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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.8%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.6%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 37 18.8%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.7%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    197
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Smurf1976 said:
Ultimately what it all comes down to is making batteries that are physically smaller and lighter per unit of capacity than at present.

That's it really.

Electric cars as such work.

Batteries work.

Problem is that a battery able to store enough energy to move the car a long distance is heavier and physically larger than is desirable and it's also rather expensive. Those are the bits where improvement is desirable.

It's much the same as other technology. Lots of things were able to be done years or even decades before they became common, the limiting factor to widespread use was finding a way to make the equipment small and cheap enough to be practical. Pretty much all modern technology went through that before it saw mass adoption. :2twocents
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Yeah bentley are doing an electric car now and that thing had huuuuuuge range.

But being a bentley it can have a $400,000 battery in it and still be commercially viable. That's not so for mass consumption.


The tech exists, it just isn't cheap enough.


Yet.
 
over9k said:
Yeah bentley are doing an electric car now and that thing had huuuuuuge range.

But being a bentley it can have a $400,000 battery in it and still be commercially viable. That's not so for mass consumption.


The tech exists, it just isn't cheap enough.


Yet.
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i think it just comes down to right sizing the battery, some people feel that they can’t get an ev until 1000km range batteries exist, but that’s almost non sensical in reality, you just don’t need that size battery, no one really drivers that far in one day without stopping for a pee.
 
No but you can't go on day/weekend trips with the family unless you have that kind of range, and people do them all the time. Currently, owning an electric car means I can't take the wife & kids away for the weekend, and that's a pretty serious lack of practicality. Prohibitively so in fact.

Once they reach that point, I suspect sales will, er, surge. I'll probably buy one myself.
 
over9k said:
No but you can't go on day/weekend trips with the family unless you have that kind of range, and people do them all the time. Currently, owning an electric car means I can't take the wife & kids away for the weekend, and that's a pretty serious lack of practicality. Prohibitively so in fact.

Once they reach that point, I suspect sales will, er, surge. I'll probably buy one myself.
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Where are you going that doesn’t have electricity? If you had 500 km range, you would easily be able to do a weekend away, because over the space of that initial 500km you would probably be passing charging locations, or you could charge at your destination, I am not sure you can drive 500 km in any direction without passing a charging location.

I take the model 3 away for trips all the time, I have also driven between Sydney and Brisbane plenty of times.

you Would be surprised I bet an ev would easily fit into your life.
 
Battery prices have dropped as scale has increased, energy densities have improved but are still a fair way off acceptable, but BEV's are going to happen whether people want it or not IMO. It will happen for a variety of reasons mostly economic, the minor one being clean air, also just my opinion.
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Value Collector said:
Where are you going that doesn’t have electricity? If you had 500 km range, you would easily be able to do a weekend away, because over the space of that initial 500km you would probably be passing charging locations, or you could charge at your destination, I am not sure you can drive 500 km in any direction without passing a charging location.

I take the model 3 away for trips all the time, I have also driven between Sydney and Brisbane plenty of times.

you Would be surprised I bet an ev would easily fit into your life.
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Maybe. But having to plan the trips by charging stations is... inconvenient. I want to be able to just get in the car and go anywhere/do anything/change plans any time we want without a 2nd thought and there just isn't the flexibility/peace of mind/surety of petroleum cars. Not yet.

I reckon we're 2-3 years away from it, just going by gut feeling.
 
over9k said:
Maybe. But having to plan the trips by charging stations is... inconvenient. I want to be able to just get in the car and go anywhere/do anything/change plans any time we want without a 2nd thought and there just isn't the flexibility/peace of mind/surety of petroleum cars. Not yet.

I reckon we're 2-3 years away from it, just going by gut feeling.
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I think you would end up finding the inconvenience very small and rare, but the benefits large and frequent.

Most of the time the car will find its own charging locations, and if you really want to get into the weeds 2 mins on your smart phone will find chargers on your route or at your destination.
 
Maybe. But I'm not going to spend the kind of money a new model Y is on a maybe or even a "probably", I want to be absolutely sure of no problems first.

If there was something wrong with my current ICE car now I'd probably very seriously think about the switch but whilst my current car is perfectly fine for purpose, it's a bit of a non-starter.
 
over9k said:
Maybe. But I'm not going to spend the kind of money a new model Y is on a maybe or even a "probably", I want to be absolutely sure of no problems first.

If there was something wrong with my current ICE car now I'd probably very seriously think about the switch but whilst my current car is perfectly fine for purpose, it's a bit of a non-starter.
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You could down load the plug share app and check out the routes you are likely to travel.

or play with the “better route planner” website or app etc just to get an idea.

for example about a month ago my family planned a road trip involving 3 different groups out to a small country town, turned there was a free Tesla charger right in the down, and we passed a supercharger on the way there also.

30 seconds on the plug share app and I had all the details I needed, it’s no biggy.

so I don’t think you need 1000km of range, you just need to feel confident on where charging locations are.
 
Elon musk is now the world's richest person.

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over9k said:
Elon musk is now the world's richest person.
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I think this is perhaps a good thing in itself.

It may knock some sense into some if they're confronted with the reality that capitalism and innovation are joined at the hip and if you want solutions to problems then you want people getting rich out of it, that tends to be a pretty good motivator.

Regardless of whether he ultimately succeeds in the long term or not, Musk has done more to popularise EV's than every environmental group, government and car manufacturer put together. He did what others failed to do - he completely shed the "eco car" image that has kept most away from EV's in the past and instead produced a car that was desirable as such. :2twocents
 
NIO now closing on on $60/share.

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Well past three bags & on its way to a fourth for me now :D
 
Significant announcement in December from Alkaline Fuel Energy ( AFC UK) on joint production with ABB of a mobile hydrogen fuel cell based electric charging unit. The process will allow widespread charging of electric vehicles off the grid using pollution free hydrogen.

AFC share price has jumped 350% since the announcement.

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