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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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The view of the 5 eyes intelligence network on the origins of COVID 19.

Five Eyes network contradicts theory Covid-19 leaked from lab
No current evidence to suggest coronavirus leaked from Wuhan research lab, agencies say

There is no current evidence to suggest that coronavirus leaked from a Chinese research laboratory, intelligence sources have told the Guardian, contradicting recent White House claims that there is growing proof this is how the pandemic began.

The sources also insisted that a “15-page dossier” highlighted by the Australian Daily Telegraph which accused China of a deadly cover up was not culled from intelligence from the Five Eyes network, an alliance between the UK, US, Australia, New Zealand and Canada.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...k-contradicts-theory-covid-19-leaked-from-lab

 
This analysis highlights why the Trump administration is so desperate to divert attention from it's handling of the COVID 19 crisis. Some excellent graphs

How the US stacks up to other countries in confirmed coronavirus cases
The United States has about a third of the world’s coronavirus cases.

The United States has the most confirmed Covid-19 cases in the world, with more than 13 times the number of cases reported in China and more than five times as many cases as Italy and Spain, other epicenters of the global outbreak. Confirmed infections in the US make up around a third of the world’s coronavirus cases.

...The US health system was less prepared for a pandemic than those of other wealthy nations. A high uninsured rate, high out-of-pocket health care costs, and low medical system capacity combined to make the country more vulnerable to a pathogen before the coronavirus ever came to our shores. America’s lax response in the early days of the outbreak only compounded those structural problems.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...s-us-countries-italy-iran-singapore-hong-kong
 
Fauci: No scientific evidence the coronavirus was made in a Chinese lab

In an exclusive interview, the face of America’s COVID-19 response cautions against the rush for states to reopen, and offers his tips for handling the pandemic's information deluge.

Anthony “Tony” Fauci has become the scientific face of America’s COVID-19 response, and he says the best evidence shows the virus behind the pandemic was not made in a lab in China.

Fauci, the director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, shot down the discussion that has been raging among politicians and pundits, calling it “a circular argument” in a conversation Monday with National Geographic.

“If you look at the evolution of the virus in bats and what's out there now, [the scientific evidence] is very, very strongly leaning toward this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated … Everything about the stepwise evolution over time strongly indicates that [this virus] evolved in nature and then jumped species,” Fauci says. Based on the scientific evidence, he also doesn’t entertain an alternate theory—that someone found the coronavirus in the wild, brought it to a lab, and then it accidentally escaped.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...he-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd/

But hey what would he know ? He's not President of the United States is he ?
But the rest of the interview is cool. Well worth reading IMV.

 
The Ruby Princess saga continues, looks as though a bit of an oversight on the State health dept, they wish they could have the time over and things would be done differently. Jeez we have all had them days.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...re-based-on-outdated-log-20200505-p54pyg.html
From the article:
A senior NSW Health official has broken down giving evidence at the Ruby Princess inquiry, saying if the department could have its time again it would have handled the situation differently.

When commissioner Bret Walker SC suggested there had been a "reprehensible shortcoming" by NSW Health in allowing people to disembark, senior epidemiologist for NSW Health Kelly-Anne Ressler said she was sorry for the way it had turned out.
On March 17, the ship's medical logs showed about 50 people had presented for acute respiratory symptoms, with another 54 people presenting in the following 24-hours, the inquiry heard.

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When questioned about the increase, Ms Ressler said she assumed it was due to announcements being made on the ship for people with symptoms to present to the doctor.

Ms Ressler, who is the coordinator of the department's cruise ship health program, said the increase would qualify as an outbreak, but the health department thought it to be an influenza outbreak due to the number of positive flu tests.

Counsel assisting the commission Richard Beasley SC said NSW Health deemed the ship "low risk" on March 18, the day before it docked.


The assessment was based on the log which indicated 36 of 3795 people aboard, or 0.94 per cent, had presented to the medical centre with relevant flu-like symptoms.

Under the state government's draft guidelines developed by NSW Health on February 19, if the number of flu-like cases presented was equal to or greater than 1 per cent, it would indicate an outbreak had occurred and the ship would be deemed a higher risk. If two more people had presented, the ship would have met the one per cent threshold, the inquiry heard.
 
dutchie said:
Coronavirus NSW: Dossier lays out case against China bat virus program

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/c...m/news-story/55add857058731c9c71c0e96ad17da60
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Jeez Dutchie, that is dynamite. I wonder if the story of the on selling of test animals to the market, will also be under investigation.

From the article:
It can also be revealed the Australian government trained and funded a team of Chinese scientists who belong to a laboratory which went on to genetically modify deadly coronaviruses that could be transmitted from bats to humans and had no cure, and is now the subject of a probe into the origins of COVID-19.

As intelligence agencies investigate whether the virus inadvertently leaked from a Wuhan laboratory, the team and its research led by scientist Shi Zhengli feature in the dossier prepared by Western governments that points to several studies they conducted as areas of concern.

In Wuhan, in China’s Hubei province, not far from the now infamous Wuhan wet market, Dr Shi and her team work in high-protective gear in level-three and level-four bio-containment laboratories studying deadly bat-derived coronaviruses.

At least one of the estimated 50 virus samples Dr Shi has in her laboratory is a 96 per cent genetic match to COVID-19. When Dr Shi heard the news about the outbreak of a new pneumonia-like virus, she spoke about the sleepless nights she suffered worrying whether it was her lab that was responsible for the outbreak.

As she told Scientific American magazine in an article published this week: “Could they have come from our lab?” Since her initial fears, Dr Shi has satisfied herself the genetic sequence of COVID-19 did not match any her lab was studying.

Yet, given the extent of the People’s Republic of China’s lies, obfuscations and angry refusal to allow any investigation into the origin of the outbreak, her laboratory is now being closely looked at by international intelligence agencies.

The Australian government’s position is that the virus most likely originated in the Wuhan wet market but that there is a remote possibility — a 5 per cent chance — it accidentally leaked from a laboratory.

The US’s position, according to reports this week, is that it is more likely the virus leaked from a laboratory but it could also have come from a wet market that trades and slaughters wild animals, where other diseases including the H5N1 avian flu and SARS originated.
 
Not content with conspiracy theories, we have a real life French connection.
What is important to note is that this person in France appears to have been unwell in mid-December.
It's also interesting to note that the USA can track back more instances of infection to Europe than China.
The UK's"patient zero" may be this person who contracted the virus in Austria while at a ski resort in mid-January.

What it puts to bed is the idea that China was going out of its way to hide something. Until last month the French never even considered they could have had a patient in one of their hospital's ICU wards who was carrying a novel coronavirus!
The question now is what will other nations find if they carry out similar retrospective studies.
 

All we want is the truth robbie not propaganda. Not from the Chinese or the Americans.
 
SirRumpole said:
All we want is the truth robbie not propaganda. Not from the Chinese or the Americans.
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Exactly, the truth and all the truth, about that L4 lab in Wuhan as much as climate change, DV, immigration or any serious subject.
We don't want slaughtered endangered species on the market stalls be they in China or Kinshasa, and we want more sustainable energy production, i can go for that agenda.But there are no good lies for a good cause.
 
SirRumpole said:
All we want is the truth robbie not propaganda. Not from the Chinese or the Americans.
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It's a coronavirus that has a genetic bat origin.
Beyond that you will get what the science determines.
So exactly what "truth" is it you want?
 
rederob said:
It's a coronavirus that has a genetic bat origin.
Beyond that you will get what the science determines.
So exactly what "truth" is it you want?
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You have qualifications in this area, or are you just quoting propaganda that suits your world view ?

I want a panel of scientists in this area from all member nations of the WHO to decide how the virus arose , how it spread so fast, why it's so deadly and how we stop something similar happening again.

I'm not interested in blaming China or anyone else.
 
There are hundreds of existing science papers on the topic of coronaviruses.
With regard to any new zoonotic virus's effects on humans, that's very much an after the event matter, but is again the subject of hundreds of recent science papers.
Again, I am unsure of what you want to know.
 


Wuhan workers were in northern Italy weren't they
 
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