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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Evangelical Pastor Who Mocked Social Distance Rules Dies of Covid19
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Mish

8 hours ago

The New Deliverance Evangelistic Church pastor died from Covid19 after refusing to adhere to social distancing rules.
Please note a Virginia Pastor Who Defiantly Held Church Service Dies of Coronavirus.

In his last known in-person service on March 22, Bishop Gerald O. Glenn got his congregation at Richmond’s New Deliverance Evangelistic Church to stand to prove how many were there despite warnings against gatherings of more than 10 people.

“I firmly believe that God is larger than this dreaded virus. You can quote me on that,” he said, repeating it a second time to claps, saying that “people are healed” in his church.

“I am essential,” he said of remaining open, adding, “I’m a preacher — I talk to God!”

Darwin Award Candidate?

In the spirit of Charles Darwin, the Darwin Awards commemorate individuals who protect our gene pool by making the ultimate sacrifice of their own lives. Darwin Award winners eliminate themselves in an extraordinarily idiotic manner, thereby improving our species' chances of long-term survival.

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/econ...-rules-dies-of-covid19-8popHtKZWU6HdBgOlrU4pg
 
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/coro...s/news-story/d0805fe5ab1b1552763b85ab2c3a1c10

Australia’s firm stance against wildlife markets could put the country on a collision course with the global health authority.

“We need to protect the world against potential sources of outbreaks of these types of viruses,” Mr Morrison said.

“It has happened too many times.”
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If the WHO is fine with re-opening these markets in China then either the WHO are in league with the the CCP or they've concluded that the virus didn't really come from a wild animal at a market.

Either way, this isn't leading down a good path. :(
 
basilio said:
Why not just call it Fake News from an Enemy of the People ?

That's what the Master Debater says every-single-time there is any criticism of his stunning, heroic 10/10 achievements in protecting the US from this gigantic hoax of a Chinese Communist/Democratic/WHO plot to undermine the eternal temporal authority of the Son of God. :D:D:D:D
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Since when did using statistics to measure like vs like become the norm?

It beggars belief...
 
rederob said:
Where is this letter?
I have read what it is supposed to ask, but it makes no sense given what was already known.
I have no doubt that governments lie. Ask the journalists in Australia investigating ADF coverups.
More often they just don't release what they don't think will make them look good.
Here, however, the idea that China has been tardy in responding to the novel coronavirus does not fit the actions they have taken. The idea that the WHO is complicit is plain dumb.
I will happily go through point by point issues, but not a raft of them at once.
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This letter?

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Here's Ai Fen report that China kept censoring:



The doctors called into question human transmission in that December 30 chat.


This isn't just government telling lies. They happily make them disappear, while censoring any proof. CCP is not just another government. People need to open their eyes.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2?amp
 
moXJO said:
Now redo it based on % of population.
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Done.
moXJO said:
This letter?

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Here's Ai Fen report that China kept censoring:



The doctors called into question human transmission in that December 30 chat.


This isn't just government telling lies. They happily make them disappear, while censoring any proof. CCP is not just another government. People need to open their eyes.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2?amp
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Thanks for posting.
Can you advise what was being hidden as the letter repeats what was made public.
 
rederob said:
Done.

Thanks for posting.
Can you advise what was being hidden as the letter repeats what was made public.
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You questioned the existence of the letter and if it had been sent December 31.

WHO and Taiwan are now arguing over the wording.

Truth is Taiwan got wind of the Ai Fens report.
 
moXJO said:
You questioned the existence of the letter and if it had been sent December 31.

WHO and Taiwan are now arguing over the wording.

Truth is Taiwan got wind of the Ai Fens report.
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I said it did not make sense in terms of what was reported as being asked.
I repeat that what has been reported is inconsistent with what the letter asks: it uses information I have previously linked so there are no surprises that I can see.
Again, what is it that is of concern to Taiwan that would not have been provided to all other nations as well?
 
moXJO said:
Shows US is roughly 14th from memory.
I posted that in another thread.
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There is no consistency to any of the metrics to derive anything meaningful at this stage, except perhaps for China which is showing containment. Even if their figures are a bit dodgy, there is nothing indicating other nation's are more accurate (except for what our CMO says wrt Australia).
The USA is well off peaking in its death rate, so if you are using 14th for that aspect of data, then it is premature.
 
rederob said:
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There is no consistency to any of the metrics to derive anything meaningful at this stage, except perhaps for China which is showing containment. Even if their figures are a bit dodgy, there is nothing indicating other nation's are more accurate (except for what our CMO says wrt Australia).
The USA is well off peaking in its death rate, so if you are using 14th for that aspect of data, then it is premature.
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Are you giving credibility to "US is first" by the previously metric ?

US is 14th to total population on that list regardless. And that's not taking into mind all the other stats, because that's not what was offered.
 
rederob said:
I said it did not make sense in terms of what was reported as being asked.
I repeat that what has been reported is inconsistent with what the letter asks: it uses information I have previously linked so there are no surprises that I can see.
Again, what is it that is of concern to Taiwan that would not have been provided to all other nations as well?
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The fact doctors had already highlighted human to human transmission.

Innocent nations with nothing to hide don't lock up doctors who tell the truth.
 
rederob said:
I have no idea what you are getting at.
The US response to this virus has been dreadful by most international standards.
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As has Sweden, France, Belgium all who are marginally higher then the US.

The only difference is the opportunity to bag Trump. Political plays are fine. But don't dress it up with dodgy stats.
 
moXJO said:
As has Sweden, France, Belgium all who are marginally higher then the US.

The only difference is the opportunity to bag Trump. Political plays are fine. But don't dress it up with dodgy stats.
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interesting also that the three countries mentioned have had vastly different responses, for not much different results.
 
moXJO said:
As has Sweden, France, Belgium all who are marginally higher then the US.

The only difference is the opportunity to bag Trump. Political plays are fine. But don't dress it up with dodgy stats.
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Higher than what?
How can you tell anything about respective rates unless you compare like with like?
You are not doing this.
What we know for sure is that Trump has sat on his hands and called this virus a "hoax."
As a result they are No. 1 in the worst aspects of the published data, ie total dead and total infected. Sadly, those data will increase the USA's lead.
 
rederob said:
Higher than what?
How can you tell anything about respective rates unless you compare like with like?
You are not doing this.
What we know for sure is that Trump has sat on his hands and called this virus a "hoax."
As a result they are No. 1 in the worst aspects of the published data, ie total dead and total infected. Sadly, those data will increase the USA's lead.
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You have looked at the stats?
Looking at deaths per million is a better metric then total deaths.

Did you actually look at the measures that the US put in place or did you watch a cnn video. Because the US did not sit on its hands, that's what Sweden actually did.
 
moXJO said:
You have looked at the stats?
Looking at deaths per million is a better metric then total deaths.

Did you actually look at the measures that the US put in place or did you watch a cnn video. Because the US did not sit on its hands, that's what Sweden actually did.
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Why have we moved off Taiwan and China?
Everyone has seen Trump lie his way through media engagements and the only thing he has done is cause excessive misery to the nation. He is lucky the country has a strong manufacturing base, but I listened to a US doctor being interviewed a few nights ago and he still did not have adequate PPE (not this doctor - another one).
By way of data analysis the consensus is that each day delay in a hard lockdown adds a week to the recovery timeframe. Unfortunately not all States of the USA have been acting to lockdown as hard as necessary to achieve good outcomes and, as viruses do not respect borders, the pandemic in the USA will be difficult to overcome in a timely manner.
 
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