high population densities like Singapore, Japan etc it works very well and the patronage is huge.
Also affluence plays a part, in countries where vehicles are considered a luxury the public transport is usually overcrowded, again using Singapore, only the well off own vehicles.
About $134,000 aussie

In Australia most people who are able to obtain a license, actually buy a car and can afford to run it.

Getting back on thread, I have been informed the E.V should be here by the end of the month, that will be a seven month wait.?
 
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Thanks for the advice SP.
Am thinking of getting one as a bike track is being upgraded that will take me into the CBD once finished, maybe faster than driving
 
Thanks for the advice SP.
Am thinking of getting one as a bike track is being upgraded that will take me into the CBD once finished, maybe faster than driving
Definitely a great way to travel, we love them.
Find the electric scooters are better on public transport, the bikes are a bit bulky.
But find the electric bikes are great for getting around town and local shopping etc, yesterday we went to chemist wharehouse about 24km round trip, no problem at all the wife used 1 bar on her battery, 5 bars is a full charge. She is 5'9" and 65kg's so smaller person would use less, but I think she could get about 100km on a full charge using eco boost.
Definitely the center drive is the way to go IMO, it just really suits cycling, makes it a really pleasurable experience. All the fun, the exercise and minimal sweat.
If you don't want to pedal, then hub drive PAS is the go, but get a big battery because when you don't pedal they get through the battery charge fairly quickly.
 
Mercedes getting desperate?

 
Germany getting nervous about the cost of electricity and the knock on effects for E.V's, luckily they have already put in place legislation to effectively ban ICE engines.


According to the automobile economist Stefan Bratzel, the development is an immediate threat to the industry.

“The electricity price explosion could end up being an acute danger for vehicle transition, and we need to be damn careful about it,” he told German media.

“If electric cars become more expensive to use, the surge in electric mobility is in danger of collapsing, because hardly anyone is going to buy an electric car,” Bratzel, who is also founder of the Center for Automotive Management (CAM), said. He and other electric car advocates are now calling on the German government to ensure that the electricity price remains under the price of petrol, which they say is crucial to the future of electric cars.

Electric cars are losing their charm,” Helena Wisbert, director of the Duisburg-based Center for Automotive Research, wrote in a recent commentary for the economic daily Handelsblatt.

State subsidies of electric cars are set to halve to €4,500 (£3,900) from 2023, while buyers of plug-in hybrids, who currently receive a €6,750 payment towards them, will no longer be supported. The overall pot of money available is to be capped at €2.5bn, enough to cover bonuses for just 400,000 electric cars – less than 1% of the cars on German roads.

One suggestion that could be relatively swiftly implemented would be to increase the vehicle tax on diesel and petrol cars. Currently electric cars are not eligible for vehicle tax. They are also able to use bus lanes and parking places unavailable to non-electric cars.
 

Electric vehicle demand to drive windfall for lithium miners, say Macquarie and Barrenjoey

Lithium miners are set for an earnings windfall amid a growing demand for electric vehicles and significant supply challenges.

“The key limiting factor to greater adoption remains the development of raw materials, particularly lithium,” Mr Lawcock said.

“We think the market expects a surge in supply in 2023, which we would expect to be more tilted towards year-end and into 2024.”

Electric vehicle sales globally continue to outpace combustion vehicle sales, with China up 117 per cent in the year to July and Europe up 32 per cent in the year to June.

Mr Lawcock acknowledged the market was concerned about “rapidly slowing global economic momentum and the impact on aggregate raw materials demand”, but tipped strong electric vehicle growth would drive demand.

“While lithium is not immune, we think that electric vehicles can grow sales in an otherwise contractionary or sluggish auto market,” he said.

Macquarie notes lithium carbonate supply remains tight in China due to logistic challenges caused by lockdowns and says its preference for Australian-based lithium producers remains unchanged with Pilbara Minerals and IGO its key picks.

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It’s weird that you don’t see similar headlines about the future of ICE cars when oil prices skyrocket.

Electricity prices rise and suddenly the EV future is gloomy, but people seem to accept the price of Oil rising as just par for the course.

A major benefit of the EV route, is that with a modest investment in solar panels, an EV owner can make their own fuel, regardless of what the market price is.
 

The engineering of ICE vehicles changed a lot since the 1970's oil crisis.

The Yanks started building more compact cars , very few of these still around.

 
Yes I think the article is more about giving the European E.V sector a bit of a leg up, over this energy cost spike period, the EU car manufacturers must be finding it tough at the moment with energy costs.
 
Yes I think the article is more about giving the European E.V sector a bit of a leg up, over this energy cost spike period, the EU car manufacturers must be finding it tough at the moment with energy costs.
In 2 years the opposite problem might exist.

Europe might find itself in a massive electricity glut as the natural gas gets switch on, right as all the additional renewable projects being pushed through now come online.
 
BMW to start and source the batteries similar to the Tesla 4680's.

BMW AG plans to buy electric-vehicle batteries from six new factories to be set up and run by companies including Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Ltd. and Eve Energy Co. as the world’s biggest luxury-car maker attempts to overhaul its supply chain.

Two plants each in Europe, China and North America will produce round lithium-ion cells that enable longer ranges and faster charging than the prismatic cells BMW currently uses, the company said Friday. At roughly half the cost, the technology is meant to bolster BMW’s planned “Neue Klasse” EV platform and follows Tesla Inc., which has been using a cylindrical shape for some time.

“We are approaching an enormous technology leap,” Frank Weber, BMW’s development chief, told reporters. He added that BMW’s suppliers have agreed to produce the cells with renewable energy only and partly use recycled cobalt, nickel and lithium to cut production-related carbon emissions by as much as 60%.

BMW will partner with CATL and Eve Energy to source the round cells in Europe and China, with the search for partners in North America still ongoing. The two American factories will be erected in a free-trade zone in the US, Canada or Mexico, BMW said. Each facility will have an annual production capacity of as much as 20 gigawatt-hours.

BMW said it has already awarded purchasing contracts worth a double-digit-billion-euro amount to CATL and Eve Energy. Part of the batteries are coming from CATL’s planned 7.3 billion euro ($7.3 billion) facility in Hungary that’s also due to supply Mercedes-Benz AG. Eve Energy will build and operate a second plant to make round cells in Europe.

Weber said Neue Klasse’s entry-level models may also use lithium iron-phosphate batteries, which are cheaper and don’t require nickel or cobalt, but offer less energy density and are heavier than the new round cells. The line’s top EVs will have a range of as much as 800 kilometers (497 miles) and charge from 10% to 80% in less than 30 minutes, he said.
 
The engineering of ICE vehicles changed a lot since the 1970's oil crisis.

The Yanks started building more compact cars , very few of these still around.

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I don't think that you have visited the US lately. I was there in 2017, the big 1970's style sedans are gone but roads are full of big Utes (pick-ups) and SUVs. A lot of Camry sized cars around, though the Camry of the 1980's was a lot smaller to the Camry of today.

"Cars are getting bigger to match Americans’ desire for more space. In 2019, the Big Three U.S. automakers collectively began to abandon the small car and sedan segments because of decreasing market share. This means that more trucks, SUVs and crossovers fill Ford, General Motors, and Fiat Chrysler showrooms as these brands forecast increased demand for larger vehicles.
However, SUVs aren’t the only large vehicles on U.S. roads. Average car size across the board is increasing.
The country’s most popular car (the Toyota Camry), pickup truck (Ford’s F-150) and SUV/crossover (Toyota’s RAV4) each have multiple design generations and more than 25 years under their belts. Notably, these vehicles see consistent size increases each time they’re redesigned. As industry sales leaders, they set an example for other cars to follow: Bigger size means bigger demand."

 
Yes the cars have grown in size with the average size of humans increasing, I had a mini Cooper S in the 1970's, the wife and I and two kids plus the gear for the kids fit in no problems. Now when I see a mini, I wonder how we did it.
Then the wife reminds me I was 10stone 6lbs back then 66kg, now I'm 86kg.
 
Yeah, hamburgers and fries and their effects are tough to fit into compact cars.
 
Twiggies acquisition of Williams might actually be on a winner, as companies try and rationalise costs to transition to E.V's.


UK-based firm Williams Advanced Engineering (WAE) – owned by Australian iron ore mining company Fortescue Metals Group (FMG) – has revealed a new electric hypercar platform, set to enter production in 2024.
Williams Advanced Engineering is a former subsidiary of the Williams Formula One racing team, and was acquired by FMG earlier this year for $310 million.
The WAE EVR is a ready-built electric-car platform which car makers of any size can purchase from the engineering company, rather than investing in the development of their own bespoke architectures – similar to the company's EVX platform revealed last year.

The EVR’s modular platform has been developed to cater for various hypercar configurations, from open or fixed-roof layouts to track-only machines.
According to WAE, the EVR can be purchased in either rear- or all-wheel drive layouts, with the latter developing up to 1650kW from its four electric motors.
Williams Advanced Engineering claims the EVR is capable of accelerating from zero to 100km/h in less than two seconds – providing the company which uses the platform can keep the vehicle's kerb weight below 1800kg.
Mounted in the middle of the EVR’s lightweight composite chassis is an 85kWh lithium-ion battery, delivering a claimed driving range of more than 450km with the ability to fast-charge in less than 20 minutes.
Williams Advanced Engineering is the supplier of the batteries used in Formula E, the world's premier open-wheel electric racing series.
The UK engineering firm is also developing a hydrogen-powered variant dubbed the EVR-H, with the car’s fuel cell designed to drop in place of the existing battery pack.
 

This may help answer some questions -

 
One suggestion that could be relatively swiftly implemented would be to increase the vehicle tax on diesel and petrol cars.
Trouble with that is it's a kick straight in the face to lower income earners especially.

I wouldn't call myself a socialist but some balance is needed. People do need to be able to afford it and many won't be driving an EV this side of 2035 at the earliest.

I'm firmly of the view that existing ICE cars ought remain fully usable, without politicians coming up with artificial costs and so on, for the remainder of their lifespan for that reason.
 
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