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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%

  • Total voters
    198
Agreed, the oil industry grew out of almost no where from scratch and now their is petrol stations on every corner and a global supply chain network.

With EV’s the aren’t starting from scratch there is already electrical grids pretty much nationwide, augmenting it to charge cars is very simple compared to building out the ICE car fuel system.
 
With EV’s the aren’t starting from scratch there is already electrical grids pretty much nationwide, augmenting it to charge cars is very simple compared to building out the ICE car fuel system.
The one difference is that back when petrol stations, oil refineries etc were being built it was a matter of someone buying some land and doing it.

Today there's massively more red tape to get anything built so it's far slower to go from concept to completion.
 
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Watch this type of work increase and new conversion businesses pop up.

"In the States, electro-modding is already a thriving business, so Tim turned to NetGain in the USA for its off-the-shelf HyPer9 motor and on-board charging and battery management systems."

 
Nice car: like range and regen braking but far too exp for our need as a small car.a decent option for a family car..with kids and city driving
 
Received an email today -


Acquisition of Chargefox by Australian Motoring Services​


Dear John,
We are pleased to announce that Australian Motoring Services (AMS) has recently acquired Australia’s largest EV charging network, Chargefox. The new ownership will accelerate the expansion of Chargefox’s state-of-art EV charging network giving more Australian EV drivers better access to world-leading charging technology right across the country.

Chargefox is the biggest and fastest growing open charging network in Australia for modern EVs. It has been operating charging stations across Australia and New Zealand since late 2017 and has managed more than 500,000 charging sessions for drivers via its iPhone and Android mobile apps.

The acquisition will see Chargefox refocus with renewed support on its ambitious target to have more than 5,000 EV plugs to be made available at stations across the country and 2,000 of those offering fast and/or ultra-rapid charging speeds (allowing you to charge to 80% or more during a coffee break).

Chargefox will continue to operate as Australia’s largest EV charging network after the acquisition, with the broadened support of the AMS. The accelerated rollout of the network has broad-reaching benefits, as it allows for further local and long-distance EV travel, giving more Australian EV drivers better access to world-leading charging technology right across the country.

The partnership also provides an opportunity to accelerate Chargefox’s mission to reduce road transport emissions to zero. To date, Chargefox has powered more than 14 million carbon-free kms and abated more than 4,000 tonnes of CO2 (equivalent to more than 2 million kilos of coal burnt).

The investment sets AMS and Chargefox up for continued success to build out the EV charging infrastructure needed to allow mass adoption of EVs and help create a cleaner backbone for a cleaner future. Chargefox’s multiple partnerships with car manufacturers mean that Australians can confidently purchase an EV backed by the Chargefox network.

As a valued partner, the acquisition is a win for Chargefox users and commercial customers, including car rental and fleet companies. Backed by the AMS, Chargefox’s scale and pace of building will now be supercharged and will be able to deliver more charging solutions to the wider network, quicker.

We’ll share more details and a FAQ document in the coming days. Please direct any queries to info@chargefox.com.
Kind regards,
Marty Andrews
CEO and Co-Founder
Chargefox
 
Well in W.A the chargefox installations that are not working might get fixed now.
 
Part of the mix..
Moneu has first to go to the grid idf we want widespread EV take up..
Remember that this is not the plan, the plan is fewer individual cars.
 
Another mindless dribble fest, possibly funded by businesses that want further incentives, to help them reduce their fuel bill.
Reduce the tax a business has to pay for an E.V, take a Hyundai Kona for example, well I ordered one over 4 months ago and I still don't know when it will arrive, so how giving tax incentives to business to extend the queue would help is beyond me.?
Good on the Govt helping the little guy.?
From the article:
To illustrate the price gap between EVs and the equivalent ICEVs, the report uses the example of a Hyundai Kona EV, which was $28,900 more expensive than the ICEV version
With last week's new FBT exemption, that price gap drops to a bit over $20,000. (That's assuming the business has to pay FBT on its work vehicles, which isn't always the case).


It's good to see that the everyday Aussie can get a tax reduction on a family car, the coalition helping their mates again? Well one would think it was the coalition, if you followed the narrative.
But no, there is very little being said about it, that's weird isn't it.?
 
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It looks like the expected Govt incentives are going to be mopped up, by the manufacturers.


Dealers have advised customers their existing orders will not be price protected – meaning customers will need to accept the price rise to keep their place in the queue, or cancel their order and have their deposit refunded.
 
Looks like news is coming thick and fast, BYD taking a breath before maybe giving their bad news, hope the Govt incentives improve, the last lot seem to be getting absorbed a bit like housing stimulus.?
 
I would recommend some of our members stop reading the ABC which is now more suited to discussion on the sex or non sex of anges than any technical, economic or scientific article.
The sex of the angels was the debate during the fall of Constantinople,while Rome was more concerned about sports if i remember well .. in 2022 people wave Ukrainian or rainbow flags from their Tesla...history repeats
Was ready an article stating a household with a tesla requires 75kwh capacity out of a 100 max available in domestic connection.
And only 3 at a time out of 25 can be handed by the current grid..unsure if US or Oz...
Anyone can confirm..or not?
Or if the figures are accurate as i found an error in another chapter of that story
 
 
Most single phase home supplies are 60A, so about 15Kw, if you have 3phase on that is obviously more, the limiting factor will be the distribution transformer, the one that is usually up the top of the pole in one of your nearby streets.
With the uptake being so slow due to to E.V supply issues, it probably isn't an problem, but if it accelerated and a lot of people in the same area bought E.V's the volt drop would start to show up and the transformer would have to be beefed up in all probability.
The slower the uptake, the easier the integration.
 

Exactly. It's a shame that the previous debates were/are about EV rebates rather than infrastructure.

"What solar panels were to the mid-2000s, electric vehicles will be to the 2020s and beyond. But if they are plugged in unchecked without clear policy leadership they will wreak havoc on the electricity grid.
"For our electricity sector, mass adoption of EVs will be a major new load on the system. The average Australian house uses 5000 kilowatt hours of electricity a year. Adding an EV will increase that by about 3500 kilowatt hours – a 70 per cent increase.
"That’s a lot more electrons flowing through your meter and, importantly, through the poles and wires running down your street. How much new investment will be required in those poles and wires (and therefore cost to electricity customers) will depend on how smart we are with when we charge our EVs."
 
The smart chargers we were talking about the other day could prevent spikes in demand, as could night time charging.

After 12am when the hot water systems that began heating 2 hours earlier have shut off, the average neighbourhood would have huge amounts of spare capacity.
 
Where would all this spare capacity be coming from?
Obviously there will be no solar , so either lots of wind , battery, hydro, or geothermal(just kiddin).
Otherwise its still burning fossil fuels which defeat the purpose of the whole exercise.
Mick
 
That's true, but they wont be cheap, even a basic 7Kw charger is about $1,000. Also the install could be fairly expensive if your car parking is a fair way from your meter box.
It is an interesting topic and it isn't anything that can't be resolved so it will be resolved. When rooftop solar was introduced a lot of the distribution system had to be adjusted to accept the inflow, this wont be any different.
 
When looking at prices for a 7kw charger in the Noosa EV fests, charger cost was more $2k installed.
Was not expecting that...
 
Most people with Ev’s are paying to install chargers anyway, so a $1000 definitely isn’t a deal breaker, it’s about what they cost.

Also, Tesla chargers already use wifi so I can’t see why it wouldn’t be super easy to make a charger that can be controlled by your energy retailer using your wifi network.

Given that the energy retailer would love the ability to control your charging they may even subsidise the charger or provide you with ultra low super offpeak charging.

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If you drive a lot of Km’s then you will need to install a charger anyway, so it may as well be a smart charger, if you don’t drive enough km’s to make installing a charger worth it then you aren’t adding as much demand to the grid anyway.
 
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