You can see in the real world right now, no one in Australia that is vaccinated has died of covid in this outbreak, in the USA they are seeing the same thing, they are saying the Vaccines can reduce the chance of death from covid by more than 99.99%but will it ??
where is the data
they even unblinded the first trail 2 years early after it was given emergency approval
now the same doctor that claims a bone marrow biopsy or a shoulder re-construction is too dangerous because of my heart condition is desperate that i give me ( another ) experimental medical treatment
maybe he believes third time is a charm ( with experimental treatments )
Good analysis but I use a different one.Anything that depends on the weather and which is run in a businesslike manner will be heavily reliant on statistics and in particular the probability of various scenarios and the known extremes. Examples include agriculture, water supply, short term operations of electricity supply and so on.
A share trader trading a mechanical system will ultimately be relying on some set of statistical data, in particular the probability of various scenarios and the known extremes, in order to determine that the system gives them an edge and doesn't blow up. The details used will vary according to the situation but stand back and that's what it comes down to.
When it comes to vaccination the same applies. It's possible that a vaccine might kill you yes but based on available knowledge the probability massively favours vaccination being less likely to harm you than the disease it seeks to prevent.
That's much like saying that under certain scenarios it's possible that someone dies in a car crash because they were wearing a seat belt or because of the airbags deploying. That is possible indeed there are reported occurrences. Likewise at a guess it probably has happened that a building burnt down because the fire alarm caught fire. Theoretically it's possible and odds are it has happened somewhere at least once. Statistically however, you're far less likely to be killed by the belt, bag or alarm than that same belt, bag or alarm is to save your life. Statistical probability favours having it despite the new risk it creates.
In the absence of certainty I'll pick proper statistical data over random thoughts any day. There's no guarantee that turns out to be the right decision but most likely it will be and there's no "do nothing" option here, there's no option to simply say we'll do nothing right now and will collect some more data before we make a decision as someone might do with a proposed share trading system or the construction of a dam. In this case there's no option to do nothing, the virus is already up and running.
The economic impacts will continue rising until we've got a critical mass of people vaccinated. Only then, and I'm basing this on reports of the overseas experience, can we get back to business with any real certainty.
Try to keep it simple. Statistically if the vaccination was more dangerous than covid, due to the number of vaccines given we should have seen 20,000 people die of the vaccine, but we haven’t.Good analysis but I use a different one.
try this: you are looking to buy a car so you look up all the maker specs and choose one. You go to them and have a chat. You are told of company statistics on the model that are very favourable, they have advertising on tv that point out features, a govt spokesman has stated in the news that this local manufacturer builds first class cars, and the salesperson assures you personally that this car is the best so you buy.
That is what projab mushrooms do and think. Not only that, but they voice concerns that if only everyone else bought one the economy would recover.
Then someone else gets a wider opinion, goes for data overseas on models sold there that are available here and find out that the specs from the local company have been massively exaggerated and that those overseas specs cannot be used by the local dealer because the govt banned them saying they were not relevant here. So the buyer becomes suspicious and begins more research that is hard to find and discovers that the local car has caught fire and incinerated the occupants five times last year but a person who questioned this in the media was told there was no link to a fault, they were all caused by other non-connected issues and that making this public would be unAustralian and could harm the economy. The projab mushrooms who believe the local marketing get their knickers in a knot and label EVERYONE with a different view an antivaxer and tell others they are ruining the country when all they are trying to do is get some unbiased information without the spin so they do not get incinerated. Then they gradually find there are others doing the same and people who are able to find out all the problem data and research on alternative approaches not provided locally. A battle ensues where tv and govt continue to deny concerns and push ahead with their favourite and projab mushrooms live on the bs and are happy in the dark while others are hesitant.
Not many would agree that a car salesperson will be as objective as a medical scientist.Good analysis but I use a different one.
try this: you are looking to buy a car so you look up all the maker specs and choose one. You go to them and have a chat. You are told of company statistics on the model that are very favourable, they have advertising on tv that point out features, a govt spokesman has stated in the news that this local manufacturer builds first class cars, and the salesperson assures you personally that this car is the best so you buy.
It's actually the reverse. Antivaxxers use false and discredited information to make their case.That is what projab mushrooms do and think.
That's not a concern as you put it. It's a inevitable consequence of the proven effect of herd immunity.Not only that, but they voice concerns that if only everyone else bought one the economy would recover.
Not full herd immunity, but at least a herd buffer where there is enough vaccinated people that the virus spreads in a slow and bogged down manner rather super fast.so is 'critical mass ' , 'herd immunity ' ??
because there is certainly a mass of people out that are critical ( of government policy )
@pozindustrial has recently posted a link in 2 threads that makes many demonstrably false claims, and I have instanced it above.false information ??
Just offer evidence that what you think or believe is credible.i mean thousands of people ignore official government figures on employment and inflation , but that is OK , but quote inconvenient government data , that is a dangerous conspiracy cult
Yes, people with agendas other than public safety.by the way many urging caution on this vaccine are health professionals with some actually working in the vaccine industry ( like say Robert Malone or Geert Vanden Bossche , or Dr Byram Bridle )
Yes, people with agendas other than public safety.
You would do well to check the bona fides of professionals you quote.
Critical mass vaccinated or exposed.... So why not let healthy people get exposed? Let's look at bloody Sweden for once..whole story done and over there...protect the weak, let it run for the rest
Stats whatever ABC wants you to believe are known, and i would much prefer my 22y old son get covid, with Qld health keeping him be and not killing him in an hospital....than giving him an mRNA jab.
I want him to be alive and healthy in 15y
What can one say after checking out the rest of the stories on this website ...Surgeon fired by College of Medicine for voicing safety concerns about COVID shots for children
Surgeon fired by College of Medicine for voicing safety concerns about COVID shots for children
SASKATCHEWAN: The Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms represents Dr. Francis Christian, Clinical Professor of General Surgery at the University of Saskatchewan and a practising surgeon in Saskatoon. Dr. Christian was called into a meeting today, suspended from all teaching...vaccinedeaths.com
keep this for posterity
it might become educational
( Mengele loved experimenting of children ... and he is classed as one of the fathers of Genetics )
sure but if you read about it, lockdowns when any are decided wo political input so just to manage ICU loads, and they now have hardly any death from delta (0 to 1 a week out of 10 millions ...after letting the virus go and vaccinating frails...not exactly what has been done anywhere else, nor here; have a look at their GDP, their total number of death (1/4 of 2018 influenza).These are facts, unpleasant maybe but factsIt's a myth that Sweden has had hardly any restrictions. If you read the articles posted by the Swedish Government they have had quite a lot of restrictions, closures, density limits in place & are at step 3 of the 5 step plan tp open up.
Medical care
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and BTW, my (french ) sister went on a week end holidays there 2 weeks ago...Facts...opening up....It's a myth that Sweden has had hardly any restrictions. If you read the articles posted by the Swedish Government they have had quite a lot of restrictions, closures, density limits in place & are at step 3 of the 5 step plan tp open up.
Medical care
Medical care involves the measures taken to provide care for those who are ill and the development of medical and health care services. Care should...www.government.se
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