Electric cars?

[orr]

Fantastic .... Ampol, makes billions from Oil, gets now not one but two, in the last few months, subsities and grants, in the billion$ from a Liberal Federal Government. .... Who would of thought? .... oh not just them? AGL on the tit as well.
And this is highlighted in an Electric Vehical thread as a grand achievment in 2021.
What next? Keith Pitt will be able to say the word 'Battery' out loud in public, rather than a screaming waking nightmare.

A National EV policy allows the Market( emphsis the Market) to make investment decisions allocating capital to enable profit by modeling futre need.
'there's a revolutionry economic concept'.
As opposed to adhoc pork barreling announcable distractions from compounding failure, as the one trawer linked above; that also represent an unnecessary cost to the Tax payer.

yeah typo Smurf...

 

[basilio]

Zero Labs has a imaginative business model. They build an electric car platform and then plonk old classic cars on top of them.

Zero Labs Automotive - Electric Vehicle Technology

Zero Labs, based in LA, specializes in industrial design, technology, and engineering. We provide Premium Classic Electric Vehicles, Net Zero Labs (NZL) readiness, and ZLABS Electric Platform manufacturing. Partner with us to streamline your electric classic vehicle conversions, benefiting from cost

www.zerolabs.com

Driving Zero Labs' electric Ford Bronco

www.topgear.com

 

[mullokintyre]

Zero Labs has a imaginative business model. They build an electric car platform and then plonk old classic cars on top of them.

Zero Labs Automotive - Electric Vehicle Technology

Zero Labs, based in LA, specializes in industrial design, technology, and engineering. We provide Premium Classic Electric Vehicles, Net Zero Labs (NZL) readiness, and ZLABS Electric Platform manufacturing. Partner with us to streamline your electric classic vehicle conversions, benefiting from cost

www.zerolabs.com

Driving Zero Labs' electric Ford Bronco

www.topgear.com

Theres lots.
My son has done some IT work for a company called Electric Car Conversions based in Melbourne.
EV north is another OZ outfit that has done an EV conversion on a 50's era Morris Minor .
I looked at a co called EV West that did a similar thing to Traction EV, but although their kit was marginally cheaper even after exchange losses and shipping, they could not or would not ship the Tesla batteries with the kit, I had to source them myself, which is why i ended up going for the Traction EV mob, which being OZ based , has no issue with shipping the batteries.
Mick

 

[sptrawler]

Vehicle to grid (V2G) trail results are starting to come in.

Gary earns money by plugging his car into the wall. What's the catch?

Owners of electric vehicles may soon be able to get paid for simply plugging their car into the wall. But there are a few things to consider first.

www.abc.net.au

 

[sptrawler]

Vehicle to grid (V2G) trail results are starting to come in.

Gary earns money by plugging his car into the wall. What's the catch?

Owners of electric vehicles may soon be able to get paid for simply plugging their car into the wall. But there are a few things to consider first.

www.abc.net.au

From the V2G post there are a few points ASF members should be aware of IMO, this is especially important if you are interested in the V2G side of the EV purchase.
The article also shows the importance of taking a steady, steady approach to BEV adoption and uptake and as I said the recently signed free trade agreement with the U.K will help enormously with Australia's transition to BEV's IMO.

The whole article is very interesting IMO, below are some excerpts from the article:


In July last year, one of the first Australian V2G trials began in the ACT, led by the Australian National University (ANU).

The two-year Realising Electric Vehicles-to-grid Services (REVS) trial would test V2G on a fleet of 51 mostly ACT Government EVs.

But it quickly hit a roadblock: bi-directional chargers (that can charge EV batteries and also export power from these batteries to the grid) had not been certified for use in Australia.
That's now been resolved and the newly certified chargers are on their way.
"I see the trial operating by the end of the year," said Geoffrey Rutledge, ACT government lead on emissions reduction.

By 2025, all new EVs will be V2G capable​

If all of Australia's 19 million cars were EVs, they would hold a truly staggering amount of energy.

Bjorn Sturmberg, research leader at ANU's Battery Storage and Grid Integration Program, which is leading the REVS trial, calculates it would be equivalent to more than 10,000 Tesla Big Batteries.

He said Australia was well placed to take advantage of V2G, due to it being a world leader in rooftop solar.

"Because of that, we have quite a lot of industry engagement from the electricity sector," he said.

But there's a long way to go.

The battery technology used in most EVs today, called CCS, is not compatible with V2G.

Of the cars sold in Australia, only the Nissan Leaf ZE1 and Mistubishi Outlander plug-in have V2G charging capability.

But that's due to change. By 2025, all new EVs will be V2G capable.

But the Australian Renewable Energy Agency (ARENA) still sees "enormous potential" in V2G, says its chief executive officer Darren Miller.

The agency is providing more than $7.5 million in funding for four projects looking into V2G and smart charging (charging EVs during off-peak hours), including the REVs trial.

"We have heard people talk about EVs as "batteries on wheels", and when you project forward the inevitable uptake of EVs in the years ahead, you can appreciate the huge energy storage potential that will exist in the EV fleet," Mr Miller said.

"In Australia we’re just beginning to start our V2G journey.

"It is really only just starting to kick off around the world, as no country has adopted the technology at scale yet.

"We expect to see a few more years of trials and a bigger range of V2G-enabled car models with a larger consumer uptake before things truly take off."

Whereas popping a solar panel on the roof to make power and use less energy from the grid is pretty straightforward and easy to understand, V2G is more complex, Dr Lucas-Healey said.

"You're giving a third-party permission to do things with your battery. It's a complex piece of kit interacting with a complex system, which is the grid."

A Facebook page for EV owners taking part in V2G trials in the UK is full of complaints about technological glitches and punitive tariffs.

Several participants said they would switch to vehicle-to-home charging (V2H) upon completing the trial. The main reason they took part in the trial was to collect a free bi-directional charger.

 

[mullokintyre]

The factory is being built super fast, and they are already loading equipment into it, the earnings call the the other day was done from a confrence room inside it.

we will see what Ford can do next year I guess, but yeah Tesla’s factory is not that far away from completion.

And right on cue, Tesla announces another delay.
From EngagedEt

Tesla’s electric pickup isn’t going anywhere this year. The company has quietly pushed the release of the electric pickup to next year. That's according to its configuration page, telling you that you'll get to customize your truck when "production nears in 2022." This applies regardless of model — single-motor trucks were always going to arrive later, but a new 2022 launch seems to for the dual- and tri-motor machines, too.

Tesla delivering on its promises has been a rare feat recently. Just last month, its semi truck was also pushed back to 2022, due to supply constraints, both in sourcing batteries and the general mayhem that is COVID-19. Oh, and then there’s the Tesla Roadster, delayed until, yep, 2022.

Elon Musk said in January that there would only be a "few deliveries" of Cybertrucks in 2021, and that volume production was set for 2022. While the company stuck to that claim in its July quarterly report, the company only recently finished the engineering design for the EV, which would have made for an extremely tight production schedule.

Still think Ford will beat them to it, or at least be within a short time frame.
And Ford have a worldwide established dealer/spare parts network that has been running for a few years.
Ford lightning may not be as pretty or jazzy as the Tesla cybertruck, but vaporware it aint.
Mick

 

[Value Collector]

And right on cue, Tesla announces another delay.
From EngagedEt


Still think Ford will beat them to it, or at least be within a short time frame.
And Ford have a worldwide established dealer/spare parts network that has been running for a few years.
Ford lightning may not be as pretty or jazzy as the Tesla cybertruck, but vaporware it aint.
Mick

Check out this video at the 9 min mark, for a look at the Tesla factory progress, this was a complete green field development, so you can expect certain delays, but as you can see they are making huge progress, whether or not the Ford or the Tesla comes out first is not really really important.

but Tesla have 500,000 deposits put down for the cyber truck, how many ore orders does Ford have?

 

[mullokintyre]

Check out this video at the 9 min mark, for a look at the Tesla factory progress, this was a complete green field development, so you can expect certain delays, but as you can see they are making huge progress, whether or not the Ford or the Tesla comes out first is not really really important.

but Tesla have 500,000 deposits put down for the cyber truck, how many ore orders does Ford have?

Not sure if it matters how many orders there are.
There were lots of orders for Niccola.
Look how well that went.
The real stats are how many get delivered.
We will just have to wait and see.
Mick

 

[Value Collector]

Not sure if it matters how many orders there are.
There were lots of orders for Niccola.
Look how well that went.
The real stats are how many get delivered.
We will just have to wait and see.
Mick

The difference is that Nikola was a fraud, and never built a factory or came close to producing and selling vehicles, did you watch the video I linked from the 9 min mark? That’s Tesla’s 3rd vehicle factory, Nikola never even broke ground on 1 actual factory.

Tesla on the other hand is a real company, producing 100’s of thousands of vehicles.

its proved its orders translate to sales on 5 other models before the Cyber truck.

 

[JohnDe]

And right on cue, Tesla announces another delay.
From EngagedEt


Still think Ford will beat them to it, or at least be within a short time frame.
And Ford have a worldwide established dealer/spare parts network that has been running for a few years.
Ford lightning may not be as pretty or jazzy as the Tesla cybertruck, but vaporware it aint.
Mick

Ford are big but VW is bigger, both are having trouble sourcing materials for EV's and manufacturing them at economical prices. Check out Sandy Munro's videos, he dismantles the EV's and gives constructive descriptions about their engineering and costs.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj--iMtToRO_cGG_fpmP5XQ

 

[basilio]

Ford are big but VW is bigger, both are having trouble sourcing materials for EV's and manufacturing them at economical prices. Check out Sandy Munro's videos, he dismantles the EV's and gives constructive descriptions about their engineering and costs.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj--iMtToRO_cGG_fpmP5XQ

Sandy Munro has been an invaluable independent technical analyst of the ongoing Tesla production. Elon Musk has certainly taken his ideas on board.

The video you referenced is outstanding. The analysis and frankness are great. Really recommended for all the engineers on ASF.

 

[Value Collector]

Also, just on the Topic of delays.

Some people here will remember when I first placed my order for my Tesla Model 3, and proudly proclaimed I would have it in 12 months.

Well a combination of the factory taking an extra 9 months to build, and there being 400,000 orders in front of me meant it actually took a bit over 2 years.

But, delays happen who cares I ended up getting the car, and Tesla ended up giving me free premium Internet and Spotify for the life of the vehicle as a thankyou for my patience, that would normally cost $10 a month.

 

[qldfrog]

Not sure if it matters how many orders there are.
There were lots of orders for Niccola.
Look how well that went.
The real stats are how many get delivered.
We will just have to wait and see.
Mick

Nicola was just lacking hills to coast its models?

 

[sptrawler]

Interesting whisper going around at the moment, by 2024 all new cars to be fitted with gps controlled active speed limiters and data storage equipment, that will spell the death knell of high performance ICE engines. Ah technology just the thing to make life boring. ?
Cars will have to have the gps equipment fitted and data loggers fitted, as of 2022, but I believe it isn't until 2024 that it all has to be operational.

Speed limiters now required on all new cars: know the rules and how they work | Auto Express

Speed limiters are required on all new cars from July 7 2024 but what does that mean for motorists and consumers…

www.autoexpress.co.uk

 

[divs4ever]

might have to fix up my bicycle then , and reclaim the freedoms of the road

remember when the fun police dominate , creativity and productivity nose-dive

 

[qldfrog]

might have to fix up my bicycle then , and reclaim the freedoms of the road

remember when the fun police dominate , creativity and productivity nose-dive

and civilisation collapses.
But history teaches us nothing... clearly...
The west is dead.Long life to our new leader Dr Xi

 

[divs4ever]

is Dr. Xi worse than the two-faced posers we have currently

we have consistently had our international respect eroded by self-centred leaders

and maybe 'paradise' needs a dose of reality

 

[qldfrog]

is Dr. Xi worse than the two-faced posers we have currently

we have consistently had our international respect eroded by self-centred leaders

and maybe 'paradise' needs a dose of reality

Worse,,?..hum..Xi not worse than what is coming here, but far worse than what we had 30y ago
A regression definitely
Hopefully Puttin alliance with China will save Russia,and so part of the western civilisation
Not sure Russia will go EV...

 

[qldfrog]

Worse,,?..hum..Xi not worse than what is coming here, but far worse than what we had 30y ago
A regression definitely
Hopefully Puttin alliance with China will save Russia,and so part of the western civilisation
Not sure Russia will go EV...

I digress apologies

 

[mullokintyre]

nteresting whisper going around at the moment, by 2024 all new cars to be fitted with gps controlled active speed limiters and data storage equipment, that will spell the death knell of high performance ICE engines. Ah technology just the thing to make life boring. ?
Cars will have to have the gps equipment fitted and data loggers fitted, as of 2022, but I believe it isn't until 2024 that it all has to be operational.

It will also affect all the fast EV's around as well as ICE equipeed ones.
I can see a huge blackmarket in fake GPS units emitting bull**** data for the leadfoots.
Of course, all the old ICE V8s etc will not be able to fit them retrospectively, especially those vehicles registered as historic or club rego vehicles. Like to see how they are going to integrate one into the 62 Tbird I have that has nothing electrical on it except the lights and the interior clock.
Mick