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Standard Range vehicles develop a “targeted” 318kW and 1051Nm, enabling an estimated driving range on the US’s strict EPA test cycle of 370km.
Extended Range models up the output to 420kW and 1051Nm, for 483km of estimated EPA range and a projected 0-60mph (97km/h) sprint time in the “mid four-second range” – though recent comments from US President Joe Biden suggest the benchmark dash could fall around 4.3 or 4.4 seconds.
F-150 Lightning buyers are offered four charging options, with the quickest of the bunch enabling a 15 to 80 per cent charge on a 150kW DC fast charger in 44 minutes with the Standard Range pack, or 41 minutes with the larger Extended Range option.
A 10-minute stint on the same charger can add 66km to the Standard Range battery, or 87km to the Extended Range pack.
There quite a lot of charging locations, and they are growing rapidly.Would make a great towing vehicle to the van, provided I could keep it charged.
Unfortunately, its not possible to leave the driveway at the moment, much less leave the state.
Mick
Yeah heard about that. I am yet to experience the electric motor torque.When the neighbour took me for a spin in his Tesla and removed all the wrinkles from my face from the acceleration I haven't stopped dreaming about one day owning one.
It was some thing to behold.
The big thing against these trucks is fuel costs.....this could mean more parking hogs in shopping centresFord have started taking orders for its all electric F100 , the Lightning.
Lightning from Ford
The first deliveries are slated to start in the second quarter of 2022.
They are taking 7500 orders,.
I would buy one of these in a flash over say a RAM3500, or Diesel F250, or GMS Denali or etcc=.
Unfortunately, there are no plans to make a RHD model.
May have to wait for Tickfords FPV to start importing them and converting to OZ standards.
Would make a great towing vehicle to the van, provided I could keep it charged.
Unfortunately, its not possible to leave the driveway at the moment, much less leave the state.
Mick
What do you mean?The big thing against these trucks is fuel costs.....this could mean more parking hogs in shopping centres
This finding will decimate beauty product manufacturers who spend a fortune advertising anti aging and wrinkle eliminating concoctions.When the neighbour took me for a spin in his Tesla and removed all the wrinkles from my face from the acceleration I haven't stopped dreaming about one day owning one.
It was some thing to behold.
Charging is cheaper than buying petrol or diesel , but you can bet your bottom dollar that states or feds will add a tax, excise, surcharge, stamp duty or whatever they want to call it, so that they can "maintain the roads". The electricity is not free at home either, unless you have solar panels.What do you mean?
Charging an EV is much cheaper than buying petrol or diesel. and most people will just be charging at home.
Stop it Mick, you are so boomer...reality is not restricted on a smartphone...Charging is cheaper than buying petrol or diesel , but you can bet your bottom dollar that states or feds will add a tax, excise, surcharge, stamp duty or whatever they want to call it, so that they can "maintain the roads". The electricity is not free at home either, unless you have solar panels.
Secondly, no one has yet come up with the practical solution to the scalability of electric vehicles.
Everything's fine when there is a small percentage of vehicles that are EV's and want to charge, but there is a certain critical percentage where it all falls apart.
A 2021 tesla model S with the 82KWh motor has a range of around 530 Kms according to tesla.
To charge this Tesla from say half charge to 82 KWH, would take around 17 hours at a continuous 10 amp supply, which is what most household power points are rated at.
If you wanted a fast charge, say 2 or 3 hours, you are going to need 60 to 90 amps of current. Very few houses have a supply that is rated to take that sort of current. The other issue is that OZ network has set up so that a single transformer supplies 4 to six houses, and none of them are designed for one or more houses to extract that sort of current from the network. An average daily use for a house is 19 KW/h per day, but of course in summer when aircons, the pool pump, etc are running, it can shoot up to 40+ kwh, which is about half the 82kw/h that our Tesla needs. Energex has a standard that says 42kVa per household in new developments, so that is what people get, unless they pay for "prestige home access " of 7.0 kva. Most older housing developments would have planning designed much less usage than that. It will be difficult to see how large scale EV charging is going to take place under these limitations.
Mick
I made a typo (actually probably made lots typos, hey I'm slysdexic). I said Energex has a standard that says 42kVa, should have read 4.2 kva.Charging is cheaper than buying petrol or diesel , but you can bet your bottom dollar that states or feds will add a tax, excise, surcharge, stamp duty or whatever they want to call it, so that they can "maintain the roads". The electricity is not free at home either, unless you have solar panels.
Secondly, no one has yet come up with the practical solution to the scalability of electric vehicles.
Everything's fine when there is a small percentage of vehicles that are EV's and want to charge, but there is a certain critical percentage where it all falls apart.
A 2021 tesla model S with the 82KWh motor has a range of around 530 Kms according to tesla.
To charge this Tesla from say half charge to 82 KWH, would take around 17 hours at a continuous 10 amp supply, which is what most household power points are rated at.
If you wanted a fast charge, say 2 or 3 hours, you are going to need 60 to 90 amps of current. Very few houses have a supply that is rated to take that sort of current. The other issue is that OZ network has set up so that a single transformer supplies 4 to six houses, and none of them are designed for one or more houses to extract that sort of current from the network. An average daily use for a house is 19 KW/h per day, but of course in summer when aircons, the pool pump, etc are running, it can shoot up to 40+ kwh, which is about half the 82kw/h that our Tesla needs. Energex has a standard that says 42kVa per household in new developments, so that is what people get, unless they pay for "prestige home access " of 7.0 kva. Most older housing developments would have planning designed much less usage than that. It will be difficult to see how large scale EV charging is going to take place under these limitations.
Mick
Using your figures the total time needed for the average driver to charge an EV would total 7 hours a week or less than 2 hours per day:Charging is cheaper than buying petrol or diesel , but you can bet your bottom dollar that states or feds will add a tax, excise, surcharge, stamp duty or whatever they want to call it, so that they can "maintain the roads". The electricity is not free at home either, unless you have solar panels.
Secondly, no one has yet come up with the practical solution to the scalability of electric vehicles.
Everything's fine when there is a small percentage of vehicles that are EV's and want to charge, but there is a certain critical percentage where it all falls apart.
A 2021 tesla model S with the 82KWh motor has a range of around 530 Kms according to tesla.
To charge this Tesla from say half charge to 82 KWH, would take around 17 hours at a continuous 10 amp supply, which is what most household power points are rated at.
If you wanted a fast charge, say 2 or 3 hours, you are going to need 60 to 90 amps of current. Very few houses have a supply that is rated to take that sort of current. The other issue is that OZ network has set up so that a single transformer supplies 4 to six houses, and none of them are designed for one or more houses to extract that sort of current from the network. An average daily use for a house is 19 KW/h per day, but of course in summer when aircons, the pool pump, etc are running, it can shoot up to 40+ kwh, which is about half the 82kw/h that our Tesla needs. Energex has a standard that says 42kVa per household in new developments, so that is what people get, unless they pay for "prestige home access " of 7.0 kva. Most older housing developments would have planning designed much less usage than that. It will be difficult to see how large scale EV charging is going to take place under these limitations.
Mick
At rate? At what starting point of charge? To what capacity?Using your figures the total time needed for the average driver to charge an EV would total 7 hours a week or less than 2 hours per day.
Let's assume a car was charged over the weekend and ready to go anywhere on Monday.At rate? At what starting point of charge? To what capacity?
Mick
Yeah, well I guess if everything is average it would not.It's hard to see that as a problem.
Well theres ya problem straight away. Scalability. If everyone charges over the weekend, you have a massive spike in demand.Let's assume a car was charged over the weekend and ready to go anywhere on Monday.
This is old ground in this thread. Electricity demand on weekends is low, just as it is in the evenings during the week:Well theres ya problem straight away. Scalability. If everyone charges over the weekend, you have a massive spike in demand.
Averages, as useful as t1ts on a bull.
Mick
I have owned a Tesla Since 2019 so understand the ins and outs of charging better than most, and have already had marathon debates in this thread explaining the exact points you raised so I don’t want to go over everything in depth again, but here a a few points where you are mistaken.Charging is cheaper than buying petrol or diesel , but you can bet your bottom dollar that states or feds will add a tax, excise, surcharge, stamp duty or whatever they want to call it, so that they can "maintain the roads". The electricity is not free at home either, unless you have solar panels.
Secondly, no one has yet come up with the practical solution to the scalability of electric vehicles.
Everything's fine when there is a small percentage of vehicles that are EV's and want to charge, but there is a certain critical percentage where it all falls apart.
A 2021 tesla model S with the 82KWh motor has a range of around 530 Kms according to tesla.
To charge this Tesla from say half charge to 82 KWH, would take around 17 hours at a continuous 10 amp supply, which is what most household power points are rated at.
If you wanted a fast charge, say 2 or 3 hours, you are going to need 60 to 90 amps of current. Very few houses have a supply that is rated to take that sort of current. The other issue is that OZ network has set up so that a single transformer supplies 4 to six houses, and none of them are designed for one or more houses to extract that sort of current from the network. An average daily use for a house is 19 KW/h per day, but of course in summer when aircons, the pool pump, etc are running, it can shoot up to 40+ kwh, which is about half the 82kw/h that our Tesla needs. Energex has a standard that says 42kVa per household in new developments, so that is what people get, unless they pay for "prestige home access " of 7.0 kva. Most older housing developments would have planning designed much less usage than that. It will be difficult to see how large scale EV charging is going to take place under these limitations.
Mick
Did you know some electricity retailers give free power on the week ends between 12pm and 2pm because of negative electricity prices on the week end, the weekends have large solar and wind gluts normally.Well theres ya problem straight away. Scalability. If everyone charges over the weekend, you have a massive spike in demand.
Averages, as useful as t1ts on a bull.
Mick
Yep to put it in perspective, my hot water system consumes more power each day than my car, and the off peak circuit turns on at 10pm each night in my area, so most hot water systems would be finished heating by midnight, that’s a lot of spare capacity sitting idle till 6am.This is old ground in this thread. Electricity demand on weekends is low, just as it is in the evenings during the week:
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EV owners take advantage of the off peak rates each day - not just weekends - and it will take many millions of EVs to alter the present cycles. In perspective, less than a million new vehicles are sold in Australia each year, so even if every car from today was a BEV, our electrical supply could cope for the next 10 years with only some modification. I think we are capable of planning for BEV's such that it won't be a problem.
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