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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Excellent overview of what has happened with the COVID 19 virus to date.
In particular note the fact that China has controlled this virus with its stringent isolation practices.

Also check out the analysis of financial support given in GC and the realisation we will need to do much, much more to protect citizens and industry from going under.

Health and wealth — where we've gone wrong on coronavirus
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03...where-weve-gone-wrong-on-coronavirus/12058254
 
With many events being cancelled in Melbourne.

The Grand Prix, Robbie Williams to name a few.

Many are cancelling or postponing.

We have postponed our trip.
 
Early in the thread, it was mentioned that Governments will take the opportunity to trail ideas, that wouldn't be possible during normal times.
https://www.theage.com.au/world/mid...op-spread-of-coronavirus-20200316-p54afn.html
From the article:
In his address, Netanyahu acknowledged the technology had never been used on civilians. But he said the unprecedented health threat posed by the virus justified its use.

"They are not minor measures. They entail a certain degree of violation of the privacy of those same people, who we will check to see whom they came into contact with while sick and what preceded that. This is an effective tool for locating the virus," Netanyahu said.
 
Please watch his channel guys. He explains everything about COVID19 in his videos and what we should do. No nonsense fellow from UK. He is a retired ED nurse educator with PhD. Daily updates and he has info coming in from doctors all over the world

 
This is a thorough, excellent analysis of the process of developing, testing and producing a safe effective vaccine for the Covid 19 virus. It isn't simple. It can and has gone badly wrong in the past. If it isn't done carefully a bad vaccine could cause immeasurably more harm.

When will a coronavirus vaccine be ready?
Human trials will begin in April – but even if they go well, there are many barriers before global immunisation is feasible

Even at their most effective – and draconian – containment strategies have only slowed the spread of the respiratory disease Covid-19. With the World Health Organization finally declaring a pandemic, all eyes have turned to the prospect of a vaccine, because only a vaccine can prevent people from getting sick.

About 35 companies and academic institutions are racing to create such a vaccine, at least four of which already have candidates they have been testing in animals. The first of these – produced by Boston-based biotech firm Moderna – will enter human trials in April.

This unprecedented speed is thanks in large part to early Chinese efforts to sequence the genetic material of Sars-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19. China shared that sequence in early January, allowing research groups around the world to grow the live virus and study how it invades human cells and makes people sick.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ine-be-ready-human-trials-global-immunisation
 
IFocus said:
Note Moderna have never got a vaccine to market

"The question is complicated by the newness of the science at play. The technology that has allowed Moderna to craft an experimental vaccine so fast has not yielded a single immunization that’s made it to market so far"

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/11...s-vaccine-trial-without-usual-animal-testing/
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Yea, the only real hope is the Uni of Queensland. CSL have got involved with them to help.
https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2020/01/race-develop-coronavirus-vaccine
 
Knobby22 said:
Yea, the only real hope is the Uni of Queensland. CSL have got involved with them to help.
https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2020/01/race-develop-coronavirus-vaccine
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Maybe you can use this as a checklist, I do not know the writer but the sender is a sensible person. It does agree with previous statements that cold weather suits it, maybe we should all move to Darwin for a few months

<<Very important info on Corona Virus. (not a joke)

An Italian doctor who worked at Shenzhen Hospital in China was appointed by the Chinese government to participate in the hive study group of Wuhan or Corona-Virus pneumonia. He wrote a very interesting article, which is summarised below:

- If a person has a runny nose and has phlegm, he is not infected with the Corona virus, because pneumonia gives a dry cough without a runny nose. This is the easiest way to locate it.
On the other hand it is good to know that the Wuhan virus or corona virus is not heat resistant and dies at a temperature of 26 to 27 degrees. Therefore, drink plenty of hot water such as tea and herbs. It's not a cure, but it's good for the body. Drinking hot water is effective for killing all viruses. Try not to drink cold or frozen fluids. Expose yourself to the sun if it's winter.

- The virus is quite large (the cell has a diameter of about 400-500 nm), so any normal mask (not only the mask 3M & N95) can filter it. However, when an infected person sneezes in front of you, it will spread about 3 meters before falling to the ground. That is, it hovers in the air.

- When the virus falls on a metal surface, it will live for at least 12 hours. So remember that if you come into contact with any metal surface, wash your hands thoroughly with soap.

- The virus can remain active in tissues for 6-12 hours. Regular laundry detergent kills the virus. Winter clothes that do not need daily washing should be placed in the sun to kill the virus.

Information about symptoms of pneumonia caused by corona virus:

- First it will infect the throat, then you will feel a dry sore throat that will last 3 to 4 days.

- Then the virus will merge with the nasal fluid, enter the trachea and enter the lungs causing Wuhan's pneumonia. This process will take 5 to 6 days.

- A condition of pneumonia, high fever and breathing difficulties will follow. Nasal congestion is not like normal nasal congestion. You'll feel like you're drowning in the water. It is important to seek medical attention immediately if you have this feeling.

On prevention:
- The most common way to get infected is not to touch things in a public place such as railings, door handles, handles on the bus, etc., so you should often wash your hands. The virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but many things can happen in these 5-10 minutes, such as rubbing your eyes, touching your mouth or face, etc.

- It is recommended to gargling with Betadine gargle to eliminate or minimize germs while still in the throat (before moving on to the lungs).
Maybe the new corona virus shows no signs of infection for many days, so how do you know if someone gets infected? The latest information is that the incubation period may be up to 28 days before the symptoms of the crown appear.
By the time a person has a fever/cough and goes to the hospital, the lungs can be 50% in fibrosis and maybe it is too late.
Taiwan's experts give us a simple self-control that we can do every morning:

Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you do it without coughing, without suffocation or a bad sensation, etc., it is proof that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, a basic indication that there is no infection.
At critical moments, please look at a fresh air environment every morning.

We must all ensure that our mouth and throat are wet, NEVER dry. Drink minimal water every 15 minutes. WHY??? Because even if the virus enters your mouth ... drinking water or other liquids will transport it through the esophagus to the stomach.
There, stomach acids will kill the virus. If you do not drink enough water regularly the virus can enter the trachea and enter the lungs. And that's going to be very dangerous.

PLEASE SHARE THIS WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS!!>>
 
macca said:
Maybe you can use this as a checklist, I do not know the writer but the sender is a sensible person. It does agree with previous statements that cold weather suits it, maybe we should all move to Darwin for a few months

<<Very important info on Corona Virus. (not a joke)

An Italian doctor who worked at Shenzhen Hospital in China was appointed by the Chinese government to participate in the hive study group of Wuhan or Corona-Virus pneumonia. He wrote a very interesting article, which is summarised below:

- If a person has a runny nose and has phlegm, he is not infected with the Corona virus, because pneumonia gives a dry cough without a runny nose. This is the easiest way to locate it.
On the other hand it is good to know that the Wuhan virus or corona virus is not heat resistant and dies at a temperature of 26 to 27 degrees. Therefore, drink plenty of hot water such as tea and herbs. It's not a cure, but it's good for the body. Drinking hot water is effective for killing all viruses. Try not to drink cold or frozen fluids. Expose yourself to the sun if it's winter.

- The virus is quite large (the cell has a diameter of about 400-500 nm), so any normal mask (not only the mask 3M & N95) can filter it. However, when an infected person sneezes in front of you, it will spread about 3 meters before falling to the ground. That is, it hovers in the air.

- When the virus falls on a metal surface, it will live for at least 12 hours. So remember that if you come into contact with any metal surface, wash your hands thoroughly with soap.

- The virus can remain active in tissues for 6-12 hours. Regular laundry detergent kills the virus. Winter clothes that do not need daily washing should be placed in the sun to kill the virus.

Information about symptoms of pneumonia caused by corona virus:

- First it will infect the throat, then you will feel a dry sore throat that will last 3 to 4 days.

- Then the virus will merge with the nasal fluid, enter the trachea and enter the lungs causing Wuhan's pneumonia. This process will take 5 to 6 days.

- A condition of pneumonia, high fever and breathing difficulties will follow. Nasal congestion is not like normal nasal congestion. You'll feel like you're drowning in the water. It is important to seek medical attention immediately if you have this feeling.

On prevention:
- The most common way to get infected is not to touch things in a public place such as railings, door handles, handles on the bus, etc., so you should often wash your hands. The virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but many things can happen in these 5-10 minutes, such as rubbing your eyes, touching your mouth or face, etc.

- It is recommended to gargling with Betadine gargle to eliminate or minimize germs while still in the throat (before moving on to the lungs).
Maybe the new corona virus shows no signs of infection for many days, so how do you know if someone gets infected? The latest information is that the incubation period may be up to 28 days before the symptoms of the crown appear.
By the time a person has a fever/cough and goes to the hospital, the lungs can be 50% in fibrosis and maybe it is too late.
Taiwan's experts give us a simple self-control that we can do every morning:

Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you do it without coughing, without suffocation or a bad sensation, etc., it is proof that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, a basic indication that there is no infection.
At critical moments, please look at a fresh air environment every morning.

We must all ensure that our mouth and throat are wet, NEVER dry. Drink minimal water every 15 minutes. WHY??? Because even if the virus enters your mouth ... drinking water or other liquids will transport it through the esophagus to the stomach.
There, stomach acids will kill the virus. If you do not drink enough water regularly the virus can enter the trachea and enter the lungs. And that's going to be very dangerous.

PLEASE SHARE THIS WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS!!>>
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That is a really interesting list Macca and I agree it "sounds plausible"

Trouble is - they aren't legit. Just another piece of misinformation perhaps sent with good intent.
Please check this out

A viral list of dubious coronavirus tips claims to be from Stanford — it isn’t
The tips are full of misinformation
https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/12/21177262/coronavirus-tip-fake-list-stanford-hoax-covid-19
 
Victoria beefing up police response to ignoring isolation directives.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/...ce-get-new-arrest-powers-20200316-p54ao2.html
From the article:
Ms Neville said the powers allowed Victoria Police to "detain or arrest people who are non-compliant". Those who suspect people in the community of breaching self-isolation orders can call the Police Assistance Line on 131 444.

"My message is we don't want Victoria Police in a position where they’re out there knocking on doors ... arresting people," Ms Neville said. "If we need to, though, the powers exist."
 
Smurf1976 said:
The unis in general haven't done themselves any favours in all this.

Some exceptions of course but it's not a good look when a university isn't seen as a leader on an issue like this. :2twocents
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They are only interested in O/S students fees aka racket.
My son is at UQ and has tried to minimise presence there but indeed, overall information and decision was lacking:
Most of the relevant info coming from students self manage FB pages with a good week delay before official action.
Now uni closed for a week presumely to allow online only restart next week..
I just read an article where a Brisbane researcher was saying he had a cure: hiv drug and malaria drug
And was asking for money for test funding
Nearly look like a scam, both medecines already used in China.
We do not need to test existing drugs , known overseas as effective just to give an official aussie stamp of approval.we use them and get the stats from results now.
There is an inability to act in urgency when needed I'm afraid in the west.
Not running like headless chooks, but running
 
basilio said:
That is a really interesting list Macca and I agree it "sounds plausible"

Trouble is - they aren't legit. Just another piece of misinformation perhaps sent with good intent.
Please check this out

A viral list of dubious coronavirus tips claims to be from Stanford — it isn’t
The tips are full of misinformation
https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/12/21177262/coronavirus-tip-fake-list-stanford-hoax-covid-19
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A U.S company commences human testing of vaccine.
https://www.theage.com.au/world/nor...ate-starts-human-testing-20200317-p54as4.html:
From the article:
Washington: A potential COVID-19 vaccine moved into human testing, a record pace for a virus scientists didn't know existed a few months ago.

The first participant received the test vaccine on Monday. The trial began in the Seattle area, which became the epicentre of the US outbreak, with 42 of the 69 deaths in the nation.

Scientists at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases developed the experimental vaccine in collaboration with biotechnology company Moderna Inc.
This first trial is just an initial step, and an actual vaccine is still a year to 18 months away, Fauci has been careful to clarify.

Phase I trials mark the first time an experimental vaccine gets introduced into the human body, and they are small studies to assess whether the vaccine is safe and whether it evokes an immune response.


It's the larger phase II and phase III trials that generate enough data to show whether a vaccine works and is safe enough to warrant approval by the Food and Drug Administration.
 
Big wrap to IGA, Coles and Woolies for instituting the pensioners/seniors only shopping hour.

I do think they were all a bit slow off the mark with purchase limits, which should have been placed on toilet paper purchases especially, weeks ago
 
Overview of the spread of the virus worldwide since January.
The way it is going Europe will overtake China within a week.:cautious:

Coronavirus map: how Covid-19 is spreading across the world
Confirmed cases of Covid-19 have spanned the globe, and now exceed 170,000. Travel bans and closed borders have been put in place in an attempt to curtail the spread
https://www.theguardian.com/world/n...ap-how-covid-19-is-spreading-across-the-world
 
Swine Flu vaccine was available in October after the outbreak started in April and saved the US and Europe from the 2nd wave peaking again in flu season.

Not sure how they got it done so quick if this will take 12-18 months?
 
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