Range anxiety is still an issue, whether it is a problem or not doesnt matter, people can get a cheaper car that doesnt have range anxiety and costs half the price.I agree current Electric models are more expensive than the cheapest ICE, but a lot of people are already buying expensive ICE cars anyway, for them the transition would be easy.
Also, the more a person drives the higher their fuel and maintenance costs each month and hassle of refuelling, So if someone is driving long distances daily commuting to work, the cheaper the EV option becomes they may even be able to borrow an extra $30,000 for the EV and still have lower monthly expenses than if they bought an ICE car depending on how far you drive.
Range Anxiety is for people that don’t actually own electric cars, haha.Range anxiety is still an issue, whether it is a problem or not doesnt matter, people can get a cheaper car that doesnt have range anxiety and costs half the price.
The car I just ordered is costing $67k I could have bought it in Ice for $33k, the difference is a $hit load of fuel.
Looking purely at my own situation:Range Anxiety is for people that don’t actually own electric cars, haha.
It’s one of those problems that’s invented in the minds of the inexperienced and people ignorant of the actual realities.
Picking it up sounds rather heavy.....So when are you picking up an EV @Smurf1976 ?
As I said there will be some people with unique situations eg wanting to drive to remote locations regularly, but that’s not the norm.Looking purely at my own situation:
I've driven the same ICE around most of Australia except Qld and NT. At no time was obtaining fuel a problem or requiring of any particular effort.
Only time I've ever encountered an issue with fuel anywhere was in the UK and even that was just a volume purchase limit that was more than sufficient in practice. Was a £40 limit from memory. That said, well something like a war could change that obviously. I mean if Russia ever got offside with the West for example.....
Vast majority of my life, cars have been parked outside in the open indeed the current house is the first one I've lived in as an adult where that isn't the case, there's a garage.
That latter point wouldn't be particularly unusual. I haven't seen any figures on it but the portion of cars that would be parked in a garage to which electricity is available, or could be easily made available, would be a long way below 100%. Those who can will charge when parked but the portion who rely on public chargers isn't going to be significant, there's an awful lot of cars that are parked on the street or an open driveway.
Public charging facilities are a business opportunity here, noting that existing service stations aren't necessarily well suited as locations.
These countries will end up like Cuba from the 70's onwards.As this is an EV thread, let's get back to EVs for a sec.
The 26 millions of Australians are brainwashed and pushed in thinking that ICEs are dead andwe all need to go back to lithium battery cars..as they will be the only options and will save the planet.
Good summary?
Now,i have a decent exposure to the world,you know, what's behind the sea. It does exist....
So currently in latin America :
Cars are obviously needed here, and there is NO WAY rhey will use EV in any major way in the next 2 decades.
Power is intermittent, tend to grill appliance regularily, cars are patched up,and when you earn $2 an hour for the rich countries,you are not going to buy a tesla or even a byd...
So from US Mexican borders to the tip of ushuya...no EV for the next generation..yet they will drive more and more cars.
Indian continent, Africa....same same...
Even China.....
Plenty of electric scooters,EV busses taxis .but the rising middle class is getting cars. And they are all small ICE. Mr XI is not going to anger 1.5 billion of his people because of CO2 supposedly warming the planet,
Something 1.2 billions Chinese freezing 6m a year would actually like....
I doubt that more than 20% of the world can even think of EV for any substantial portion of their fleet.
It could be worthwhile for Australia to take a break there.
Anyway,always remember the old dying first world is just a small part of our world and there are more important things for the planet than opening lithium mines
Population demography, deforestation, waste management, water access...more than a look at my "woke me" Tesla
I think you underestimate the commercial awareness of chinese and india companies, and if they can be smart, local partners of US and European brands with relocated factory linesThese countries will end up like Cuba from the 70's onwards.
The west banned trade with Cuba so they had no access to used cars.
The cubans spent a lot of ingenuity keeping those old bangers going for years beyond their usefull life.
Because there will be no western manufacturers of ICE engined cars, these countries will have no ready supply, hence will rely on keeping old ICE engines going for years. The infrastructure and electricity supply is just not there(yet) to allow them to use EV's, even if these poorer countries could afford them.
I guess it may provide a supply for the "grey" market.
So many Japanese cars which are a statuary write off after ten years, end up in Pacific Island countries as well as African countries.
Perhaps they will find their way into South America as well.
Mick
So you are suggesting that China and India will keep producing ICE engined cars in relocated US and European factories for export those countries without the infrastructure to support a large EV fleet?I think you underestimate the commercial awareness of chinese and india companies, and if they can be smart, local partners of US and European brands with relocated factory lines
Not really as Hydrogen may well take over from BEVsThe 26 millions of Australians are brainwashed and pushed in thinking that ICEs are dead andwe all need to go back to lithium battery cars..as they will be the only options and will save the planet.
But EVs in Brazil are selling better than EVs in Australia.So currently in latin America :
Cars are obviously needed here, and there is NO WAY rhey will use EV in any major way in the next 2 decades.
Not good guesses. Tata are making NEVS in India and China is only second to Norway in NEV adoption.Indian continent, Africa....same same...
Even China.....
Chinese adoption of NEVs is now clearing the smog from many of their large cities and NEV purchasing trends up over 100% year on year.Mr XI is not going to anger 1.5 billion of his people because of CO2 supposedly warming the planet,
Something 1.2 billions Chinese freezing 6m a year would actually like....
Taxi fleets are already early adopters.I doubt that more than 20% of the world can even think of EV for any substantial portion of their fleet.
Not exactly, but yes they will still produce ICE cars both for themselves and for export to "3rd" world countries.So you are suggesting that China and India will keep producing ICE engined cars in relocated US and European factories for export those countries without the infrastructure to support a large EV fleet?
Mick
How hard is it to remove a petrol bowser and replace it with an EV charger? I don’t think installing the “Infrastructure” is going to be that hard, especially when you consider that ICE cars rely on public bowsers, so there is heaps of petrol stations, but most people will be charging at home, so less charging locations will be needed, and they can literally pop up anywhere basically over night, eg petrol stations can be incrementally converted, shopping centre car parks, highway rest stops etc you name it and you could put a charger there, not to mention every garage or driveway in australia.These countries will end up like Cuba from the 70's onwards.
The west banned trade with Cuba so they had no access to used cars.
The cubans spent a lot of ingenuity keeping those old bangers going for years beyond their usefull life.
Because there will be no western manufacturers of ICE engined cars, these countries will have no ready supply, hence will rely on keeping old ICE engines going for years. The infrastructure and electricity supply is just not there(yet) to allow them to use EV's, even if these poorer countries could afford them.
I guess it may provide a supply for the "grey" market.
So many Japanese cars which are a statuary write off after ten years, end up in Pacific Island countries as well as African countries.
Perhaps they will find their way into South America as well.
Mick
The new service stations being built in WA, seem to be configured to easily be converted, they also have several fast food outlets attached, yet atm they arent being heavily used.How hard is it to remove a petrol bowser and replace it with an EV charger? I don’t think installing the “Infrastructure” is going to be that hard, especially when you consider that ICE cars rely on public bowsers, so there is heaps of petrol stations, but most people will be charging at home, so less charging locations will be needed, and they can literally pop up anywhere basically over night, eg petrol stations can be incrementally converted, shopping centre car parks, highway rest stops etc you name it and you could put a charger there, not to mention every garage or driveway in australia.
I noticed a new service station near Bli Bli being built indeed near a power line major infrastructure.The new service stations being built in WA, seem to be configured to easily be converted, they also have several fast food outlets attached, yet atm they arent being heavily used.
They appear to be designed, in anticipation, when Im out that way I will take some photos and post them.
They can but with all of this devil is in the detail.Tesla chargers can be placed outside in your driveway or attached to the side of your house if you park out side in an open driveway or car port, and the cable can be quite long to service multiple cars.
Totally depends.How hard is it to remove a petrol bowser and replace it with an EV charger? I don’t think installing the “Infrastructure” is going to be that hard
I am not sure how common it is for people to park 10m away from their house, but you can get a Tesla charger with a 20ft cable on it, I would imagine that would reach the parking space of most people even if they had to attach it to the side of their house.They can but with all of this devil is in the detail.
If the charger's going on the house wall then easy.
If the charger's going out in the open 10+m away from the house, and it requires trenching through concrete to get the power to it, well that's a significant task to install it. Doubly so if the homeowner insists that no evidence of trenching work is permanently visible.
Etc. It's all down to case by case really.
I would imagine that installing some power infrastructure is no more difficult than installing new underground fuel tanks, which has to be done every so often at a fuel station.Totally depends.
Broadly speaking service stations are on main roads and HV electrical distribution feeders are also run down main roads. Broadly speaking because the existence of electrical infrastructure historically wasn't a consideration when siting a service station so the relationship is coincidental.
There are certainly service stations around where any kind of fast charger is going to require quite some work to get power to however. Not impossible to do it but far more $ than others.
The one nearest to me is in a good spot in that regard with overhead 11kV running right past and nothing other than grass separating that from the service station's property. Others won't be anywhere near so lucky.
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