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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.8%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.6%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 37 18.8%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.7%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    197
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qldfrog said:
Wont be long before some of my ignore list read it on their ABC, but worthwhile linking here
www.abc.net.au

'Bold' plan to ditch 8,000 diesel buses in Sydney for electric fleet delayed by five years because of cost

The NSW government concedes a "bold goal" of transitioning Sydney buses from diesel to electric by 2030 is no longer possible — extending the timeline to reach net zero across the transport fleet.
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I guess people are finding out that the green sky is further away than they thought.

Full marks for the intent, but maybe not enough homework done beforehand.

Who says only Labor stuffs up implementation?
 
JohnDe said:
Catch up ?
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Keep up yourself.

You are confusing market share/% new sales with % of the existing fleet. Only the % of the existing fleet is relevant to the impact on the electricity grid, not the % of new vehicle sales which are EVs (that figure, which you are using, is completely irrelevant to the current situation in this context).

But, hey, even if it was 5 or 10% of the current fleet being EVs already, the point would still be entirely relevant - people are already being told not to charge their cars due to infrastructure and supply issues, and the plan is to increase the total fleet percentage to multiples of that figure of EVs. Even if your figure was relevant and correct, we'd not be looking at a fractional increase in the number of EVs, we'd still be looking at multiples, and you didn't even try to address what would still be the relevant issue, but with the actual figures, it's much worse.

If you're going to tell someone else to catch up, make sure you're not currently way behind them.
 
@wayneL

Here is a video showing some of the options for charging trucks (and could be used for trains).

As you can see there is even options for charging the trucks and trains on the go.

As the trucks drive along their route back to their unload areas they can charge by utilising over head wires to continually top up on each cycle, trains could use this concept in the crossing the Nullarbor situation you were worried about, it wouldn’t be to hard to set up some charging locations along the Nullarbor line with a few kilometres of over head wires every so often.

 
Value Collector said:
@wayneL

Here is a video showing some of the options for charging trucks (and could be used for trains).

As you can see there is even options for charging the trucks and trains on the go.

As the trucks drive along their route back to their unload areas they can charge by utilising over head wires to continually top up on each cycle, trains could use this concept in the crossing the Nullarbor situation you were worried about, it wouldn’t be to hard to set up some charging locations along the Nullarbor line with a few kilometres of over head wires every so often.

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That would make more sense to me, if achievable financially, and most importantly, sustainable in a maintenance sense.
 
wayneL said:
That would make more sense to me, if achievable financially, and most importantly, sustainable in a maintenance sense.
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Once set up it’s probably cheaper than paying for diesel, especially with the added cost of diesel trucks to deliver the diesel to the remote area.

In Germany they have put power lines over a motorway so trucks driving down the freeway can charge.

The possibilities are almost endless, but those scarecrow videos you like to watch will only show you negative side.

 
Value Collector said:
Once set up it’s probably cheaper than paying for diesel, especially with the added cost of diesel trucks to deliver the diesel to the remote area.

In Germany they have put power lines over a motorway so trucks driving down the freeway can charge.

The possibilities are almost endless, but those scarecrow videos you like to watch will only show you negative side.

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They are not scarecrow videos. They highlight technical limitations of battery powered EVs *in the Australian context*.

IOW unless the political landscape here substantively changes with regards to power, it is unlikely a meaningful large scale conversion to EVs will be achievable.

What is achievable overseas is very much less so here.
 
wayneL said:
They are not scarecrow videos. They highlight technical limitations of battery powered EVs *in the Australian context*.

IOW unless the political landscape here substantively changes with regards to power, it is unlikely a meaningful large scale conversion to EVs will be achievable.

What is achievable overseas is very much less so here.
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Thanks @wayneL

Context is everything.

Some in the Ville have Teslas, I do not envy them.

Oh, I'm in the market for a new pre-owned Bentley, preferably an Arnage T as my man Švejk's vision is not the best and a change to a familiar model would suit him better. Should any of your horsey clients have one a laying about I'd appreciate it if you let them know.

EV's I am very much in favour of for the metropolitan masses travelling from their little boxes to work advancing the value of my stocks, but as for a quick trip from here to Darwin or Cooloongatta they are totally insufficient.

And Tesla owners appear to be so "common", new money, "colourful characters", not that I am a snob.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Thanks @wayneL

Context is everything.

Some in the Ville have Teslas, I do not envy them.

Oh, I'm in the market for a new pre-owned Bentley, preferably an Arnage T as my man Švejk's vision is not the best and a change to a familiar model would suit him better. Should any of your horsey clients have one a laying about I'd appreciate it if you let them know.

EV's I am very much in favour of for the metropolitan masses travelling from their little boxes to work advancing the value of my stocks, but as for a quick trip from here to Darwin or Cooloongatta they are totally insufficient.

And Tesla owners appear to be so "common", new money, "colourful characters", not that I am a snob.

gg
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First words of a snob "not that I am a snob."

My business is automotive related. Talk about EVs coming on line has been around for 20 years, the industry has been sending out information, news and conduction seminars intermittently since then. In the past few years there has been a marked increased in education courses & licensing certificates.

About 6 years ago we decided to look into purchasing an EV for in house testing and familiarisation, due to the increase interest and questions from customers and clients. At the time there wasn't much choice and our first look was at the Hyundai, but it wasn't quite ready, we put the idea on the back burner.

A few years back the Tesla M3 came to Australia, the pricing wasn't too bad and while we watched the price dropped. After some initial assessment and business discussion it was decided that the Tesla M3 was, at that time, the best EV for us and our crew to study and gain experience from.

With about 14 months of ownership we have had a lot of fun learning from it. We have driven country kilometers and traveled interstate with it, pulled things off and studied the parts we need to know about.

It always makes me laugh when people start telling me about the problems with an EV and how bad they are, without having driven one.

EVs are still in the early stages, about where ICEV were when adventurous people drove them into desolate places and created competitions like the Red X Trial.

thedriven.io

First Model Y owners to do "big lap" of Australia highlight EV charging "desolation"

Harald Murphy and Pete Petrovsky had no illusions about the challenges as they set off - in opposite directions - on a big lap of Australia in two Tesla Model Ys.
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New models coming -

UPDATED: August 30, 2022​


The electric vehicle race has well and truly started in Australia.
It had a slow start, with minimal incentives pushing supply towards more EV-friendly regions in recent years.

Now, over 30 new or facelifted electric vehicles are expected to arrive locally within the next two years – and there’s still more to be announced.

In particular, the next 12 months will be spearheaded by a high number of launches, due to either the ongoing semiconductor chip shortage that delayed several 2022 arrivals, or the growing demand for electric vehicles in Australia.

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The prominence of battery-electric vehicles (BEVs) has been expanded by rising fuel prices worldwide, with many seeking to reduce the ownership costs and environmental impact typically associated with internal-combustion vehicles.

British marque Jaguar predicts two-thirds of Australians will be driving electric vehicles by 2028, but the internal-combustion engine (ICE) isn’t quite dead yet – and the cost of purchasing an EV is still quite high compared to an ICE vehicle.

However, traditional automakers including Audi, BMW, Ford, Mercedes-Benz, Nissan and Toyota, are paying strong attention to the EV rush.

Here is every electric vehicle slated to arrive in Australia in 2022 and beyond.
NOTE: This list will be updated frequently to add newly-confirmed EVs and remove models that have recently gone on sale locally.
To see all the new cars coming to Australia this year, check out our 2022 New Car Calendar story right here.

UPDATED: August 30, 2022​

Audi E-Tron GT​

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Built on the same platform as the Porsche Taycan, the 2022 Audi E-Tron GT will include a high-performance RS variant – becoming the first model from the RS sub-brand to go all-electric.

Power in the RS E-Tron GT comes from a 83.7kWh (93kWh gross) battery, which feeds two synchronous motors – a 175kW motor powers the front axle and is shared with the regular E-Tron GT, but the rear is larger and more powerful, at 335kW. Just like the Taycan, there’s a two-speed transmission on the rear axle, and a focus on coasting rather than recuperation to extend battery range.

Charge times will also be equivalent to the Taycan, with a maximum DC charging capacity of 270kW, for a theoretical 100 kilometres of driving range in five minutes. A 50kW DC charger boosts the battery from five to 80 per cent in around 1.5 hours, or a 22kW AC charger from 0-100 per cent in around 4.5 hours.

Australian specifications for the the 2022 Audi RS E-Tron GT have been announced, with pricing set to start from $249,700 before on-road costs when it arrives here in September.

BMW i7​

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The seventh-generation 2023 BMW 7 Series has made its debut, offering an all-electric variant for the first time ever.
Known as the i7, the fully-electric 7 Series will arrive in Australia during the fourth quarter of 2022
Initially, it will be available in entry-level xDrive60 guise, with the dual-motor powertrain pushing out up to 400kW and 745Nm, powered by a 101.7kWh battery pack. This allows the luxury sedan to boast a driving range of up to 625km.

BYD Dolphin​


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The Australian distributor of BYD, EVDirect, has confirmed that the burgeoning EV brand in Australia will add two models alongside its Atto 3 SUV, set to arrive some time in 2023.

The BYD Dolphin is a small hatchback, comparable to the Toyota Yaris, and is expected to become one of, if not, the cheapest electric vehicles on offer in Australia, with predictions of a mid-$30,000 price range floating about.

More local details will be confirmed closer to the model's arrival, however, there are two battery configurations on offer overseas – a 30.72kWh battery yielding approximately 300km of driving range, and a larger 44.93kWh battery yielding just over 400km.

Drive comes from a single electric motor and a single-speed transmision, with the smaller-battery Dolphin producing 70kW/180Nm, and the larger 44.93kWh vehicle producing 130kW/290Nm.

Pre-orders are expected to open in the latter months of 2023

BYD Seal​


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BYD's Seal sedan will also be making its way Down Under, expected to arrive with its Dolphin hatchback stablemate some time in 2023.

The ambitious Chinese sedan will rival the ubiquitous Tesla Model 3 on price.

Local specifications remain under wraps, however, in its domestic market of China, the BYD Seal is available with three powertrain configurations. The standard model is equipped with a 150kW electric motor at the rear, a 61.4kWh battery, and a real-world driving range of around 380km. BYD claims 550km, but this is tested on a new and more flattering CLTC (China Light Duty Vehicle Test Cycle) system, compared to local WLTP claims, which yield a much more realistic figure.

The long-range version of the BYD Seal utilises the same 61.4kWh battery, paired with a more powerful 230kW rear electric motor, delivering more speed and longer driving range. Again, BYD claims 700km on the NEDC cycle, though this will end up closer to 500km in the real-world. The flagship BYD Seal is the 390kW dual motor, all-wheel-drive version, boasting a bigger 82.5kWh battery and delivering a 3.8-second 0-100km/h time and a claimed CLTC cruising range of 650km (expect above 500km of real-world range).

Rear-drive models with the 61.4kWh battery can charge up to 110kW, while the larger 82.5kWh battery equipped cars can be charged up to 150kW.

Cupra Born​


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Volkswagen’s Spanish Cupra brand is entering the Australian market with a range of vehicles including its 2023 Born electric hatchback, which is expected to sell here for less than $55,000.

Cupra Australia has yet to divulge which Born variants it will import, with overseas options currently including two 58kWh cars with 150kW/350Nm and 170kW/350Nm motors, and a 77kWh version with a WLTP-rated driving range of around 540 kilometres.

In January 2022, the first local Born arrived for testing, ahead of a launch expected to occur in early 2023.

Ford E-Transit​


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A fully-electric version of Ford's iconic Transit van, the 2023 E-Transit, is expected to arrive in early 2023.

Under the skin is a 68kWh battery, which powers the E-Transit's 198kW and 430Nm electric motor, making it the most powerful Transit on offer in Australia.

It is hoped its 317-kilometre driving range will suit most urban commercial businesses.

Featuring both AC and DC charging, the E-Transit's 11.3 kW on-board charger is capable of delivering a 100 per cent charge in up to 8.2 hours – while a 15 to 80 per cent state of charge is achievable in 34 minutes when utilising 115kW DC fast-charging.

Genesis GV60​


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Based on the same E-GMP electric architecture as the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6, the 2023 Genesis GV60 adopts the brand’s latest design language, headlined by split front and rear lights.

Locally, the GV60 will be introduced with a dual-motor, all-wheel-drive version with 360kW/700Nm. This will later expand to include a mid-spec 234kW/605Nm tune, providing up to 470 kilometres of driving range.

GWM Ora​


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Ora is actually the name of Great Wall Motors' (GWM) EV sub-brand and could send models Down Under as part of the carmaker's plans to expand its portfolio beyond its eponymous utes and Haval SUVs.

The Chinese motoring giant has issued patents in Australia for different Ora models, including the all-electric Volkswagen Beetle-inspired Ora Cat, which will be launched in the UK next year, confirming it will be manufactured in right-hand-drive.

GWM Ora Europe CEO Xianghua Qiao told Wheels the carmaker is eyeing an entry into the Australian market.

“GWM already has a presence in Australia, and it depends on the market’s development. Maybe in the future we can see Ora on Australian streets.”

The comments solidify statements made by the company in June 2021, which suggested Ora models could be here as soon as 2022.

Hyundai Ioniq 6​


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Hyundai has revealed its swoopy 2023 Ioniq 6 electric sedan.

The futuristic EV has launched globally, with the sleek coupe said to be capable of driving more than 610 kilometres on a single charge.

Launching in Australia in the first half of 2023, the Ioniq 6 is expected to arrive locally in two highly-specced variants initially, offering both rear-wheel-drive and all-wheel-drive options – mirroring its Ioniq 5 sibling – though this is still to be officially confirmed.

Pricing has yet to be revealed, but it is expected to fall in the $70,000 to $80,000 bracket.

Kia Niro Plus​


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Based on the outgoing, first-generation Niro, the 2023 Kia Niro Plus is the Korean carmaker’s first ‘purpose-built vehicle’ (PBV). It's designed to be used as a taxi and ride-share vehicle, but will be available to Australian retail buyers in limited numbers.

Mercedes-Benz EQV​


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As the electric version of the luxurious V-Class people-mover, the EQV offers a pure-electric driving range of around 355 kilometres from a single charge (WLTP cycle), thanks to a 90kWh lithium-ion battery pack, with a 150kW/362Nm electric motor powering the front wheels.

Mercedes-Benz eVito Tourer​


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The people-mover version of the eVito panel van is designed for use as a taxi or hotel shuttle bus.

It uses the same powertrain as the EQV and has a slightly higher driving range of around 360km (WLTP).

Like the EQV, it is expected to arrive in Australia before the end of 2022.

Skoda Enyaq​


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Skoda has confirmed it is bringing its Enyaq iV electric SUV to Australia in both wagon and coupe form.

It was hoped the Enyaq would arrive Down Under this year, but according to the Czech marque’s local arm, it will now be available for order here from the second half of 2023.

Although it’s not yet known which Enyaq iV and Enyaq Coupe iV variants could come here, in the UK it is offered in five guises – starting from the entry-level Enyaq 60 producing 132kW/310Nm and a maximum driving range of 507km for around $60,000 before on-road costs, and topping out with the Enyaq 80X Sportline capable of 150kW/310Nm, able to travel 684km and priced at $87,500 excluding on-road costs.

Subaru Solterra​


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Subaru's first electric vehicle is bound for Australia next year.

The 2023 Subaru Solterra electric SUV will arrive locally in mid-2023, as an identical twin to the Toyota BZ4X (see below).

"We are excited to confirm Subaru Australia will continue its electrification journey with the introduction of our first battery-electric vehicle, the Solterra, in 2023," said Blair Read, managing director of Subaru Australia

Tesla Model Y​


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Three years since its global debut, local details for the 2023 Tesla Model Y have been announced.

The medium-sized Model Y will arrive in the coming months, priced from $72,300 before on-road costs in entry-level RWD guise.

A flagship Performance variant is also offered for $96,700, plus on-roads and Luxury Car Tax.

The spacious SUV features similar specs to the popular Model 3, but in a taller, more spacious body, packing a 190kW motor on the rear axle in base trim.

Demand for the Model Y is strong in Australia, with recent orders unlikely to arrive before February 2023.

Toyota BZ4X​


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After leading the way with hybrid and hydrogen vehicles, Toyota took a long time to join the BEV party, but it's about to do so with a Kluger-sized model built on a bespoke e-TNGA EV platform developed with Subaru.

Volkswagen ID.4 and ID.5​


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Volkswagen Australia has confirmed the ID.4 medium SUV and its ID.5 coupe SUV twin will arrive locally from 2023.

The confirmation is a long time coming for the local distributor, which has previously criticised the former Australian Government for its lack of electric-vehicle strategy.

Volvo C40​


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Volvo has announced local pricing and features for the 2023 C40 Recharge coupe SUV, ahead of its arrival in the third quarter of 2022.

Starting out at $74,990 before on-road costs, the model jumps up to $82,490 for the dual-motor variant.
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SirRumpole said:
I guess people are finding out that the green sky is further away than they thought.

Full marks for the intent, but maybe not enough homework done beforehand.

Who says only Labor stuffs up implementation?
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A classic case of politics getting in the way of practicality.

Moving to an EV bus fleet = good idea.

Doing it by 2030 = only if the start date was a long time before now.

Politicians fall into two categories - those who won't get off their *** and do anything and those who are "bull at a gate" and want it done yesterday. Both fail. :2twocents
 
JohnDe said:
As EVs drive a mining revolution, will Australia become a battery minerals superpower?

If we don't, then heads should role amongst government and industry leaders.

www.abc.net.au

EV makers are so desperate for battery minerals, they're going direct to Australian mines

A cocktail of minerals is needed to make EV batteries and Australia has them in abundance. But will the country capitalise on its natural resources advantage?
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An Australian company building batteries in Australia -

 
Another great video. The Electric Viking is pretty gungho about this factory, lets hope the excitement is matched or better still exceeded by reality.
The only question i might have about the location of the factory is that Tomago is surrounded on three sides by the waters of the Hunter river, which had major floods three times this year.
Maybe by the time it gets that close to the coast, the flooding is mitigated by its proximity to the sea.
Mick
 

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