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1. Duc, a country can be multi-ethnic, multiracial and still be nationalistic
2. For instance in the United States, caucasians, african-americans, and indigenous, or indeed any other racial group can feel nationalistic about the United States
3. Indeed I myself as a Civic nationalist am not racist at all
Oh I apologise if you thought that I thought that you were accusing me, I was just using myself as an example.1. Absolutely.
2. Yes they can. That does not however prevent those who hold the power, from decreeing that some are more American/British/ than others. Take the massive backlashes in Europe currently [Austria/Germany/Norway/Sweden/Spain/France] on the immigration issues. The UK pulled out of Europe largely on immigration issues. All the governments are under pressure from increasingly nationalistic political adversaries to become more nationalistic, which essentially means: tough on immigration.
3. I am not accusing you of being one.
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duc
I do agree it potentially could be a slippery slope situation.I was not referring to you, rather when a country turns overly nationalistic, for any reason, including economic ones [are they not always], then it is a slippery slope for immigrants who often cop the blame for economic woes.
1. Oh I apologise if you thought that I thought that you were accusing me, I was just using myself as an example.
2. But is your point tWo such a bad thing if judiciously employed? I think a society- nation has the right to choose whom they admit to their Society.
3. Ultimately a nation has the responsibility to act in the best interests of their own nation and it's people. If that means excluding certain others, and that may not mean groups but maybe other cultural considerations, then so be it.
4. It may not involve racism at all.
I do agree it potentially could be a slippery slope situation.
Country x competes unfairly against businesses in country y.
People in country y not unreasonably object to businesses in their country being harmed and ordinary people being put out of work. Fair enough if the business in country x legitimately has a better product or means of production, business is business and people can accept it if someone else really has done it better, but it's not at all fair and reasonable if they're cheating by avoiding tax, underpaying workers or dumping waste in the ocean etc.
Ends with people in country y hating people in country x for what's happened when the real issue is the actions of government or business not the people as such.
I can see how that could happen yes.
In the same way it could be said, to pick some random examples:
*Trump doesn't speak for all Americans.
*That the UK voted to leave the EU doesn't mean everyone in Britain hates Germans, French or Italians. It's an economic and political thing, nothing personal.
*Regardless of who's in government at any given time, a decent % of Australians, or the residents of any particular state or territory, didn't vote for them and don't necessarily agree with their policies.
And so on.
For instance in the United States, caucasians, african-americans, and indigenous, or indeed any other racial group can feel nationalistic about the United States
I dont believe an open border policy is beneficial in any way1. Not an issue.
2. Which is, is it not, the slippery slope.
3. You either have open borders, or you do not. It is difficult, if not impossible, to find a middle ground. As a simplified example:
We live in a street of 5 houses. As neighbours we are all in agreement that if one [or more] wanted to sell and move away, that we would only sell to someone with 'XYZ' characteristics. Now those characteristics may, or may not, encompass racial characteristics.
Are we racist [assuming for a moment that 'XYZ' characteristics contain or are considered to be racist in their content] in exercising our legal property rights?
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duc
Of course, any ideology can range from pragmatic to ridiculous, left or right.Laudable up to a point, but it can go too far and can clog up the bs detector when strong nationalists stir the pot for their own benefit.
I dont believe an open border policy is beneficial in any way
Those people add to our society, but going from the sublime to the ridiculous, what if we allowed a massive influx of 13the century style Mongolians led by none other than a direct descendant of Genghis Khan...Ok.
So everyone in the country, like my street, is in agreement. No-one will sell immigrants any property, nor hire them in employment, nor contract them if self-employed.
You can have an open border policy and still have zero immigration.
Of course the example is silly. The reason being that self-interest will predominate. If an immigrant offers me a silly price for 'X', I'll likely take it. Or, I simply like immigration. Or any other reason.
Thus nationalism is political in nature. Where an elite decide who/when/where/etc. These decisions if 'nationalistic' tend to be discriminatory based on race.
If you need doctors/nurses/teachers/etc, does it matter which culture/ethnicity they are, assuming that they are qualified and competent?
Does it matter that they wish to practice their religion/culture/other in [your] country?
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duc
If you need doctors/nurses/teachers/etc, does it matter which culture/ethnicity they are, assuming that they are qualified and competent?
1. No, it doesn't matter in a practical sense. I would argue however that we shouldn't be poaching doctors from less developed countries unless those countries do in fact have a surplus of trained doctors and that we also should not be denying the opportunity that people born in Australia can become a doctor.
2. Immigration shouldn't be simply an easy way out to avoid the expense of training people in Australia to be doctors.
3. Same with anything. If there are young people in Australia wanting to train as plumbers (for example) then no, we should not be importing plumbers to fill gaps in the workforce. Instead we should train those who want to do it.
2. If immigration is [currently] the answer to a shortage, there is a failing in the system. It may be:
(a) There is not the training facilities/expertise to train/teach, or
(b) a lack of [suitable] candidates.
"Open border" is an oxymoron.
Promoting the idea of an open border is tantamount to promoting the idea of globalism (please note the difference between this and globalisation).
Globalism is nothing more than a sanitization and obfuscation of the terms "one world government" and/or "new world order".
Look no further than the EU project to see how this is not in the interests of ordinary folk and is starting to fail.
Human nature deems it cannot work in practice.
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