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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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DB008 said:
My local Coles and Woolies in Brisbane.

Been like this for a about a week now, slowly getting worse. Less stock.




If it keeps going this way, panic buying will set in again

I purchased some toilet paper today, just in case the toilet paper wars start up again...



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It happened in nsw for about a week then was fine again. I've heard businesses doing it on purpose to create panic buying.
 
barney said:
This is an older video from Dr. David Martin but his message remains the same.

Pretty hard to discount his "proof by patents" documentation when it is all listed in Government documents.

Hopefully one day, all the perpetrators who have damaged so many lives will be forced to face the music.

Full Video is a must watch for anyone who has not seen any of his info:

David Martin Mid year 2021

Tiny excerpt from the end of the video below.

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OMG, what unadulterated crap!
This guy peddles nonsense that so many fall for and has had his claims continuously debunked.
 
The Triangle said:
.Isn't that evidence of panic buying already?
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Lack of truckies apparently. Plenty of stock but only half the man power to deliver it.

Truckies

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The Triangle said:
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Isn't that evidence of panic buying already?

Wonder if McGowan is looking at these pictures...Perth being literally the most isolated city in the world will look very interesting when he opens up next month.
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You mean IF he opens the borders next month.
I certainly wouldnt be putting money on it, unless the numbers over East peak and start rapidly dropping.
 
Knobby22 said:
At Footscray market today. No sign of food shortages. Also local strip has plenty of meat and veg. It seems all the dumb cnuts only shop at Supermarkets.
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Yeah this is where it looks suss. Local fruit and veg markets are all fine. Woolies stripped bare.
 
Knobby22 said:
It seems all the dumb cnuts only shop at Supermarkets.
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I must be a cnut for not going to my local markets, even though l just moved house and don't even know if there is a local market.

Anyways, everyone is getting Covid-19 one way or another and with Omicron spreading so fast, whats the difference if you catch from a vaccinated person or an unvaccinated person? Your still going to catch it.

I'm now fully in the 'let it 100% rip brigade'. Better off getting this over and done with in the next few weeks, than doing it slowly and people missing out on medical appointments which might be a bigger issues (see poster Belli as an example).

And 100% let it rip means, let it rip.
 
Common sense starting to creep in?


Unvaccinated doctor challenges UK Health Secretary Sajid Javid over compulsory jabs for NHS staff and tells him he doesn't want a vaccine because he "has had COVID, and feels protected by antibodies" after working in ICU for years.






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DB008 said:
I must be a cnut for not going to my local markets, even though l just moved house and don't even know if there is a local market.

Anyways, everyone is getting Covid-19 one way or another and with Omicron spreading so fast, whats the difference if you catch from a vaccinated person or an unvaccinated person? Your still going to catch it.

I'm now fully in the 'let it 100% rip brigade'. Better off getting this over and done with in the next few weeks, than doing it slowly and people missing out on medical appointments which might be a bigger issues (see poster Belli as an example).

And 100% let it rip means, let it rip.
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Might be a bit late for choosing....
 
DB008 said:
I must be a cnut for not going to my local markets, even though l just moved house and don't even know if there is a local market.

Anyways, everyone is getting Covid-19 one way or another and with Omicron spreading so fast, whats the difference if you catch from a vaccinated person or an unvaccinated person? Your still going to catch it.

I'm now fully in the 'let it 100% rip brigade'. Better off getting this over and done with in the next few weeks, than doing it slowly and people missing out on medical appointments which might be a bigger issues (see poster Belli as an example).

And 100% let it rip means, let it rip.
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I wonder what happens next another variant turns up then push replay?

Hope everyone stays well what ever happens
 
DB008 said:
I must be a cnut for not going to my local markets, even though l just moved house and don't even know if there is a local market.

Anyways, everyone is getting Covid-19 one way or another and with Omicron spreading so fast, whats the difference if you catch from a vaccinated person or an unvaccinated person? Your still going to catch it.

I'm now fully in the 'let it 100% rip brigade'. Better off getting this over and done with in the next few weeks, than doing it slowly and people missing out on medical appointments which might be a bigger issues (see poster Belli as an example).

And 100% let it rip means, let it rip.
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The AMA say that is what is happening and aren't to happy about it.

Australian Medical Association president Omar Khorshid said Australians were paying for state and federal governments’ decisions not to heed warnings from doctors and public health experts before Christmas that even if Omicron proved to be mild, the sheer number of cases could overwhelm hospitals.
“The strategy has been to let it rip. That’s very clear,” he said.

Dr Khorshid said governments “led by NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet but cheered on by the Prime Minister” had decided not to listen to the health advice that had held Australia in such good stead through the pandemic, by pushing ahead with opening up plans on the basis Omicron was mild.

www.theage.com.au

Surf lifesavers and students fill paramedic shifts, as Omicron spreads

Frustrated medical leaders say Australia’s politicians have turned their back on sound public health advice and “let it rip”.
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Better get natural immunity from Omicron before Deltacron heads over here...



Cyprus reportedly discovers a Covid variant that combines omicron and delta​


  • A researcher in Cyprus has discovered a strain of the coronavirus that combines the delta and omicron variant, Bloomberg News reported Saturday.
  • Leondios Kostrikis, professor of biological sciences at the University of Cyprus, called the strain “deltacron.”
  • It’s still too early to tell whether there are more cases of the strain or what impacts it could have.


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I know there are some people on here who will immediately cry BS if anything from the evil Murdoch empire is quoted, but an interesting article from The Australian
IT was the very start of the pandemic and Mayana Zatz’s neighbour was sick. He was in his 60s and he had a high fever – but he was not the sole concern. He lived with his wife.
Zatz thought that inevitably she too would be infected. Days passed, then a fortnight. The husband got better, his wife seemed fine. Was she asymptomatic? Zatz, a geneticist at Sao Paulo University, looked at her blood. There were no antibodies. The pair had lived together. He had been infected. Yet she had not got it.
This gave Zatz an idea: were there other “discordant couples"? Could they tell us something? Could they even help us to defeat this disease?
She put out a call and more than 2,000 responded. Of the 100 they chose, in which one partner had been infected and the other had not, the same is largely still true.
More than a year and two waves on, in the vast majority of cases, in one of the worst-hit countries in the world, the uninfected partner has remained Covid-free. Was there something in their genes that made them naturally immune? And can we use this to our advantage? Across the Atlantic, Mala Maini, from University College London (UCL), was also thinking about prior immunity.

But she was not looking at genes. As the UK pandemic began, she had been following healthcare workers – tracking the spread of disease in a group highly at risk. As the first wave came to an end many, as expected, were infected but many were not.
For 10 to 15 per cent there was a grey area. Look at their antibodies and they were in the clear. They hadn’t been infected. Look at the response of interferon – made by the body in response to infection – and they had. Look at their T-cells, yet another wing of the immune system, and here too there was a jump in those that responded to coronavirus.

It was Schrodinger’s infection. Half the immune system was saying they had been infected. Half was saying they had not. What had happened?
When Zatz looked at her couples, she found a suite of genes that went some way to explaining the outcome. Some genes related to immune cells are called “natural killer cells” – part of the “innate immune system”.
Maini suggested that it was an “aborted infection”. The coronavirus had infected a cell – but had then been fought off so rapidly that it never registered. She concedes that in proposing this she is going into what, pre-pandemic, would have been considered speculation.

“It’s not a very well accepted phenomenon,” she said. “There’s been little bits of evidence but it’s been quite difficult to document.” Now though?

There have always been anecdotes during pandemics of unusual survivors. The prostitutes in east Africa who never got Aids. The Black Death gravedigger whose own grave was not dug. Coronavirus has given an opportunity to study these people – even to exploit them. Because if people can be immune before the virus arrives then that is information we can use – to help us all.

Looking at the blood of her sample, Maini found another candidate as well: the common cold. In the summer of 2020, Alex Sette, a biologist at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology, California, published a study. He and his colleagues had found a library of blood samples and some of them contained T-cells that attacked the coronavirus. T-cells are another unit in the immunity army, attacking once the infection has begun. An antibody will prevent an infection entering cells. T-cells will help defeat it even if it is in cells.

In doing so, they lessen disease – they provide the vaccine protection against hospitalisation. The most crucial bit of information about Sette’s blood samples is that they had been frozen for years. These people had never seen the novel coronavirus.

Their immunity most likely came from previous coronaviruses. “What this means is that you have a head start,” Sette said. The response to his findings was astonishing. In the summer of 2020 cross-reactive T-cells became a key in the argument that the pandemic was over. The argument ran, some of us had been infected with the novel coronavirus, some less novel ones – therefore all were protected. The fact that Sette and his colleagues disagreed was neither here nor there. Amid record US cases now, Sette said: “I don’t think the argument that the pandemic was over in summer 2020 would have much traction.”
But this does not mean that T-cells are not important. Studies since have shown those who have them have a better vaccine response. They may fight off disease better. Then there is Maini’s work suggesting they can stop infection: these were the T-cells she saw boosted in the apparently uninfected healthcare workers.

The most important conclusion, perhaps, is that we can ourselves exploit them. “If you induce these T-cells in a vaccine, then we could get broad cross-immunity,” Ajit Lalvani, from Imperial College, said. “We now have billions of people, all with antibodies against the spike protein. Under this intense immune pressure, the virus is going to evolve.” This is what Omicron did. T-cells could provide broad protection against current – and future – variants because the internal proteins are conserved across different variants. And T-cells tend to last longer than antibodies. This is what excites Lalvani. The work from UCL found the “smoking gun” of cross-reactive T-cell immunity, he said.

He and his colleagues have gone to infected households to measure the T-cells in people before they could have been developed in response to infection. Then, they have looked to see who did not get infected. Like everyone who speaks to The Times, Lalvani is wary of the implications.

The debate in the summer of 2020 has scarred the field. “People were taking this hypothesis as fact,” he said. “And then they were saying you can make policy decisions based on that. It was very dangerous.” He asks The Times to state that he very much supports vaccines.

The truth is, for most people cross-reactive coronaviruses did not provide super-immunity. At best, they were themselves like a dose of vaccine.

In Brazil, Zatz and her colleagues are still teasing out the roles of those genes. Erick da Cruz Castelli, who works with Zatz, is trying to tease apart the link between the genes and natural killer cells. Perhaps we can use drugs to mimic it? He is also, though, trying to solve his own mystery.

Recently, his family suffered a bout, living together in a multi-generational household. “My parents are about 75 years old,” he said. “There were four individuals in a small apartment, and my mother didn’t get it. Why?”

As with everyone studying the pandemic, eventually the professional becomes the personal.
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As is so often the case, the article highlights that we really don't know much.
People talk about "the science", or "the Data", and prtetend that heir conclusions are absolute.
The reality is , that very few things in this world are absolute.
Despite the huge amount of data and research on COVID, we are little closer to understanding why not everyone gets COVID, or more precisely, why not everyone who may or may not have or have had COVID, responds to tests for the disease.
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