Electric cars?

[mullokintyre]

Was looking at the Honda version of an EV.
From the initial photographs, I won't be rushing out to get one.
Apart from its ordinary range, I can't believe they have stuck the battery pack between the two axles and below the floor level.
An accident waiting to happen.
Mick

 

[mullokintyre]

The internet is a wonderful thing, but sometimes there is some seriously poor information and products put out.



Maybe its a free for all in nuw zulund, but I was taught in my truckin days you never tow anything of greater weight than the vehicle doing the towing, and the weight of the S varies between 1961 to 2250 kg depending on options.

Secondly, it must be fitted with electric brakes if towing more than 750 kg.
According to Whichcar, Teslas model S has a braked towing capacity of 2250 kg.
The problem is, I could not find what the Tesla GCM is.
As many unfortunate trailer/caravan towers have found out, the GCM ( combined mass of the mloaded vehicle and towed vehicle), will often prohibit towing up to the theoretical limit.
For instance, most of the current crop of 4wd utes boast a towing capacity of 3.5 tonnes.
Howoever , as most are limited to a GCM of 6 tonne or less, to actually tow a 3.5 tonne load, the towing vehicle has to be 2500 kg or less.
The unladen mass of my ford Ranger is 2350 kg, which means after I fill the 140 litre tank with fuel, neither my wife or I are allowed in the vehicle.
There are also axle weight limits both front and rear, which may well be overloaded once the 10% ball weight is added on the towbar.
I doubt it would be legally sold or fitted in Oz.
Mick

 

[Value Collector]

The internet is a wonderful thing, but sometimes there is some seriously poor information and products put out.

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Maybe its a free for all in nuw zulund, but I was taught in my truckin days you never tow anything of greater weight than the vehicle doing the towing, and the weight of the S varies between 1961 to 2250 kg depending on options.

Secondly, it must be fitted with electric brakes if towing more than 750 kg.
According to Whichcar, Teslas model S has a braked towing capacity of 2250 kg.
The problem is, I could not find what the Tesla GCM is.
As many unfortunate trailer/caravan towers have found out, the GCM ( combined mass of the mloaded vehicle and towed vehicle), will often prohibit towing up to the theoretical limit.
For instance, most of the current crop of 4wd utes boast a towing capacity of 3.5 tonnes.
Howoever , as most are limited to a GCM of 6 tonne or less, to actually tow a 3.5 tonne load, the towing vehicle has to be 2500 kg or less.
The unladen mass of my ford Ranger is 2350 kg, which means after I fill the 140 litre tank with fuel, neither my wife or I are allowed in the vehicle.
There are also axle weight limits both front and rear, which may well be overloaded once the 10% ball weight is added on the towbar.
I doubt it would be legally sold or fitted in Oz.
Mick

There is this one available in australia, they are saying up to 1850kg of towing, so you should be able to tow two horse float.

Tesla Model S Detachable Towbar MDC10748

Towbar specifics: Part number:MDC10748 Towbar system:Automatic Vertical Detachable Assembly weight:- Nose Weight:75 kg Braked Towing Weight:1850 kg Unbraked Towing Weight:750 kg Bumper Cuts:Non visible Fitting Instructions:Included Year of Vehicle:2012 > ADR Approved:Yes Fits With...

australiatowbars.com.au

 

[mullokintyre]

There is this one available in australia, they are saying up to 1850kg of towing, so you should be able to tow two horse float.

Tesla Model S Detachable Towbar MDC10748

Towbar specifics: Part number:MDC10748 Towbar system:Automatic Vertical Detachable Assembly weight:- Nose Weight:75 kg Braked Towing Weight:1850 kg Unbraked Towing Weight:750 kg Bumper Cuts:Non visible Fitting Instructions:Included Year of Vehicle:2012 > ADR Approved:Yes Fits With...

australiatowbars.com.au

the blurb on the website says "ADR Quality", not ADR compliant.
That European styled gooseneck look far too small to pass muster.
Mick

 

[moXJO]

More video on his profile

 

[SirRumpole]

There is this one available in australia, they are saying up to 1850kg of towing, so you should be able to tow two horse float.

Tesla Model S Detachable Towbar MDC10748

Towbar specifics: Part number:MDC10748 Towbar system:Automatic Vertical Detachable Assembly weight:- Nose Weight:75 kg Braked Towing Weight:1850 kg Unbraked Towing Weight:750 kg Bumper Cuts:Non visible Fitting Instructions:Included Year of Vehicle:2012 > ADR Approved:Yes Fits With...

australiatowbars.com.au

$3,595 for a towbar ?

Is that a joke ?

 

[Boggo]

And if you make a distasteful post on social media your Tesla will be disabled for 7 days

 

[Value Collector]

$3,595 for a towbar ?

Is that a joke ?

Yep, it seems expensive doesn't it, I imagine the company making them is doing pretty low volume because there are not that many model S Teslas around, and very few of the people that own them probably want or need a Tow bar, there is one for about half the price, but it isn't rated for the same weight, I chose the heavy duty one because towing a horse float was being discussed in M's first post.

But, if all you want is something to put a bike hitch on or tow a jets there seems to be cheaper options.

 

[qldfrog]

The EV tanks will have to carry portable petrol generators for recharge !

When you think about it:
actually, non Nuclear powered submarines are just that: EVs resurfacing from time to time to start diesel generators and recharge batteries...
Do not give that tank idea to our Gretas, or we will see the west go to war with power cable extensions next...

 

[wayneL]

Discuss

 

[Smurf1976]

Discuss

I'm familiar enough with Australia's power stations to say that's not an accurate representation of any of them so it's definitely overseas. Since someone seems to have placed a castle to the right of the cooling towers it's most likely somewhere in Europe.

Second issue, for some reason there's black stuff coming out the cooling towers. That's truly alarming.....

Third, the electric car for some reason still seems to have a fuel filler flap.

Fourth, the driver seems to be driving down the middle of the road and not keeping in lane. That's dangerous regardless of how the car's powered.

 

[sptrawler]

Discuss

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Another thing that is silly about that picture is, with the efficiency of diesel particulate filters today, there is no reason for smoke to be coming out of the exhaust of a diesel these days.
My last two vehicles have been 4x4 over two tonne and neither blew any smoke, also the current one which Ive traded on the EV returns about 8.5kl/l which isnt bad for a 2.3T vehicle that can tow 3.5T and can do 1,000kl on 90l of fuel when not towing.
It is just another example of misinformation, that actually makes the thinking public hesitant as to the validity of the narrative IMO.

 

[Value Collector]

Hahaha, Wayne you are the perfect example of being able to lead a horse to water but not make him think.

I have already linked you to information giving you stats on petrol cars vs electric cars recharged by a grid supplied by diversified sources of energy.

 

[wayneL]

It's a meme, bros... Using the same imagery as the Greens.

"C'mon Man"

 

[qldfrog]

I'm familiar enough with Australia's power stations to say that's not an accurate representation of any of them so it's definitely overseas. Since someone seems to have placed a castle to the right of the cooling towers it's most likely somewhere in Europe.

Second issue, for some reason there's black stuff coming out the cooling towers. That's truly alarming.....

Third, the electric car for some reason still seems to have a fuel filler flap.

Fourth, the driver seems to be driving down the middle of the road and not keeping in lane. That's dangerous regardless of how the car's powered.

Here in Panama, the power station smoke is yellow, fueled on oil.i believe they could start making safety mates from the fumes.not good.
About the picture: any Qld tesla driver charging on the grid is a match or was 12 m ago when i last checked.
It is dynamic due to increasing part of green power.
But also worthwhile looking at losses in network, charging and discharge of battery vs ice..low.. efficiency.
Computations were done deep in that thread

 

[rederob]

I'm familiar enough with Australia's power stations to say that's not an accurate representation of any of them so it's definitely overseas. Since someone seems to have placed a castle to the right of the cooling towers it's most likely somewhere in Europe.

Second issue, for some reason there's black stuff coming out the cooling towers. That's truly alarming.....

Third, the electric car for some reason still seems to have a fuel filler flap.

Fourth, the driver seems to be driving down the middle of the road and not keeping in lane. That's dangerous regardless of how the car's powered.

He's going to be booked for not wearing a seatbelt!

 

[JohnDe]

After driving 1700+km through two states starting Friday morning and getting home Monday night, I just added up the cost and came up with $131.51 And I wasn't driving with economy in mind.

I used Tesla Superchargers for all but one charge, thought I'd try and Evie charger. Evie is cheaper than the Tesla chargers, though it took me a bit to find because the map address wasn't quite right but I figured it out in a few minutes. The Evie charger was at the back of the local Art Gallery in a major town centre, the phone app was giving me the main street at the location.

All charging was done while we stopped to eat or a get a coffee. We stopped and charged more than required because we like to have a walk and look around when traveling, so used those stops to top up. The Evie charger finished before we had completed our tour of the gallery.

At no point were we concerned about running out of energy.



Evie charge

Energy Fee	0.40 AUD /kWh
Energy Distributed	53.379 kWh
Energy Cost	21.35 AUD

 

[sptrawler]

At no point were we concerned about running out of energy.

Even the standard range Tesla, covers a decent distance.

 

[Value Collector]

After driving 1700+km through two states starting Friday morning and getting home Monday night, I just added up the cost and came up with $131.51 And I wasn't driving with economy in mind.

I used Tesla Superchargers for all but one charge, thought I'd try and Evie charger. Evie is cheaper than the Tesla chargers, though it took me a bit to find because the map address wasn't quite right but I figured it out in a few minutes. The Evie charger was at the back of the local Art Gallery in a major town centre, the phone app was giving me the main street at the location.

All charging was done while we stopped to eat or a get a coffee. We stopped and charged more than required because we like to have a walk and look around when traveling, so used those stops to top up. The Evie charger finished before we had completed our tour of the gallery.

At no point were we concerned about running out of energy.

View attachment 139322

Evie charge

Energy Fee	0.40 AUD /kWh
Energy Distributed	53.379 kWh
Energy Cost	21.35 AUD

Even lower everyday running costs when you are charging from home.

 

[SirRumpole]

After driving 1700+km through two states starting Friday morning and getting home Monday night, I just added up the cost and came up with $131.51 And I wasn't driving with economy in mind.

I used Tesla Superchargers for all but one charge, thought I'd try and Evie charger. Evie is cheaper than the Tesla chargers, though it took me a bit to find because the map address wasn't quite right but I figured it out in a few minutes. The Evie charger was at the back of the local Art Gallery in a major town centre, the phone app was giving me the main street at the location.

All charging was done while we stopped to eat or a get a coffee. We stopped and charged more than required because we like to have a walk and look around when traveling, so used those stops to top up. The Evie charger finished before we had completed our tour of the gallery.

At no point were we concerned about running out of energy.

View attachment 139322

Evie charge

Energy Fee	0.40 AUD /kWh
Energy Distributed	53.379 kWh
Energy Cost	21.35 AUD

Pretty much everyone is convinced about the economics of EV's by now. They will sell like hot cakes as long as the supply is there, and so far it isn't.