Yes I think Perth is going to trail electric buses.Once set up it’s probably cheaper than paying for diesel, especially with the added cost of diesel trucks to deliver the diesel to the remote area.
In Germany they have put power lines over a motorway so trucks driving down the freeway can charge.
The possibilities are almost endless, but those scarecrow videos you like to watch will only show you negative side.
I hope at the very least they will be on wheels, not track to allow a slight degree of freedom and avoid Melbourne nightmareYes I think Perth is going to trail electric buses.
We humans are strange creatures, constantly re inventing the wheel.
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What, you mean like Russia.I hope at the very least they will be on wheels, not track to allow a slight degree of freedom and avoid Melbourne nightmare
What, you mean like Russia.
Or China.
I remember in Perth quite a few years ago, there was a suggestion of changing over to electric trolley busses, that would use dedicated roadways, rather than putting in train services, the general public didn't like the idea, how times change.
You never know, that may be the way of the future, it would certainly alleviate the issue of running lightly loaded trains.
When we were in St Petersburgh three, or four years ago, they had the trolley buses with the trailing arms on top, I thought at the time they looked like a good idea.
Look just the same.I was in San Francisco in 2017 and saw these driving around -
Europe was doing that too etc..so that your train is not blocked by an accident or a doubled parked car..but nowadays, the aim being to avoid car traffic, we are back to rail on dedicated corridors taken on previously existing roads:What, you mean like Russia.
Or China.
I remember in Perth quite a few years ago, there was a suggestion of changing over to electric trolley busses, that would use dedicated roadways, rather than putting in train services, the general public didn't like the idea, how times change.
You never know, that may be the way of the future, it would certainly alleviate the issue of running lightly loaded trains.
When we were in St Petersburgh three, or four years ago, they had the trolley buses with the trailing arms on top, I thought at the time they looked like a good idea.
at least these do not need lithium batteries and can run during the day with cheap solar powerEurope was doing that too etc..so that your train is not blocked by an accident or a doubled parked car..but nowadays, the aim being to avoid car traffic, we are back to rail on dedicated corridors taken on previously existing roads:
new tramway, more congestion for cars..double win for the watermelons
Look just the same.
Australia doesn't like change, it's a bit like the Holden and Falcon story, we don't want to lose them, but we don't want to buy them.
Public transport, we need more of it, but I would rather use the car.
Contradictory BS. If Australia, or rather Australians, didn't like change, they wouldn't have bought SUV's instead of sedans.Australia doesn't like change, it's a bit like the Holden and Falcon story, we don't want to lose them, but we don't want to buy them.
More contradictory BS. So why do we need more of it if you're not going to use it?Public transport, we need more of it, but I would rather use the car.
Public transport has a lot in common with broadcast TV and radio.Public transport, we need more of it, but I would rather use the car.
Fully agree but does not fit with the agendas.Public transport has a lot in common with broadcast TV and radio.
It's a "one size fits all" approach that delivers exactly the same thing to lots of people at exactly the same time.
It's the ultimate example of the 20th Century business model - here's your curated choice of music, here's your movie, you read this news, you wear these clothes, you follow this religion, you follow this sporting code in winter and this other one in summer, you work these hours and here's your transport. That basically is the approach to business of last century - mass scale production of identical products "one size fits all".
For everyone old enough to have memories from last century, your memories are the same as everyone else your age for that exact reason. You had the same toys, you wore the same clothes, your parents worked the same hours, you listened to the same music as a teenager, you watched the same TV shows and movies, you wore the same clothes and so on. From a transport perspective that meant lots of people going to the same place at the same time which suits public transport just perfectly.
That still has some use today but it's very much waning. Today it's all about individuality and choice.
We're now in a world where everything from music to fashion to working hours are highly fragmented. We still have a few big things, we still have AFL and we still have big concerts and so on but overall fragmentation is the order of the day. Once vaunted things like music charts aren't even all that relevant to the masses anymore, it's no longer important to be doing, and more to the point seen to be doing, what everyone else is doing. It's OK to be yourself in 2022 - the "cookie cutter" days are over.
In 2022 there's far fewer people wanting to travel to and from the same place at the same time simply because there's far fewer people doing the same things at all and even for those who are, they're not doing them at the same time. We don't have tens of thousands of people all clocking on at the same big factories in the same area of the city at about the same time anymore. Basically no employer in 2022 has its own dedicated train station these days and there aren't many that even get a dedicated bus service now. Apart from city CBD's and a few major events, basically nothing else has enough people going to the same place all at once and even the CBD is losing that aspect.
That overall societal shift doesn't kill public transport outright but it does place it in the same category as broadcast TV and radio, organised religion and counting down the Top 40 songs. Still exists, it's not dead, but it's far less relevant than it used to be and for many it's lost all relevance completely.
The motor car is here to stay. How it's powered might change but it's not going away as such no matter what some may wish for. Society's fragmentation simply doesn't work without it.
Exactly, the irony of it, Australia didn't want to lose the Australian car industry, but didn't buy the Holden or Ford badged SUV's in any great number. Definitely not enough to warrant retooling their factories, if there had been a public push and commitment to buy Australian, maybe the industry could have been saved.Contradictory BS. If Australia, or rather Australians, didn't like change, they wouldn't have bought SUV's instead of sedans.
Why we need more of it (public transport)? To try and encourage more people off the roads and onto public transport to reduce congestion and emissions.More contradictory BS. So why do we need more of it if you're not going to use it?
Love and kisses,
Bruce.
In western Europe, especially France, they have installed trams to every major and minor city with free parking at the terminus to stop the centre being crowded. So you buy your tram ticket and travel stress free while your car gets free parking (as long as you bought a tram ticket).Turn it up, Keith. From what I've observed, you typically label ANY opinion different to yours as BS.
Every city that ripped up their tram systems now regrets it. Some are reintroducing them. Some, like Canberra, never had them. Those systems will ultimately be successful (as long as they're not monorails, lol). Public transport patronage is driven by supply, not demand.
Love and kisses,
Bruce.
I dont think I have ever told any poster that they are talking BS, you are obviously confusing my postings with your own.Turn it up, Keith. From what I've observed, you typically label ANY opinion different to yours as BS.
Every city that ripped up their tram systems now regrets it. Some are reintroducing them. Some, like Canberra, never had them. Those systems will ultimately be successful (as long as they're not monorails, lol). Public transport patronage is driven by supply, not demand.
Love and kisses,
Bruce.
And it still has the overwhelming majority of passenger transport provided by cars,Melbourne now has the most tram and light rail route lines of any city in the world. Still being extended.
Spot on Knobby, I love going to Melbourne and using the public transport system, it is terrific.In western Europe, especially France, they have installed trams to every major and minor city with free parking at the terminus to stop the centre being crowded. So you buy your tram ticket and travel stress free while your car gets free parking (as long as you bought a tram ticket).
Melbourne now has the most tram and light rail route lines of any city in the world. Still being extended.
It is the future, along with electric bikes and standard bikes.
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