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Economic implications of a SARS/Coronavirus outbreak

Strongly agreed.

That said, it is also very clear that Australia cannot sensibly remain so closely tied to either China, the US or any other single country. This crisis has made that reality very clear.

My expectation is that Australia's economy will ultimately emerge stronger because of this. We'll be forced to diversify both geographically and in terms of activity and neither is a bad thing. Our business model of simply selling what we've got to whoever walks in the door, which isn't far removed from prostitution as a concept, has reached its end point.

Short term the downside is mass unemployment, investors losing money and massive disruption.

Long term here's the springboard to put Australians back to work in actual higher value industries and to fix the problems we've been sweeping under the rug in the great race to the bottom. Problems like hospital funding, the natural environment including issues of pollution and emissions, house prices and so on are all ultimately products of the economic race to the bottom we've been engaged in.

If I was to try and fit our predicament to any previous historic example then once the virus is sorted I'd pick 1945. A war won and a focus on rebuilding our industries as the obvious path forward both practically and economically. :2twocents
Great post smurf, absolutely what we need to do, maintaining our living standards by selling everything in the house isn't sustainable.
We have filled our obligation to the Lima agreement, now we need to get fair value for money for our resources, as happened in the 1960 where mining companies had to build furnaces and smelters to gain access to the minerals.
If the companies don't want to build furnaces etc, tax them on volume so that the money can be used to build industries, like a new bloody serum laboratory for a start.
 
Just quietly, Trump polls look like he is gone. And thank God. I don't think I could listen to you lot drone on about it for another term.

Fair enough
Any chance you have come to the view he may not have been/be a good leader for the US and the world in general ?:cautious:
Or is that a bridge too far..
 
Just quietly, Trump polls look like he is gone. And thank God. I don't think I could listen to you lot drone on about it for another term.
Well if that is correct, it will be business as usual, send all the manufacturing to China and low wage Countries. :roflmao:
Another win for the multi national owned media, driven by advertising dollars.:xyxthumbs
Just my opinion.
Also I don't know if Greta will get an audience in China, to further the CC cause, so they can kiss that goodbye.:p
 
Just quietly, Trump polls look like he is gone. And thank God. I don't think I could listen to you lot drone on about it for another term.
Polls don't seem to give any real guidance in recent years. I might be wrong but I didn't think he won on the polls last time. Last Aussie election polls were way off track. If polls are saying he is gone, well then I would get ready for another Trump Term.
 
Fair enough
Any chance you have come to the view he may not have been/be a good leader for the US and the world in general ?:cautious:
Or is that a bridge too far..
Enter The Drago... errr, the dementia patient :rolleyes:
 
Anyway, as an economic implication, both Melbourne and Sydney races were cancelled mid program today, as a licensed person may have had contact with an infected person.

Racing industry is the third largest employer Australia wide, and I believe the second largest employer in Victoria.
 
Fair enough
Any chance you have come to the view he may not have been/be a good leader for the US and the world in general ?:cautious:
Or is that a bridge too far..
He tried to hobble China, Russia and Iran, redirect manufacturing, protect borders. In my opinion he did more right then he did wrong.
There was a pretty long list of achievements.
The economy was running pretty good till the virus. Democrats threw everything at him and nothing stuck.

He wasn't good for the world. But he kept out of wars and pushed back after Obamas weak world leadership.

The guy as a person?
I admired his tenacity. I doubt any president had to endure the attacks he has withstood.
He still managed to get things done in spite of the democrats. His ability to turn attacks against him into wins is unique in itself.

The bad about trump is already written everywhere on the net. There's too many to list. But Biden is a blast into the past. Don't envy the choices.
 
Polls don't seem to give any real guidance in recent years. I might be wrong but I didn't think he won on the polls last time. Last Aussie election polls were way off track. If polls are saying he is gone, well then I would get ready for another Trump Term.
7 points behind I think. And an economy on its knees. If I didn't know better I'd say the democrats were behind the coronavirus.
It is early days but Trump took advantage of a unique situation last election. If he pulled it off again Bas will tattoo "MAGA" on his ass.
Sanders died a quiet death so his supporters won't be as p1ssed as last time. They will most likely vote Dems.

Dems are as also pushing postal votes. They will vote harvest if they get the chance. They did it in California and thus it remains a crime ridden shthole.
 

I don't know enough on the subject. Or if they are able to incubate a natural disease in animals and allow the process to mutate naturally?

I'm sure if anyone could it would be the Chinese. They genetically altered embryos which were born not long ago. Increased abilities apparently. So who knows. Not enough evidence (in my opinion) to show it's true
 
Well, it was a scientific paper, unlike the opinions of some amateurs.
That is true and it is obviously the official line being taken, so it is pointless debating whether it was made in a Lab or natural circumstances.
If it was, the powers that be don't want to escalate the situation, so it becomes a moot point IMO.
From memory, I haven't posted one way or the other regarding its origin, because it doesn't actually change the nature of the problem that needs fixing.
Just my opinion.
 
Anyone have a chart on where we stand on deaths to infected compared to other nations?
Trajectory/number of days as well. Are we ahead or behind on infections over time?
 
These breweries aren't washing their hands of the corona virus.
This kind of bureaucracy is the sort of thing I've zero time for. :mad:

It's ethanol for heaven's sake, a simple chemical, being used externally to the human body. We're not talking about drugs being injected into someone etc and this is an emergency situation so they need to stop messing about with rules and regulations. :2twocents
 
Anyone have a chart on where we stand on deaths to infected compared to other nations?
A lot of data on this site:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Zoom in and click on the cities etc for specific data.

It's not perfect and doesn't answer everything you asked but seems reasonable and I note from news footage this seems to be the exact same page that WHO and others are displaying on the wall, it looks identical in layout and content etc, so presumably it's legit.
 
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