Does Gillard inspire confidence?

[Logique]

...I agree. They would definitely get my vote if an election were held tomorrow. But that's a measure of how disgusted I am with Labor, rather than a strong belief the Coalition is about to be Australia's salvation.

I think the Coalition's political strategy is reasonable. When a government is so far off the rails, '..lost it's way..' as it were (now truly entered 'Bizarro World'), why as an opposition cause distractions.

Also why feed them free policies, to be, after a suitable period, re-introduced as Labor's own? The Coalition are playing the long game. Every day that goes by, Labor and the Greens dig themselves into a deeper hole.

 

[Intrinsic Value]

I think the Coalition's political strategy is reasonable. When a government is so far off the rails, '..lost it's way..' as it were (now truly entered 'Bizarro World'), why as an opposition cause distractions.

Also why feed them free policies, to be, after a suitable period, re-introduced as Labor's own? The Coalition are playing the long game. Every day that goes by, Labor and the Greens dig themselves into a deeper hole.

That is fair enough up to a point.

But you have to show you have something in the kitbag.

Running a negative line is all well and good and it may well be enough to win an election but it does nothing to inspire me that they have a better grip on managing the country.

 

[Julia]

That is fair enough up to a point.

But you have to show you have something in the kitbag.

Running a negative line is all well and good and it may well be enough to win an election but it does nothing to inspire me that they have a better grip on managing the country.

Thank you, IV. That's what I was trying to say.

I'm personally becoming irritated at Tony Abbott's superficial sloganeering. It's somewhat insulting to those in the electorate who are looking for something of greater substance.
Both sides at present, imo, are giving considerable credence to Lindsay Tanner's suggestion that politics has become largely a sideshow.

 

[noco]

I've had another look at your earlier link and don't see anything about "Winter of Discomfort". Perhaps you could post a link to this?
Meanwhile, my earlier comment about the blog article representing Bolt's and Milne's take on how they see things stands. They are, to be quite fair, less than objective.




I agree. They would definitely get my vote if an election were held tomorrow. But that's a measure of how disgusted I am with Labor, rather than a strong belief the Coalition is about to be Australia's salvation.

No doubt this is what you are looking for Julia.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...er-of-discontent/story-fn59niix-1226069670669

 

[noco]

Would appreciate a link or article title if avail Noco.

Sorry I took so long to find this link. I had to read through the Weekend Australian page 14 dated 4-5 June 2011 and then find the article on the net.

Apparently Hawkie had been quoting this to guests at various business dinners. He may deny his quotes if confronted by the media though.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ront-against-tax/story-e6frgd0x-1226068917285

 

[IFocus]

I think the Coalition's political strategy is reasonable. When a government is so far off the rails, '..lost it's way..' as it were (now truly entered 'Bizarro World'), why as an opposition cause distractions.

Also why feed them free policies, to be, after a suitable period, re-introduced as Labor's own? The Coalition are playing the long game. Every day that goes by, Labor and the Greens dig themselves into a deeper hole.

Agree the Coalitions current strategy to gain power is the absolute correct game. The danger for Abbott is that the election if we go full term is a long way off in political time.

I do get the feeling that if Labor gets the tax's over the line and a regional boat people policy that works / nothing to controversial with the NBN (all big ifs at this stage but do able) then the focus will come back to haunt the Coalition and they are fragile and vulnerable in many areas after so many 3 worded slogans.

Another factor / wild card (unknown at this stage) that tends to define governments more so than the current squabbles is world events that impact at home. Should the sovereign dept problems facing Europe / Japan blow up before the next election then Abbott will be likely toasted.

 

[drsmith]

I do get the feeling that if Labor gets the tax's over the line and a regional boat people policy that works / nothing to controversial with the NBN (all big ifs at this stage but do able) then the focus will come back to haunt the Coalition and they are fragile and vulnerable in many areas after so many 3 worded slogans.

Big if's ??

Very big if's if track record is anything to go by.

If Malaysia fails as as an asylum seeker option, what's next ?, the dark side of the moon.

All Tony Abbott has to do is sit back and watch the Labor boat sink in its own stormy seas. Politically, no one can blame him for doing that.

 

[Ruby]

I do get the feeling that if Labor gets the tax's over the line and a regional boat people policy that works......

Those 'ifs' don't look very promising to me at present. Gillard seems to be floundering more and more with each step she takes. She certainly might get the tax over the line but it will do nothing for her popularity. The boat people plan is a huge fiasco.

My thought is that she will hang on as long as she can, keep getting deeper in the mire of her own ineptitude, because if she were to call an election she would be finished.

I don't detect much confidence in her at all.

 

[IFocus]

Big if's ??

Very big if's if track record is anything to go by.

If Malaysia fails as as an asylum seeker option, what's next ?, the dark side of the moon.

All Tony Abbott has to do is sit back and watch the Labor boat sink in its own stormy seas. Politically, no one can blame him for doing that.

Very true about the track record and as a trend following trader I would'nt put money on Labor at this point.

But the stakes are very high for both sides not just Gillard.

I still think that not a lot has to improve for Gillard for the pressure and spot light to fall back onto Abbott.

One thing that Abbott is not addressing is the large amount of deadwood on his front bench while there is real talented new blood on the back bench apparently getting impatient.

 

[drsmith]

I still think that not a lot has to improve for Gillard for the pressure and spot light to fall back onto Abbott.

Very thin gruel though in this thread.

 

[Logique]

..One thing that Abbott is not addressing is the large amount of deadwood on his front bench while there is real talented new blood on the back bench apparently getting impatient.

I can think of one Coalition front bencher I'd be demoting. Or possibly two. And I don't mean the manager of opposition business.

Bring it on.

 

[Julia]

No doubt this is what you are looking for Julia.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...er-of-discontent/story-fn59niix-1226069670669

Good, thanks noco.

I do get the feeling that if Labor gets the tax's over the line and a regional boat people policy that works / nothing to controversial with the NBN (all big ifs at this stage but do able) then the focus will come back to haunt the Coalition and they are fragile and vulnerable in many areas after so many 3 worded slogans.

Agree.

Another factor / wild card (unknown at this stage) that tends to define governments more so than the current squabbles is world events that impact at home. Should the sovereign dept problems facing Europe / Japan blow up before the next election then Abbott will be likely toasted.

Can you say why you think the Coalition would be more affected by something like this than the government?

Those 'ifs' don't look very promising to me at present. Gillard seems to be floundering more and more with each step she takes. She certainly might get the tax over the line but it will do nothing for her popularity. The boat people plan is a huge fiasco.

My thought is that she will hang on as long as she can, keep getting deeper in the mire of her own ineptitude, because if she were to call an election she would be finished.

I don't detect much confidence in her at all.

All true enough, Ruby, but let's remember that repeated polls are still showing her as preferred PM over Tony Abbott. Many people will vote according to whom they want as PM rather than policies.

Much as I can't stand Ms Gillard, I don't think the crux of Labor's problem is the PM.
Rather their utter incompetence as a party with haphazard policies pretty much all on the run. Changing the PM won't alter this and would have the downside of leaving them open to ridicule for yet again changing leaders.

Very true about the track record and as a trend following trader I would'nt put money on Labor at this point.

But the stakes are very high for both sides not just Gillard.

I still think that not a lot has to improve for Gillard for the pressure and spot light to fall back onto Abbott.

Agree on this. If the Malaysian solution works, then that's one of Abbott's main bullets gone. Then if the carbon tax is legislated and the electorate is well compensated, the "big new tax" slogan loses its impact.

One thing that Abbott is not addressing is the large amount of deadwood on his front bench while there is real talented new blood on the back bench apparently getting impatient.

Who do you have in mind here, i.e. both the deadwood and the new talent?
Scott Morrison stands out for me in terms of good performance. Greg Hunt, on the other hand, who did look promising, is imo not fulfilling that early promise.

I can think of one Coalition front bencher I'd be demoting. Or possibly two. And I don't mean the manager of opposition business.

Bring it on.

Why are you being coy about naming whom you mean Logique?

 

[joea]

A survey of 150 CEO'S of $100 million plus companies have rated Julia Gillard 3.3 out of 10.
This is down on 4.8 at the end of last year.
By coincidence her polls show 35%.

This can be found on Business Speculator under "Giving up the Gillard Ghost"
It is called Accenture CEO Pulse Survey.

Not much hope here!!!
Cheers ( but then there's not much to cheer about)

 

[sails]

...Scott Morrison stands out for me in terms of good performance...

Actually, I agree, Julia. Saw him recently on TV (might have been Bolt's show) and he articulates very well. Could be a contender down the track. However, at this point in time, I agree with Logique's post below:

I think the Coalition's political strategy is reasonable. When a government is so far off the rails, '..lost it's way..' as it were (now truly entered 'Bizarro World'), why as an opposition cause distractions.

Also why feed them free policies, to be, after a suitable period, re-introduced as Labor's own? The Coalition are playing the long game. Every day that goes by, Labor and the Greens dig themselves into a deeper hole.

The lefties seem desperate for anything for which they can criticise Abbott. And labor are not beyond pinching coalition policies (with the exception of Pacific Solution unfortunately), regurgitating them somewhat, and then presenting them as their own.

Personally, I think the coalition may not be aware just how much damage labor has done financially. It would be difficult to make promises when you don't know if those promises can be kept.

I also think the coalition's first priority in government will be to sort out these massive messes created by labor, get the Pacific Solution back up and running and give the co2 issues more time. Carbon tax seems indecent haste with claims being made by the PM that the science is settled (or so I understand) when it is still very much controversial.

 

[trainspotter]

I wonder if Juliar Gizzard will ask Pinko Peter Garrett to use the song "Beds are Burning" as her next campaign song?

‘The time has come to say fair’s fair, to pay the rent, to do our share,
How do we sleep while our beds are burning?'

 

[noco]

Time for Gillard to go. She is not only a laughing stock in Australia but overseas as well.

She is just not suited for the job. If she were a CEO of a large organisation she would have been booted out long ago.

Hawkie might right when he is telling people at dinner meetings, she will be gone in 3 months. But, will we then have a replacement worse than her?

Where's Kevin 11 while all these debacles are in progress. He seems to be gone up in smoke leaving his carbon foot print where ever he goes.

FOOT NOTE : Rudd's bid for UN Secretary General's job looks going up in smoke as well. Ki-Moon is applying for another 5 year term in office.



http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai..._no_whitlam_not_even_a_fraser_or_gasp_a_rudd/

 

[noco]

Gillard's credibility in foreign policy and diplomacy appears to be getting worse day by day. She has become the laughing stock of the world. Kevin Rudd and Stephen Smith noteably are steering clear of the whole fiasco and probably laughing their heads off in the background.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...aging-the-nation/story-fn59niix-1226071961248

 

[noco]

The link below sums up Juliar Gillard to a tee..

She is NOT suited for the job and must go.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...d-is-out-of-step/story-e6frgd0x-1226075230299

 

[trainspotter]

The knives are out for Juliar Gizzard.

NEXT week marks a year since Julia Gillard became Prime Minister -- and first made the promises that have killed her.

What's unfolded since has been one of the most incredible self-destructions in Australian politics.

It's Shakespearean, how this feminist hero and darling of even conservatives such as Alan Jones became the hapless joke we saw on 60 Minutes on Sunday, giggling awkwardly outside her boyfriend's shed at The Lodge as she meekly obeyed his ban on women.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/gillard-fails-every-test-in-first-year/story-fn6bn88w-1226075198950

 

[Logique]

The link below sums up Juliar Gillard to a tee....http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...d-is-out-of-step/story-e6frgd0x-1226075230299

With surgical precision from Janet Albrechtsen. December is the political 'killing season', interesting times lie ahead. Stunning that 82% of Fairfax readers (SMH today - see Gillard Govt thread) think PM Gillard can't recover.

Jeez, just take the (very attractive) perks and resign. But the hard Left and the Sisterhood won't give up that easily. Nor the 'limelight' Two Amigos.