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Dump it Here


Heads Up for “Share Trade Tracker” Users
A new version, of Share Trade Tracker, is expected to be released tomorrow. This update will rectify the current issue with fetching Yahoo free data for “End of Day Prices”.

Skate.
 
Following my above post may be you will ask me how can I get VUL, MSB, FND, DRO, RCR, and the rest bunches of stocks? I scan the whole market with this modified RoAR and at the exploration window I use scan from period. All ingredients are inside that binary spikes include RoAR indicators, indices, and how Activ trade (finds its stock candidate; I almost overlook this part). The only thing I don't use is MMA.

A typical swing system and not so busy trade. trigger will be based on this momentum indicator. exit will be 20MA only. Simple!

 
Knowing When to Change the Conversation
Recognising when to shift the topic is crucial in any discussion, and there are a few key indicators that I watch for. If my posts fail to resonate, there will likely be a lack of questions or comments, signalling little interest in the current topic. This is a clear sign that it’s time to change direction.

Additionally, when alternative views devolve from helpful criticism into personal attacks, continuing the conversation becomes unproductive. If the discussions become polarised, it’s often best for me to steer towards a new topic. By staying mindful of these telltale signs, I can remain positive and engaging, as my goal is to connect, not divide. So, I shift gears to maintain a constructive flow.

Skate.
 
Our Beliefs Are Very Tribal
It’s a given that we are all tribal. Rather than agreeing to disagree, many members are increasingly caught up in a kind of tribal fight where both sides exacerbate the sense of anger by reacting to everything. When a tribe member expresses a view, we tend to elevate their position because of our perceptions. The “Dump It Here” thread is not a contest of ideas but a community where alternative ideas are shared.

The “Dump It Here” thread aims to facilitate this process by encouraging members to question their assumptions, challenge their beliefs, and think outside the box. It’s a gradual process that ultimately leads to better decision-making abilities. This thread reflects our commitment to providing a space where members can exchange diverse ideas and experiences.

Skate.
 
The Importance of Listening to Alternative Views
People often tend not to listen to alternative views. Your predefined beliefs typically determine whether you agree or disagree with them. However, if you don’t listen, you forgo the right to understand their point of view.

Listening doesn’t mean you have to agree, but it does mean you respect the other person’s right to be heard. This approach not only broadens our own understanding but also helps bridge divides and build a stronger community.

Skate.
 
Moving Beyond the “Signal Generator”
In the past, I’ve discussed and shared the parameters of my “Signal Generator” strategy. However, I’ve decided to move on from that and focus my attention elsewhere.

My original plan was to track the performance of three MACD variations, incorporating valuable suggestions from forum members @peter2, @DaveTrade, and @DrBourse. The goal was to enhance the overall performance of these strategies, believing they held significant promise.

Additionally, I was going to introduce another MACD-based strategy, the “MACD Advanced Breakout Strategy.” Unfortunately, the previous MACD-related strategy hasn’t been as well-received as I had hoped.

By moving beyond the “Signal Generator” and the “Enhanced Signal Generator,” I’ll now focus on the “MACD Advanced Breakout Strategy” trading approach.

Skate.
 
The Advanced MACD Breakout Strategy
The “Advanced MACD Breakout Strategy” is a comprehensive trading approach that combines multiple technical indicators to generate buy and sell signals. Rest assured, I won’t be posting ongoing results. This advanced strategy utilises the MACD indicator with customisable fast, slow, and signal periods, along with a smoothing and normalisation period to fine-tune the signals.

Basic Overview
The “Advanced MACD Breakout Strategy” incorporates a 200-period simple moving average (SMA) to determine the overall trend, ensuring trades are made in the direction of the prevailing market trend. Additionally, the Relative Strength Index (RSI) is used to filter trades based on overbought and oversold conditions, with specific thresholds set for bullish and bearish signals. Volume conditions are also considered, requiring the current volume to exceed the average volume multiplied by a specified factor.

The “PercentageUp” Buy Filter
The “Advanced MACD Breakout Strategy” calculates the percentage of days the close price is higher than the open price to gauge market sentiment. This percentage must exceed a bullish threshold for buy signals or fall below a bearish threshold for sell signals. Buy signals are generated when the MACD signal line turns green, the trend is up, and "all filter conditions" are met.

The Exit Strategy
The Chandelier Stop, calculated using the Average True Range (ATR) and a multiplier, is employed to set exit points for trades. Conversely, sell signals are triggered when the MACD signal line turns red, the trend is down, or the price falls below the Chandelier Stop. The strategy plots buy and sell signals on the chart with arrows and labels, not “coloured bouncing balls,” to provide a clear and systematic approach to trading.

Skate.
 
The Advanced MACD Breakout Strategy Offers Several Benefits
The first two MACD strategies I’ve previously discussed provide valuable insights into the world of system trading. The “Advanced MACD Breakout Strategy” ratchets it up a notch by enhancing the accuracy of trading signals through the combination of multiple technical indicators, such as the MACD, SMA, and RSI. This multi-faceted approach helps filter out false signals and improves the precision of trading decisions.

Better Risk Management
The inclusion of the Chandelier Stop, using the Average True Range (ATR), helps set clear exit points for trades. This ensures that traders can protect their profits and minimise losses, leading to more effective risk management.

Trend Confirmation
Using the 200-period SMA to determine the overall trend ensures that trades are made in the direction of the prevailing market trend. This alignment with the broader trend increases the likelihood of successful trades.

Market Sentiment Analysis
The “PercentageUp” buy filter gauges market sentiment by calculating the percentage of days the close price is higher than the open price. This helps traders understand the underlying market conditions and make more informed decisions.

Summary

Overall, the “Advanced MACD Breakout Strategy” provides a systematic and comprehensive approach to trading, enhancing both accuracy and risk management.

Skate.
 
New academic paper.

The Three Types of Backtests. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4897573

Even if you are unable to follow the mathematics, the "systematic" simluations shown in this thread here are really quite sadly lacking. Some of the key takeways here that is not hard to incorporate many of these points at the starting point of a trading system.

The so-called "proven" "trading systems" presented in this stupidly-long thread (hint: create a new thread for each system, already) are sadly lacking.

I also note that all so-called "trading systems" appear have been snowflaked (discontinued reporting) on one day of negativity (where they gave up 2 months of gains in 1 day). Robust - nope!

To quote from the paper:


The paper continues in more detail.

I'm sure we'll continue to see more platitudes/motherhood statements posted in this thread.

The "wisdom" provided that describes "false signals", "improving precision". "increasing likelihood of successful trades", "more informed decisions", "enhancing accuracy" etc. are unjustified and unproven platitudes. These platitudes seriously look like they're written with Chat-GPT.

Either stop using such unproven (or unprovable) statements or provide empirical/statistical proof incorporating aspects of this paper, or I will continue to call out this practice of poor terminology.

If you hadn't guessed it, I'm all for the scientific method and will call out poor/bad science when I see it.
 
FYI, my summary posted into private forums for other systematic traders:

Interesting July 2024 paper incorporating lots of prior research on backtesting, backtesing quality, Monte Carlo, Sharpe plus risks related to selection bias, type I (rejecting null hypothesis/false positive) and type II (false negative) errors. de Prado is (5th) co-author.

 

@Richard Dale let me address some of your statements:
#1. "The so-called "proven" "trading systems" presented in this stupidly-long thread (hint: create a new thread for each system, already) are sadly lacking"

My Response to Richards's First Statement
@Richard Dale in a previous post, I listed every time I used the word "proven" and its context. I have never claimed that the systems I posted about are "proven": https://www.aussiestockforums.com/threads/dump-it-here.34425/post-1291439

Skate.
 
I also note that all so-called "trading systems" appear have been snowflaked (discontinued reporting) on one day of negativity (where they gave up 2 months of gains in 1 day). Robust - nope!

#2. "I also note that all so-called "trading systems" appear have been snowflaked (discontinued reporting) on one day of negativity (where they gave up 2 months of gains in 1 day). Robust - nope!"


My Response to Richard's Second Statement
@Richard Dale, the reason for stopping the ongoing trade performance reports was twofold. First, there was little interest in the current topic, making it less engaging. Second, and most importantly, @DaveTrade warned that this "trading idea" could be dangerous for beginners, as he highlighted in his comments above.

Regarding the recent performance of the “two bouncing balls” Signal Generator system, the last two weeks reflect the current market sentiment, which even the best systems would struggle to navigate.

As of yesterday, the results are shown in the equity curve. I believe this "simple idea" holds value for beginners as an introduction to system trading. However, its value is limited if it doesn’t engage others.

The final post
This is only posted to confirm that the recent sell-off hasn’t been kind to this trading idea, nor millions of others.






Skate.
 
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Disagreement should be an opportunity for constructive and respectful debate that advances the discussion in a positive way. I hope that is what occurs in this thread. I would urge all participants not to let anger and/or frustration get the better of them.
 

#3. "I'm sure we'll continue to see more platitudes/motherhood statements posted in this thread. The "wisdom" provided that describes "false signals", "improving precision". "increasing likelihood of successful trades", "more informed decisions", "enhancing accuracy" etc. are unjustified and unproven platitudes. These platitudes seriously look like they're written with Chat-GPT."

My Response to Richard's Third Statement
@Richard Dale I understand my writing and posting style may not appeal to everyone, and I’ve faced criticism before. We all have a unique way of expressing ourselves, and to some degree, we are all wordsmiths in our own right. My goal is to share trading knowledge I’ve found useful and to promote trading ideas, though I admit my approach may not always be universally accepted or preferred.

My intention is not to push any specific trading strategies but rather to foster constructive discussions around the exchange of ideas. I’m always looking to improve as a contributor to this forum. I welcome open, polite, and thoughtful critiques of my posts, as I’m here to learn as much as to inform.

I’ve made many posts to encourage members to share their alternative trading ideas, as trading can be confusing for all of us. Your contributions are meaningful, and I aim to keep you engaged.

Skate.
 
while i applaud Skate for trying to keep ideas simple
a novice should realize SOME professional traders succeed by taking LARGE risks

now the recent drop was blamed on 'the Japan carry-trade ' unwinding .. hint the BoJ only raised rates by 0.25% , normally a trader could have taken such a hit and unwound with acceptable losses , but most commentators i have heard 'guess ' the trading strategy was done with 5 times leverage !!

given some in the British Gilt ( Treasury bonds ) debacle ( causing the Bank of England to throw out lifelines ) were believed to be using 50 times leverage ( i have no idea how you sweet-talk that sort of deal out of your lender , but that MAY have happened )

trading by it's nature is risky enough , please assess your risk factors sensibly , there is always the potential for a downside event
 

#4. "Either stop using such unproven (or unprovable) statements or provide empirical/statistical proof incorporating aspects of this paper, or I will continue to call out this practice of poor terminology. If you hadn't guessed it, I'm all for the scientific method and will call out poor/bad science when I see it".

My Response to Richard's Fourth Statement
@Richard Dale, as I mentioned earlier, I’ve decided to stop posting about the Signal Generator displaying “coloured bouncing balls” and have explained my reasons. I recognise your credentials and have acknowledged them. Your strong views are noted.

Who would have guessed
That a simple two-rule system could generate so much discussion? The rules are straightforward: buy the next day after a lime dot appears and sell the next day after a fuchsia dot. This idea was an entry into system trading, allowing new traders to evaluate and experiment with a structured approach.




The other colours
The “Red” and “Green,” dots are just confirmation dots and add nothing more than cosmetic value.



Skate.
 
and for the novices .. a truly bad example

i will call this the lunatic knife-catching style

earlier this morning i picked up ( extra ) TEG , the order was for 0.7 cents but the market re-opened at 0.6 cents ( lucky me strikes again )

and will be looking to reduce @ 1.5 (ish ) ... eventually , and dilute previous losses ( i have held since 2011 )

now this will NOT ( in my prediction ) crystallize on overall profit , but if successful will dilute my losses in this stock ( and increase the holding )

... but the announcement was negative , and the market reaction came right at me , ( thanks sellers )
 
Have you ever wondered why you never seem to get positioned?

FWIW : Maybe if you move your decimal point might help?
 
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