Electric cars?

[over9k]

Safety regulations?


In China?

 

[Smurf1976]

Hence why even energy secure poor countries are still chasing EV's etc. Again, nothing to do with climate change, but a nice side-effect nonetheless.

There are many benefits to EV's, climate change is just one of them and I'd argue that EV's a concept would still stack up in terms of human health and energy supply security even if climate change didn't exist.

The only case against them is (1) it will take considerable time such that claims we won't be using petrol a decade from now are nonsense and (2) cost and infrastructure are for some users is still a barrier needing to be overcome.

I note that nobody here's claiming we won't be using petrol a decade from now, but have a look around online or even at actual politicians, lobby groups and so on and the claim's certainly being made. It doesn't stack up but that's no reason to not go with EV's, it just means the transition is going to take longer than some claim. No reason to not get started on it now though.

 

[over9k]

Yeah, hence me buying NRGU and GUSH a while ago on account of everyone thinking that oil's day is done - it isn't.

 

[basilio]

Is there even a safety rating on that thing?

Did you check out the video ? I believe it has a safety cage and they did show a crash test.
No it hasn't got all the latest safety features. If it was to be exported to Australia and other countries there would have to upgrades that would meet current standards.

Having said that. At the price point of $4,500 it represents an exceptional value for a urban EV that isn't a golf cart.
Re Safety standards in cars around the world.

Emerging markets are taking vehicle safety seriously (at least on paper!) | Automotive World

China has shown immense progress in adopting car safety standards, but other developing countries, such as Mexico, India, and Brazil, lie far behind. Indraneel Bardhan of EOS Intelligence, takes a closer look

www.automotiveworld.com

 

[Smurf1976]

Re Safety standards in cars around the world.

There's been huge progress there such that a "dangerous" new car is still far safer than even the absolute safest new car was not all that long ago.

The means of powering them also of itself creates a hazard. EV's won't have this problem for example:

 

[over9k]

For anyone wondering about the safety issue with electricity etc - if you're ever in a vehicle that hits some overhead wires or power lines come down or there's really any kind of electrical hazard at all, you STAY IN THE VEHICLE. You also scream your head off at anyone nearby to not come anywhere near it and go & call the emergency services instead.

As long as you stay in the vehicle you're actually way way safer around even live wires than you are unignited fuel. Unignited fuel = get the hell out of there IMMEDIATELY.

 

[qldfrog]

There's been huge progress there such that a "dangerous" new car is still far safer than even the absolute safest new car was not all that long ago.

The means of powering them also of itself creates a hazard. EV's won't have this problem for example:

You mean just that:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BMAN6BAgJEAE&usg=AOvVaw2ylxz7Or7Gi9FUWRU70uBi
Just tongue in cheek....
I like the ev concept

 

[qldfrog]

You mean just that:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s9APLXM9Ei8&ved=2ahUKEwjTlof7jJrvAhWS8XMBHX42CGwQo7QBMAN6BAgJEAE&usg=AOvVaw2ylxz7Or7Gi9FUWRU70uBi
Just tongue in cheek....
I like the ev concept

I sometimes wonder what happens when a fire service hoses down a tesla after a crash...

 

[qldfrog]

I sometimes wonder what happens when a fire service hoses down a tesla after a crash...

And the great God Google got the answer
https://www.livescience.com/62179-tesla-fire-cleanup-danger.html
All fun

 

[Value Collector]

In the Cold Parts of the USA car parks are fitted with power points, because the petrol cars need to be plugged in to keep their oil warm.

It shows that anyone that thinks install charging infrastructure in car parks is impossible or some sort of road block to the adoption of EV’s is just being silly.

absolutely no reason why simple power points like these couldn’t be used to charge EVs at peoples work places or shopping centres etc, after all most cars are parked for over 20 hours each day, so even low voltage slow charging is more than enough for commuters, and a few fast chargers for long distance travellers.

 

[Knobby22]

Saw an add on hydrogen vehicles like tractors and SUVs being made in Port Kembla. Combined with the South Koreans and Toyota advancing this technology and our massive ability to create hydrogen through PV, I really think it will be the preferred option for Australia.

I am thinking battery cars for autonomous vehicles but hydrogen f or the SUV and big travel set.

Hydrogen-powered vehicles are here – and here’s what you need to know | GloBird Energy

Did you know that an Australian-made hydrogen fuel cell vehicle will be available next year? An auto-tech startup called H2X set up its factory at Port Kembla around six months ago and aims to be…

www.globirdenergy.com.au

 

[Knobby22]

Saw an add on hydrogen vehicles like tractors and SUVs being made in Port Kembla. Combined with the South Koreans and Toyota advancing this technology and our massive ability to create hydrogen through PV, I really think it will be the preferred option for Australia.

I am thinking battery cars for autonomous vehicles but hydrogen for the SUV and big travel set.

Hydrogen-powered vehicles are here – and here’s what you need to know | GloBird Energy

Did you know that an Australian-made hydrogen fuel cell vehicle will be available next year? An auto-tech startup called H2X set up its factory at Port Kembla around six months ago and aims to be…

www.globirdenergy.com.au

 

[qldfrog]

Saw an add on hydrogen vehicles like tractors and SUVs being made in Port Kembla. Combined with the South Koreans and Toyota advancing this technology and our massive ability to create hydrogen through PV, I really think it will be the preferred option for Australia.

I am thinking battery cars for autonomous vehicles but hydrogen for the SUV and big travel set.

Hydrogen-powered vehicles are here – and here’s what you need to know | GloBird Energy

Did you know that an Australian-made hydrogen fuel cell vehicle will be available next year? An auto-tech startup called H2X set up its factory at Port Kembla around six months ago and aims to be…

www.globirdenergy.com.au

maybe, but we do not count world wide so will have to do with what the US do, and Europe for city transport only
Europe and Australia can not be more different in term of distances, road tye etc whereas we have analogies with the US

 

[SirRumpole]

There's been huge progress there such that a "dangerous" new car is still far safer than even the absolute safest new car was not all that long ago.

The means of powering them also of itself creates a hazard. EV's won't have this problem for example:

No, but they might have this one...

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Just in case you are planning on buying an electric car…….this is what they don't tell you!

Wonder if local fire departments can handle this type of incident...

What you see in this video is a shorting cell setting off the rest. It's a chain reaction from the first to the end car. Bet they lost all those cars in that charging line.

Note the time it took to destroy 3 cars, 1.15 minutes. The first car was destroyed in about 38 seconds.

The fire cannot be extinguished with water. No fire department will approach a burning battery-powered car because of the toxic gasses produced during the fire.
No recycling place will take the remains because of the toxic chemicals the batteries contain are hazardous.

 

[Value Collector]

No, but they might have this one...

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Just in case you are planning on buying an electric car…….this is what they don't tell you!

Were they Samsung brand, Hahaha.

 

[Value Collector]

Lets not leave our Hydrogen friends out of the mix

Hydrogen tanker fire, the action starts at 2.00 mark.

The crazy part is that the fire was only orange and visible at the beginning because of the paint burning off, once the fire had burned off the paint the flames turned clear and could not be seen.

 

[sptrawler]

Well at last, Australia to make lithium ion batteries, hopefully this is the first of many companies that move beyond the dig and ship mentality, that has prevailed in Australia for the last 40 years.

Australia's first lithium-ion battery production facility to open this year

The $28 million site located near Newcastle will build batteries for electric trucks and buses tailored for Australian weather conditions.

www.caradvice.com.au

From the article:
Construction of Australia’s first lithium-ion battery production facility has begun near Newcastle, with commercial vehicle power packs due to go into production by July.

The 4000 square metre site – run by start-up Energy Renaissance – will produce batteries tailored to Australian weather conditions, with a focus on commercial vehicles and buses.

Development costs will total approximately $28 million, and the facility will employ “up to” 100 people, according to a spokesperson for the project.

Annual battery output will initially sit at approximately 48 megawatt hours, before increasing to 180 megawatt hours by 2022.
Jens Goennemann – managing director of the Advanced Manufacturing Growth Centre, which has invested in the site – told CarAdvice: "Energy Renaissance’s announcement of on-shore, Lithium-ion battery manufacturing is exactly what we need more of in Australia."

"By building local manufacturing capability and adding value to domestic commodities, [Australia] will be able to supply critical componentry to local and global automotive [vehicle manufacturers]."

Mr Goennemann said Australia has “an opportunity to lead the world when it comes to energy transition, while adding value to our abundant natural resources.”

He said the company's hot-climate battery technology “has numerous applications across ... energy, defence, commercial and industrial – both domestically and abroad.”

The site has a theoretical maximum output of 5.3 gigawatt hours per annum, however a spokesperson for Energy Renaissance said expansion beyond 2022 would be driven by market demand.

 

[Smurf1976]

he 4000 square metre site – run by start-up Energy Renaissance – will produce batteries tailored to Australian weather conditions, with a focus on commercial vehicles and buses.

For the record whilst cars are no longer made in Australia, we do still build buses here with factories in Qld, SA and Tas. (Might be others too but those are the ones I'm aware of).

So there's a local market for the batteries in that use assuming production of electric buses.

 

[sptrawler]

For the record whilst cars are no longer made in Australia, we do still build buses here with factories in Qld, SA and Tas. (Might be others too but those are the ones I'm aware of).

So there's a local market for the batteries in that use assuming production of electric buses.

There is also a lot of grid connected batteries required, at all levels from house, to industrial, to direct power integrated for storage and rapid response duties.
The options are only just starting, now all we need is the local market, to buy Australian.
That is the big test, we have everything here to make them, but as with Holden and Ford, will people buy them?

 

[sptrawler]

Kia's new offering for BEV's

Kia offers a first look at its new EV6 electric car