Well jump in and get your AstraZeneca straight away Rob.Every week's delay in getting to herd immunity costs our economy around $5B, so the notion that it's ok to go slow is not well founded.
That's also ignoring our abysmal efforts on vaccine production and worse on coordinating the actual rollout.
WRT to vaccine production, India are global leaders, not China.
Elsewhere I posted on the gross failure at an international level to agree to a vaccine IP waiver that would enable countries with vaccine production capabilities to get cracking on vaccines doses to meet global needs. The WHO are pushing for this to happen, but the west are preferring to refocus on an origins blame game.
@sptrawler - we have filled the cup with incompetents. Australia should have done much better. And internationally capitalism has failed much of the world by placing profits ahead of people.
Sometimes we deserve the governments we get, but this pandemic has shown us what the real cost can be when leaders are more interested in saving their own bacon than their citizens.
I'm not against vaccines per say, but rushing out one shows two things, one the amount of panic behind covid 19 and two the chances of a problem with the vaccine obviously is higher.
Should I still turn up for my AstraZeneca appointment? Your questions answered
Should I proceed with my scheduled AstraZeneca vaccine? Should I have the second jab if I’ve already had the first? We answer some of the latest COVID-19 questions.www.theage.com.au
And if we had the same number of covid cases as most overseas Countries, I would agree, but as things are ATM I'm happy for a slow roll out.The chances of blood clots are so small that I'd still take it as it's a better alternative to catching covid.
And if we had the same number of covid cases as most overseas Countries, I would agree, but as things are ATM I'm happy for a slow roll out.
Who knows, if people had to register online if they wanted the vaccine ASAP, the numbers might be such that the Government could keep up already. ?Can't disagree there.
Let others sort the problems out.
My doctor reckons I might get a jab in 3-4 months, but his clinic is not set up for the rollout. If they offer AZ then I will wait until a safer alternative is available. AZ is more likely to harm healthy people than covid.Well jump in and get your AstraZeneca straight away Rob.
Well IMO, at least you are showing some common sense, but it might be fleeting. ?My doctor reckons I might get a jab in 3-4 months, but his clinic is not set up for the rollout. If they offer AZ then I will wait until a safer alternative is available. AZ is more likely to harm healthy people than covid.
Imagine if Morrison had the AstraZeneca already rolled out to half the population, you would be having a bigger field day than you are now, he could give you the world and you still would bag him.As to incompetent governments, I reckon Morrison deserves special recognition. He's a litany of missteps, and this vaccine rollout shows what he is capable of stuffing up. We were supposed to get the safest vaccines available because we were in no hurry - after being told we would be amongst the first - what a croc!
A fleet of pigs is flying past my window.Imagine if Morrison had the AstraZeneca already rolled out to half the population, you would be having a bigger field day than you are now, he could give you the world and you still would bag him.
I reckon anything could fly past your window Rob, christ knows what you take. ?A fleet of pigs is flying past my window.
Imagine that.
Interesting article on the state of play in China, with regard the vaccine.
From the article:In a turnaround, China is starting to lose the COVID Cold War
The success of Beijing’s lockdown pushed the West into an existential crisis. Now, the success of Western vaccines brings questions about China’s rise.www.smh.com.au
In an astonishing admission of weakness, China’s top disease control official has confirmed that the efficacy of the country’s COVID vaccines is low. With trials abroad suggesting that protection rates could be as poor as 50 per cent, the country’s regulator is now considering whether to mix jabs to boost their effectiveness.
By the way, Chinese domestic travel is virtually unrestricted: your phone app is the basis for determining if you are allowed to travel. Moreover, thousands of Chinese are travelling to work on overseas projects if they have been vaccinated.This is a catastrophe forChina.Australia
The country is stuck in an unsustainable zero COVID trap, only able to maintain an upper hand over the virus by closing its borders to almost all foreigners and limiting domestic travel.
Perhaps change "candid" (above) to BRUTAL.BeijingAustralia could be left behind within months, as rival countries reach herd immunity and reopen for global business. On this point, even theChineseAustralian commentariat has been remarkably candid.
You need to stop believing everything you read!
I guarantee you that the statement you refer to does not exist.
China's vaccines are around 80% effective. The chances are that many posting here do not know what that actually means, and that's due to a peculiarity with covid. With covid you can be asymptomatic, so actually be carrying the disease and not know it.
Another confounding measure is "illness" itself. With a flu vaccine you either get flu symptoms or you don't, but with a covid vaccine there are literally dozens of possible symptoms yet it's possible that none lead to a positive covid outcome. Or, for that matter, the symptom may be so mild as to be unsure it's meaningful, eg. cough, headache or muscle ache.
Next is what happens if you do get ill. From what I have seen published, Chinese vaccines have an extremely low rate of cases needing hospitalisation and none of the trials in multiple countries lead to deaths that were linked to covid.
So while the Chinese vaccines are not in the +90% efficacy range, they also do not have the deaths that are probable from the AZ vaccine.
And is the pot calling the kettle black?
By the way, Chinese domestic travel is virtually unrestricted: your phone app is the basis for determining if you are allowed to travel. Moreover, thousands of Chinese are travelling to work on overseas projects if they have been vaccinated.
Perhaps change "candid" (above) to BRUTAL.
This forum has rules about trolling so please acquaint yourself with them.Surprise surprise, the Chinese vaccine doesn't work. Who would have thought?? Something from China that doesn't work?
What will they think of next? A submarine that sinks in the dock? I almost forgot, they've already achieved that.
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