Dump Trump

[Junior]

5. I've never met him and outwith that declaration I do not like him.

I'm fascinated at how so many people seem to like him.....he rarely speaks any truth, he idolises dictators, he verbally abuses - in an utterly childish manner - anyone who dares disagree with or criticise him in any way. He is extremely unprofessional, has almost no relevant experience, and is running an absolute ****-show of a Government.

 

[Stock Jock]

 

[Smurf1976]

I'm fascinated at how so many people seem to like him.....

I'm by no means a liker of him in terms of his personality or performance as US President but he does offer one thing that appeals to many.

Pushback against globalisation.

It failed as a concept last time it was tried and my own view is that it's well on the way to failing again this time around. It brings some benefits most certainly but it has come at a huge cost with inequality and that's inherently unsustainable.

 

[SirRumpole]

I'm by no means a liker of him in terms of his personality or performance as US President but he does offer one thing that appeals to many.

Pushback against globalisation.

It failed as a concept last time it was tried and my own view is that it's well on the way to failing again this time around. It brings some benefits most certainly but it has come at a huge cost with inequality and that's inherently unsustainable.

Globalisation will ruin developed economies if it's allowed to run on.

Look at the industries that we have lost, electronics, tcf, auto manufacturing, food companies swallowed up, manufacturing etc. We can't even be a clever country any more because governments have hacked the heart out of tafes and universities and most uni graduates can't find a job.

Is Trump's way the best way to rectify this ? I don't know but he seems to be one of the few politicians around the world to even recognise that there is a problem, much less doing anything about it.

He's also right about China and technology theft. If we let them into our communications and internet systems we are like mice ready to be caught.

 

[Smurf1976]

Is Trump's way the best way to rectify this ? I don't know but he seems to be one of the few politicians around the world to even recognise that there is a problem, much less doing anything about it.

He's also right about China and technology theft.

Yep.

I'll add that it's in no way a racial thing, it's simply business. China is using every possible means to win the game and we need to do likewise.

 

[ducati916]

Yep.

I'll add that it's in no way a racial thing, it's simply business. China is using every possible means to win the game and we need to do likewise.

Well it is nationalism, which is only a small step from racism, is it not?

jog on
duc

 

[Stock Jock]

 

[Knobby22]

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Will they back pay them later?

 

[wayneL]

Well it is nationalism, which is only a small step from racism, is it not?

jog on
duc

Not at all.

 

[SirRumpole]

Would HE be this nepotistic ?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-16/ivanka-trump-for-world-bank-president/10719312

 

[PZ99]

Will they back pay them later?

From what I've read they usually get back paid.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/11/bill-on-federal-workers-back-pay-in-shutdown-heads-to-trump.html

 

[Stock Jock]

 

[Stock Jock]

 

[ducati916]

Not at all.

Historically it has been the case. What has changed?

jog on
duc

 

[Smurf1976]

Well it is nationalism, which is only a small step from racism, is it not?

No, there's a vast difference.

I have nothing against China or Chinese people other than that they are seeking to gain economic advantage by unfair means, that being to price labour below rates acceptable in developed countries.

Fix that problem, ensure that workers are employed under arrangements that would be acceptable in Australia, UK, France or other developed countries and I'm fine with it.

It's an economic issue not a racial or even nationalist one.

Likewise if I'm running a small business and doing everything legitimately then yes I'm going to object if I find that the competition just down the road is paying foreign students $5 an hour to do the work, isn't collecting GST and has by-passed the electricity meter. Should I become aware of that unfair competition, yes I'll be expecting that a stop is put to it real quick. That's in no way racist just because the owners and employees happen to be from wherever. It's simply about fair and reasonable competition in business.

 

[wayneL]

Historically it has been the case. What has changed?

jog on
duc

No, not at all Duc.

There are iterations of nationalism which include some form of racism, the Third Reich for example, but racism is not intrinsic to nationalism.

Civic Nationalism (the vast majority of Nationalists) contains no component of racism.

 

[ducati916]

No, not at all Duc.

There are iterations of nationalism which include some form of racism, the Third Reich for example, but racism is not intrinsic to nationalism.

Civic Nationalism (the vast majority of Nationalists) contains no component of racism.

I didn't claim that it was intrinsic. I claimed that it is a short step, which historically has been the case. A more recent example than Nazism, is Mugabe and Zimbabwe.

It is a short step from one's nation to, the original inhabitants, excluding immigrants.

jog on
duc

 

[ducati916]

No, there's a vast difference.

I have nothing against China or Chinese people other than that they are seeking to gain economic advantage by unfair means, that being to price labour below rates acceptable in developed countries.

Fix that problem, ensure that workers are employed under arrangements that would be acceptable in Australia, UK, France or other developed countries and I'm fine with it.

It's an economic issue not a racial or even nationalist one.

Likewise if I'm running a small business and doing everything legitimately then yes I'm going to object if I find that the competition just down the road is paying foreign students $5 an hour to do the work, isn't collecting GST and has by-passed the electricity meter. Should I become aware of that unfair competition, yes I'll be expecting that a stop is put to it real quick. That's in no way racist just because the owners and employees happen to be from wherever. It's simply about fair and reasonable competition in business.

I was not referring to you, rather when a country turns overly nationalistic, for any reason, including economic ones [are they not always], then it is a slippery slope for immigrants who often cop the blame for economic woes.

jog on
duc

 

[wayneL]

Duc, a country can be multi-ethnic, multiracial and still be nationalistic

For instance in the United States, caucasians, african-americans, and indigenous, or indeed any other racial group can feel nationalistic about the United States

Indeed I myself as a Civic nationalist am not racist at all

 

[wayneL]

And believe me I have examined this question long and hard. My posts on this very form of a few years ago will reveal my searching myself on this topic