Knobby22
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I suppose that is the real issue, Moderna says they will have a vaccine for omicron by the middle of the year, so we have lockdowns and wait.I wonder what happens next another variant turns up then push replay?
Watching Stan's 'Station 11' with my son and the virus kills everyone first day. Great show, highly recommend. (Was written before the pandemic and he had to study it for English final year).I suppose that is the real issue, Moderna says they will have a vaccine for omicron by the middle of the year, so we have lockdowns and wait.
Then by the time 90% are vaccinated another variant arrives, so we have lockdowns for another year and so it goes on until the economy collapses, then we let it rip even if it is the worst variant because we will have run out of options.
Interesting times.
Which really highlights sooner or later the let it rip option has to be adopted.The vaccine still works just not as effective and a booster is worth having.
SA figures show that 80% in hospital are unvaccinated from a 90% vaccinated population so the maths is pretty simple.
Even previously catching the virus doesn't stop you catching Omicron (though you will be in effect vaccinated).
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Watching Stan's 'Station 11' with my son and the virus kills everyone first day. Great show, highly recommend. (Was written before the pandemic and he had to study it for English final year).
The vaccine still works just not as effective and a booster is worth having.
SA figures show that 80% in hospital are unvaccinated from a 90% vaccinated population so the maths is pretty simple.
Even previously catching the virus doesn't stop you catching Omicron (though you will be in effect vaccinated).
But there's heaps of constants.I agree. As an engineer I can tell you in real life nothing is absolute.
I read something very similar to this article in New Scientist about 4 months ago. It may be the future one day.
Or is it a case of her symptoms are so mild, as to not be noticed?The positive testing girl had zero symptoms has no idea how long she was infectious, and was very surprised at the positive result.
The question is, was her positive result a false positive, a case of mixed up identity, are there now citizens walking around with natural immunity, or is there some other explanation?
Mick
1 in 450 Americans officially died of the former strain and it was actually higher in reality. Sure thats less than 1%. Being over 60 is an underlying condition as many died of strokes etc. I personally know a lady with 4 kids who survived but her lungs are so badly damaged she can no longer walk more than a few steps. Not just death.Or is it a case of her symptoms are so mild, as to not be noticed?
Like I said a couple of days ago Rafa had full blown covid a couple of weeks ago, yesterday he won the Adelaide tennis tournament, even the more serious earlier strains of covid only had a mortality rate a a few percent and they were mainly old or had some underlying health issue.
The problem now IMO, the general public is so freaked out at the mention of covid, they just about want to sign up for voluntary euthanasia, if they test positive.
Which really highlights sooner or later the let it rip option has to be adopted.
Waiting for the next strain and the next vaccine, is just delaying the inevitable.
IMO it is better to let a mild strain go through quickly and develop some herd immunity, than to allow it to fester and mutate into something really sinister which will happen eventually.
Its certainly a hard call but anything can still come out of Africa, getting some form of natural immunity through the population is imperative, it probably just buys the drug companies more time to get ahead of the curve.Its the devils choice let it rip over run the hospitals, then the next variant turns up glad I am not in the drivers seat
“Our data shows an increase in death rates in our business across the U.S., which aligns with what we’re seeing in national industry data. It is also in alignment with national publicly available data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Based upon our analysis of this national data, there has been a 40% increase in death rates for 18- to 64-year-old individuals across the U.S., when comparing Q3 2021 data to pre-pandemic data from the same period in 2019.
During the third quarter of 2021, the CDC reported approximately 50,600 deaths in the 18-64 age group were due to COVID, while they reported 252,000 deaths overall during that same period for the 18-64 age group. The CDC defines only those individuals where COVID is listed on the death certificate as a cause/contributing factor in death in that total, but does not include other deaths which may be linked to co-morbidities or other COVID-19 influenced factors (delay in seeking medical care, inability to access medical care, etc.).
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The graph [at top of story], which represents publicly reported death rates from the CDC for 18-64 age groups from 2019-21, demonstrates trends and the significant impacts of COVID-19. Based on the U.S. population, there are an estimated 200 million people between the ages of 18 and 64. CDC statistics (in green) show the baseline pre-pandemic death rates in the center of the graph, listed at 100%. The blue line, representing 2020 trends, begins to show COVID impact in Q2 of 2020. The black line represents 2021 deaths in this age group and peaks in Q3 (with the most recently available data through the end of Q3). Using actual CDC reported death totals, 2019 (pre-pandemic) recorded 172,000 deaths during that three-month period. CDC data from Q3 2021 shows 250,000 actual deaths (or a 45% increase over the baseline expectation) for this age group, typically the working age population. Of that total, 50,600 were attributed by the CDC to COVID.
Yes W.A has successfully kept the virus out, but with that it has created its own problems, a lot of people have been reluctant to get vaccinated due to the perception it isn't required.Is WA borders still shut?
God, I didn't even notice.
MaoGowan also channelling Gunner/Macron, and other petty despots in the last few days.Yes W.A has successfully kept the virus out, but with that it has created its own problems, a lot of people have been reluctant to get vaccinated due to the perception it isn't required.
https://www.watoday.com.au/national...t-over-90-percent-target-20211110-p597uh.html
So now if the borders are opened it will be a very unpopular move, I mean very, very unpopular as most West Australians would prefer to just keep the borders closed.
So it looks like we are getting ready, after 2 years of bliss.
Mark McGowan slams Commonwealth over COVID supplies, as vaccinations open for children
Premier Mark McGowan says WA has been snubbed by the Commonwealth with supplies of rapid antigen tests and vaccines as young children become eligible for the jab.www.abc.net.au
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