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About 10 yrs ago an elderly person dear to me became a zombie, unable to eat, drink, move, or converse and completely paranoid. This story illustrates how medical doctors get caught up and cannot change and one reason why they all (except hospital frontliners) toe the line about vaccines so people who consult their local doctor will not get objective advice.
We rang the family doctor and he went through different scenarios, none of which seemed likely. Going through medications we saw she was taking benzodiazepines (valium, sleeping pills, anti-anxiety pills) and happened to look at the side effects. They were the closest to what we had seen over the previous month than anything else put forward. We had a consult with the doctor, then a psychiatrist and both said it could not be the sleeping pills. This was repeated by at least a dozen doctors at the various hospitals and care centres she went through. These days they warn everyone of their addictive nature, but not then.
At the time I had been in touch with an organisation that was government-funded and had been educating doctors about the evils of these medications and that after 3 weeks of use they begin to cause the symptoms of anxiety and sleeplessness that they are designed to overcome. They told me that doctors often walked out of meetings. After prescribing them for 20-30 years they could not admit there was a problem. So I would not expect an objective opinion from them about vaccines. You need to go elsewhere.
We rang the family doctor and he went through different scenarios, none of which seemed likely. Going through medications we saw she was taking benzodiazepines (valium, sleeping pills, anti-anxiety pills) and happened to look at the side effects. They were the closest to what we had seen over the previous month than anything else put forward. We had a consult with the doctor, then a psychiatrist and both said it could not be the sleeping pills. This was repeated by at least a dozen doctors at the various hospitals and care centres she went through. These days they warn everyone of their addictive nature, but not then.
At the time I had been in touch with an organisation that was government-funded and had been educating doctors about the evils of these medications and that after 3 weeks of use they begin to cause the symptoms of anxiety and sleeplessness that they are designed to overcome. They told me that doctors often walked out of meetings. After prescribing them for 20-30 years they could not admit there was a problem. So I would not expect an objective opinion from them about vaccines. You need to go elsewhere.
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As we have said on here it has become a case of people either take a vaccine, or take the virus, as eventually everyone will get it.
It becomes a personal choice.
The results coming out of the U.K seem to support that.
www.smh.com.au
The article:
London: The Delta variant of COVID-19 has wrecked any chance of herd immunity, according to the Oxford scientist who led the AstraZeneca vaccine team, as he called for an end to mass testing so Britain could start to live with the virus.
Scientists who addressed the UK’s all-party parliamentary group on coronavirus said it was time to accept that there is no way of stopping the virus spreading through the entire population, and monitoring people with mild symptoms was no longer helpful.
Professor Andrew Pollard, who led the Oxford vaccine team, said it was clear that the Delta variant can still infect people who have been vaccinated, which made herd immunity impossible to reach, even with the UK’s high uptake.
The Department of Health confirmed on Tuesday that more than three quarters of adults in britain have received both jabs and calculated that 60,000 deaths and 66,900 hospitalisations have been prevented by the vaccines.
Speaking to the all-party parliamentary group on coronavirus, Sir Andrew said: “Anyone who is still unvaccinated will, at some point, meet the virus.
“We don’t have anything that will stop transmission, so I think we are in a situation where herd immunity is not a possibility, and I suspect the virus will throw up a new variant that is even better at infecting vaccinated individuals.”
Analysis by Public Health England has shown that when vaccinated people catch the virus, they have a similar viral load to unvaccinated individuals, and may be as infectious.
Paul Hunter, a professor at the University of East Anglia and an expert in infectious diseases, told the committee: “The concept of herd immunity is unachievable because we know the infection will spread in unvaccinated populations and the latest data is suggesting that two doses is probably only 50 per cent protective against infection.
“We need to move away from reporting infections to actually reporting the number of people who are ill. Otherwise we are going to be frightening ourselves with very high numbers that don’t translate into disease burden.”
On Tuesday, Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, confirmed that third dose booster shots would be given from next month. However, Pollard argued that Britain could be continually vaccinating the population for no real health benefit if mass testing continued.
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“I think as we look at the adult population going forward, if we continue to chase community testing and are worried about those results, we’re going to end up in a situation where we’re constantly boosting to try and deal with something which is not manageable,” he said.
“It needs to be moving to clinically driven testing in which people are willing to get tested and treated and managed, rather than lots of community testing. If someone is unwell, they should be tested, but for their contacts, if they’re not unwell, then it makes sense for them to be in school and being educated.”
Dr Ruchi Sinha, consultant paediatrician at Imperial College Healthcare NHS Trust, told MPs and peers that choosing not to vaccinate children would be unlikely to cause problems in the health service.
“What matters is the burden of patient hospitalisation and critical care and actually there hasn’t been as much with this Delta variant,” she said. “They tend to be the children who have got their comorbidities, obesity, or severe neurological problems and those children are already considered for vaccination. COVID-19 on its own in paediatrics is not the problem.
It becomes a personal choice.
The results coming out of the U.K seem to support that.
AstraZeneca lead scientist says Delta makes mass testing pointless in UK
Sir Andrew Pollard told British MPs that Delta was so widespread, it made sense to only test and treat people with symptoms, rather than all their contacts.
London: The Delta variant of COVID-19 has wrecked any chance of herd immunity, according to the Oxford scientist who led the AstraZeneca vaccine team, as he called for an end to mass testing so Britain could start to live with the virus.
Scientists who addressed the UK’s all-party parliamentary group on coronavirus said it was time to accept that there is no way of stopping the virus spreading through the entire population, and monitoring people with mild symptoms was no longer helpful.
Professor Andrew Pollard, who led the Oxford vaccine team, said it was clear that the Delta variant can still infect people who have been vaccinated, which made herd immunity impossible to reach, even with the UK’s high uptake.
The Department of Health confirmed on Tuesday that more than three quarters of adults in britain have received both jabs and calculated that 60,000 deaths and 66,900 hospitalisations have been prevented by the vaccines.
Speaking to the all-party parliamentary group on coronavirus, Sir Andrew said: “Anyone who is still unvaccinated will, at some point, meet the virus.
“We don’t have anything that will stop transmission, so I think we are in a situation where herd immunity is not a possibility, and I suspect the virus will throw up a new variant that is even better at infecting vaccinated individuals.”
Analysis by Public Health England has shown that when vaccinated people catch the virus, they have a similar viral load to unvaccinated individuals, and may be as infectious.
Paul Hunter, a professor at the University of East Anglia and an expert in infectious diseases, told the committee: “The concept of herd immunity is unachievable because we know the infection will spread in unvaccinated populations and the latest data is suggesting that two doses is probably only 50 per cent protective against infection.
“We need to move away from reporting infections to actually reporting the number of people who are ill. Otherwise we are going to be frightening ourselves with very high numbers that don’t translate into disease burden.”
On Tuesday, Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, confirmed that third dose booster shots would be given from next month. However, Pollard argued that Britain could be continually vaccinating the population for no real health benefit if mass testing continued.
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“I think as we look at the adult population going forward, if we continue to chase community testing and are worried about those results, we’re going to end up in a situation where we’re constantly boosting to try and deal with something which is not manageable,” he said.
“It needs to be moving to clinically driven testing in which people are willing to get tested and treated and managed, rather than lots of community testing. If someone is unwell, they should be tested, but for their contacts, if they’re not unwell, then it makes sense for them to be in school and being educated.”
Dr Ruchi Sinha, consultant paediatrician at Imperial College Healthcare NHS Trust, told MPs and peers that choosing not to vaccinate children would be unlikely to cause problems in the health service.
“What matters is the burden of patient hospitalisation and critical care and actually there hasn’t been as much with this Delta variant,” she said. “They tend to be the children who have got their comorbidities, obesity, or severe neurological problems and those children are already considered for vaccination. COVID-19 on its own in paediatrics is not the problem.
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More stuff to consider:
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MIT & Harvard Study Suggests mRNA Vaccine Might Permanently Alter DNA After All - Algora Blog
Dr. Doug Corrigan via Science With Dr. Doug “The authors sought to answer how a PCR test is able to detect segments of viral RNA when the virus is presumably absent from a person’s body. They hypothesized that somehow segments of the viral RNA were being copied into DNA and then integrated...
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Sadly @wayneL has a very long history of pushing pseudoscience, and this guy's rubbish has been doing the rounds in the antivaxxer space since last year.More stuff to consider:
MIT & Harvard Study Suggests mRNA Vaccine Might Permanently Alter DNA After All - Algora Blog
Dr. Doug Corrigan via Science With Dr. Doug “The authors sought to answer how a PCR test is able to detect segments of viral RNA when the virus is presumably absent from a person’s body. They hypothesized that somehow segments of the viral RNA were being copied into DNA and then integrated...
Unless there is a fundamental change in biological knowledge, what is being claimed is impossible. It has been explained by experts many times, and here's one example.
Unfortunately the best read is not free on the web, but Alan McHughen's book "DNA Demystified: Unraveling the Double Helix" also explains that mRNA cannot do what the twit in the linked post claims.
This video shows how mRNA vaccines work:
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My major concern isn't the vaccine itself but the carrier used. We simply don't have a lot of studies on the effects of lipid nanoparticles. Or lnp toxicity.
Yes it's regard as relatively safe with the studies we have but almost all literature states that "we need more studies into the effects".
I don't think the vaccine should be compulsory.
Yes it's regard as relatively safe with the studies we have but almost all literature states that "we need more studies into the effects".
I don't think the vaccine should be compulsory.
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Recently in the Spectator:
spectator.com.au
Basically, the vaccinated are now getting sick . Top experts elsewhere say it resembles antibody enhancement ie the vaccine makes you highly infectious. We might see the same thing happen here.
Most Covid patients at Israeli hospital fully vaccinated? What does this mean for Australia? | The Spectator Australia
Israel has been held up as the “gold standard” of how to conduct the coronavirus vaccine rollout. It has seen approximately 70% of its population receive the jab. The Israelis have relied in the main…
spectator.com.au
Basically, the vaccinated are now getting sick . Top experts elsewhere say it resembles antibody enhancement ie the vaccine makes you highly infectious. We might see the same thing happen here.
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Not good news.Recently in the Spectator:
Most Covid patients at Israeli hospital fully vaccinated? What does this mean for Australia? | The Spectator Australia
Israel has been held up as the “gold standard” of how to conduct the coronavirus vaccine rollout. It has seen approximately 70% of its population receive the jab. The Israelis have relied in the main…
Basically, the vaccinated are now getting sick . Top experts elsewhere say it resembles antibody enhancement ie the vaccine makes you highly infectious. We might see the same thing happen here.
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This has been covered many times, yet resurfaces time and again.Recently in the Spectator:
Most Covid patients at Israeli hospital fully vaccinated? What does this mean for Australia? | The Spectator Australia
Israel has been held up as the “gold standard” of how to conduct the coronavirus vaccine rollout. It has seen approximately 70% of its population receive the jab. The Israelis have relied in the main…
Basically, the vaccinated are now getting sick .
If everyone is vaccinated who gets sick?
People who are vaccinated, of course.
They are called breakthrough cases.
In this study 2.6% were breakthroughs, and none were hospitalised.
A false claim.
Where are these experts?
This is all that matters.
Yes you may get sick. But you won't be getting some of the extreme symptoms covid can bring. You should also recover faster.
A study on breakthrough cases. The conclusions are "the data reported from these states indicate that breakthrough cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are extremely rare events among those who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19."
COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Cases: Data from the States | KFF
We reviewed the websites and other official state sources for all 50 states and D.C. to see which are providing data on COVID-19 breakthrough cases, hospitalizations and deaths, how regularly, and what those data may tell us.
www.kff.org
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Written by a lawyer?
Then the disclaimer?
No comparable data for numbers if unvaccinated.
Then ends with an argument against mandatory vax which is fine but doing the build up to that point using a dodgy scare piece then that would be a lawyer...no?
Dr Rocco Loiacono is a Senior Lecturer at Curtin University Law School.
The views expressed in this article are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of Curtin University.
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It isn't an objective opinion piece either. The closing sentence indicates an established bias. That detracts from the arguments presented in the article.
An article covering some of my concerns on LNP. I feel like it's purposely being neglected in the media.
https://medium.com/microbial-instin...nto-the-brain-what-to-make-of-it-42b1a98dae27
To tell you the truth I feel like AstraZeneca and its problems was a true bait and switch. Pfizer being touted by media as safer may not actually be the case. I suppose we are all long term test studies now. Unfortunately whatever we may develop (in terms of damage to the body) will be explained away.
https://medium.com/microbial-instin...nto-the-brain-what-to-make-of-it-42b1a98dae27
To tell you the truth I feel like AstraZeneca and its problems was a true bait and switch. Pfizer being touted by media as safer may not actually be the case. I suppose we are all long term test studies now. Unfortunately whatever we may develop (in terms of damage to the body) will be explained away.
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Australia has not yet approved all the vaccines approved by the WHO.
Currently WHO has evaluated that the following vaccines against COVID-19 have met the necessary criteria for safety and efficacy:
The last 2 vaccines are not as efficacious, but the are also old school so won't have the possible concerns raised in the linked article.
I think AstraZeneca tech has been used in previous vacancies TB, Mars, malaria, Ebola?
AZ uses viral vector.
But yeah who would of thought the west would experiment on the general pop more than the Chinese government seemed prepared to do.
