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Smurf1976 said:
Purely anecdotal but among those I know, they're basically taking it as "holiday within your own state".

Because actually booking anything involving airlines in particular is just too risky both financially and in practical terms for many who'll have issues rescheduling leave from work plus things like school holidays and so on.
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same here, and even if qld is big, a bit restricting especially if you want some colder weather
 
Smurf1976 said:
Purely anecdotal but among those I know, they're basically taking it as "holiday within your own state".

Because actually booking anything involving airlines in particular is just too risky both financially and in practical terms for many who'll have issues rescheduling leave from work plus things like school holidays and so on.
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Yes we are doing the same now.
The problem we have is the vouchers for cruises booked for 2020, from Perth to Sydney on the Sapphire Princess and fly back to Perth on Virgin are due to expire. At the time of booking it looked as though Australia was going to be in a bubble.

The recent Jetstar voucher was booked pre Delta strain outbreak, when travel to Queensland was fine.

The really annoying part is, we can still travel to Tassie from W.A, so we said fine just let us use the credit as part payment on Qantas, as they do direct flights Perth to Hobart.
Poxy Qantas and Jetstar, say no it has to be on Jetstar, who only fly to Tassie with a connection in Melbourne.
What cracks me up is how Qantas likes to take the high moral ground on peoples behaviour eg Folau, yet have no problem being absolute pricks, when it comes to honouring their obligation of decency.
My rant for the month
 
sptrawler said:
Yes we are doing the same now.
The problem we have is the vouchers for cruises booked for 2020, from Perth to Sydney on the Sapphire Princess and fly back to Perth on Virgin are due to expire. At the time of booking it looked as though Australia was going to be in a bubble.

The recent Jetstar voucher was booked pre Delta strain outbreak, when travel to Queensland was fine.

The really annoying part is, we can still travel to Tassie from W.A, so we said just let us use the credit on Qantas as they do direct flights Perth to Hobart.
Poxy Qantas and Jetstar, say no it has to be on Jetstar, who only fly to Tassie with a connection in Melbourne.
What cracks me up is how Qantas likes to take the high moral ground on peoples behaviour eg Folau, yet have no problem being absolute pricks when it comes to honouring their obligations.
My rant for the month
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Qantas have always been pricks, management, cabin staff. Six years ago (I think) a mate flew A380 to Canada which was good, then home on the same aircraft which was cramped and he is not an oversized gent. Qantas had altered seating on that plane to squeeze more in. The selling point of the aircraft to travellers was more room.
 
pozindustrial said:
Qantas have always been pricks, management, cabin staff. Six years ago (I think) a mate flew A380 to Canada which was good, then home on the same aircraft which was cramped and he is not an oversized gent. Qantas had altered seating on that plane to squeeze more in. The selling point of the aircraft to travellers was more room.
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I can believe that, I just hope Australians have long memories, Qantas is great at talking the talk, but IMO very nasty when it comes to walking the walk.
Like I said, from my opinion, Qantas has a real nasty streak and it permeates from the top down, you try and do the right thing to support their plight by holidaying. All they do is say thanks and kick you in the goolies, I hope the Feds stop giving them handouts.
As smurf says holiday in your own State, until this is virus is well past IMO, trying to help Qantas and other States is just giving Qantas management money IMO.:xyxthumbs
If they want a go fund me page, they should start one.:2twocents
If they were about honouring their obligation, they would try and do everything they could, to facilitate people who are stumping up money to help them.
 
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One fact that strikes me about all the foregoing experience with tourism is that "booking a holiday" upfront is dead in the water.

The uncertainty with the virus and lockdowns, further possibly more lethal variants, vaccine effectiveness (or lack) and preciousness of my fellow Australians as to which vaccine they will choose from the menu, and a possible severe recession, will force people to just wing it.

I have never been a fan of cruises or caravanning or any of the booked trips available from the likes of Flight Centre, any of what I would call "traditional" patterns of tourism.

So there will be a rearrangement of the deckchairs with people making ad hoc decisions to holiday and the travel companies will have to adapt. Airbnb, flights, hotel bookings and experiences will become separated and "packages" will disappear.

I am not looking forward to it personally as tourists will get in my way. I avoid them like the plague. Cruises in particular are glorified Petri dishes for growing bugs my doctor tells me and these creatures will be confined to the land mass looking for buffets, pokies, toilet paper, tablets for the runs and STI clinics.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
One fact that strikes me about all the foregoing experience with tourism is that "booking a holiday" upfront is dead in the water.

The uncertainty with the virus and lockdowns, further possibly more lethal variants, vaccine effectiveness (or lack) and preciousness of my fellow Australians as to which vaccine they will choose from the menu, and a possible severe recession, will force people to just wing it.

So there will be a rearrangement of the deckchairs with people making ad hoc decisions to holiday and the travel companies will have to adapt. Airbnb, flights, hotel bookings and experiences will become separated and "packages" will disappear.
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All good, gg, and isn't it grand we don't have Centralised Planning via InTourist to mandate choices.

The duopolies are having to adapt. Virgin came out with some overly complex set of booking/ pricing alternatives, today (for the back half of the 'plane). Agree with @sptrawler on Qantas; Quaintly Farcical. Questionably Fascistic. I basically turn off/ away when someone preaches (fake) virtue to me.

Though I have some nostalgia for a guy in short pants spraying the plane on arrival back home.
 
sptrawler said:
What cracks me up is how Qantas likes to take the high moral ground on peoples behaviour eg Folau, yet have no problem being absolute pricks, when it comes to honouring their obligation of decency.
My rant for the month
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Tell them your gay and neutral gender and you feel victimised.
I'm sure they will roll out the red rug for you.
 
frugal.rock said:
Tell them your gay and neutral gender and you feel victimised.
I'm sure they will roll out the red rug for you.
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Alternatively, try trans-financial.

I'm a rich person living in a poor person's life. Please, give me free flights to help stop this shocking injustice.
 
over9k said:
This sounds like the last escort I booked.
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Moral issues aside, that would be an industry pretty heavily impacted by the situation I assume?

Given the nature of it, and the terms of employment, I'm thinking there'd be some issues accessing government financial assistance too?
 
Smurf1976 said:
Moral issues aside, that would be an industry pretty heavily impacted by the situation I assume?

Given the nature of it, and the terms of employment, I'm thinking there'd be some issues accessing government financial assistance too?
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Nah they've all gone online. Onlyfans, pornhub etc etc are raking in record numbers as everyone are sitting at home with nothing to do except warcraft & fap.

Covid's essentially turned the entire population into basement dwelling perpetually-online neckbeards.



In other words, welcome to my normal life :D
 
Actually related to this thread:

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This delta variant's smashing everything but it's a bit different now - how hard you're hit basically depends on how well vaccinated your population is.

The cruel irony here is that the (first world) country which did the worst job of containing the first variant and thus needed/deployed the vaccines the most is now the most protected from the second one.



So whilst things are down across the board, the USA is far & away the best port in this particular storm & will remain so for considerable time yet.
 
over9k said:
Nah they've all gone online. Onlyfans, pornhub etc etc are raking in record numbers
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I was thinking more of those providing physical services......

Be they legal or illegal depending on what state, I assume such establishments would in practice be shut where lockdowns are in force? They'd be a pretty likely business to be checked up on I'd assume.

I'm not judging on morality there, just an economic observation. :2twocents
 
Smurf1976 said:
I was thinking more of those providing physical services......

Be they legal or illegal depending on what state, I assume such establishments would in practice be shut where lockdowns are in force? They'd be a pretty likely business to be checked up on I'd assume.

I'm not judging on morality there, just an economic observation. :2twocents
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So am I. Can't see people in person? Just start taking it on film instead. Or be a camwhore. Your previously in-person customers will still pay for the videos etc.
 

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