Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[cynic]

Your alternative is to find a source that proves the points in the viral tweets.
Maybe you should consider doing that rather than running a baseless post?

In this case you are actually disputing information that is readily available from many sources that have nothing to do with MSM. Aside from that, fact checking sites do not use MSM to confirm or otherwise what is claimed; they go to the source.
It's one thing to be a cynic, and another again to be lazy and foolish.

Who is the greater fool?

Is it the one who raises the importance of examining the actual facts before leaping to judgment?

Or is it the one who chastises the former based upon a faulty understanding of the actual issue being raised?

 

[rederob]

Who is the greater fool?

Is it the one who raises the importance of examining the actual facts before leaping to judgment?

Or is it the one who chastises the former based upon a faulty understanding of the actual issue being raised?

I spend a few hours a day reading about, watching or listening to covid related matters and knew instantly that the viral tweet was a crock.
On the other hand there is you, with a track record of obfuscation and ignorance that has become tedious.

One of the more recent catchphrases about covid is that "it is a pandemic of the unvaccinated".
State Premiers and health officials that have given daily covid updates have consistently pointed to the overrepresentation of unvaccinated in covid data. The wealth of information available to counter the tweet is difficult to miss, assuming you actually took the time to look.
You appear to be in competition with @wayneL for the most useless posts in general chat at ASF.

So here's the real point. Offer hard data. Offer source material. Offer something relevant other than your opinion.
If you do that you won't look lazy and foolish.

 

[cynic]

I spend a few hours a day reading about, watching or listening to covid related matters and knew instantly that the viral tweet was a crock.
On the other hand there is you, with a track record of obfuscation and ignorance that has become tedious.

One of the more recent catchphrases about covid is that "it is a pandemic of the unvaccinated".
State Premiers and health officials that have given daily covid updates have consistently pointed to the overrepresentation of unvaccinated in covid data. The wealth of information available to counter the tweet is difficult to miss, assuming you actually took the time to look.
You appear to be in competition with @wayneL for the most useless posts in general chat at ASF.

So here's the real point. Offer hard data. Offer source material. Offer something relevant other than your opinion.
If you do that you won't look lazy and foolish.

Yet again the actual point that I raised has been missed.


But, since you claim to be so well informed, did your "few hours a day" happen to include a full and thorough examination of the court transcript?
(Based upon your recent responses I strongly suspect that I may already know the answer to this question, but it would be nice to confirm.)

And if not, then how can you claim to know the truth of what was (or wasn't) actually said?

 

[IFocus]

Talking about disinformation

The Disinformation Dozen — Center for Countering Digital Hate | CCDH

Just twelve anti-vaxxers are responsible for almost two-thirds of anti‑vaccine content circulating on social media platforms. This new analysis of content posted or shared to social media over 812,000 times between February and March uncovers how a tiny group of determined anti-vaxxers is...

www.counterhate.com

 

[SirRumpole]

Judge dismisses challenges to NSW COVID-19 vaccination orders for workers​

Judge dismisses workers' legal challenge to mandatory COVID-19 vaccinations

The cases before the Supreme Court were initiated by unvaccinated workers from health, aged care, construction and education sectors arguing there was insufficient long-term data on COVID-19 vaccine safety and side effects.

www.abc.net.au

 

[rederob]

Yet again the actual point that I raised has been missed.

You keep turning yourself into a clown with your antics.
If instead you choose to deal with data and source material you can avoid the ignorance you show with each and every post.
Here's just one example of Kristine Macartney explaining that vaccine spread is mostly amongst unvaccinated, which is contrary to the fabricated tweet's claim:

Kristine Macartney is the Director of NCIRS and her organisation's website said this in relation to false social media:

"... online articles and posts attributed to Professor Macartney are fabricated. They do not reflect what Professor Macartney said, the official court transcript, expert opinion or fact."​

If you have evidence that Macartney said in court things that she knew to be false then she will have perjured herself, and the judgement referred to in @SirRumpole's above post would not have been made as it would have invalidated the integrity of NSW's public health orders.

Furthermore, as I now repeat, data and source material in the public domain allow any competent person to quickly determine the claims in the linked viral tweet were fabrications. The real problem here seems to be how you cannot tell what is fake and what is not given the abundance of literature available.

 

[basilio]

The beliefs of some people around COVID. Taken from Reignite Democracy


This is just crazy what’s going on now.
The deadly jab is all part of the big plan that’s been coming for 37 years. All carefully plotted for the purposes of culling humanity with precision. At first the oldies go. We see them dropping now. Oh sure they say it’s the virus but it’s THE JAB!!
I have a friend who works in the hospital and he says that EVERY death there is someone fully vaxxed! Coincidence?? NO!
And Dan Andrew’s is reportedly a shareholder in the AstraZeneca vaccine which is OBVIOUSLY why he kept pushing for people to take the AstraZeneca!!
I’ve been telling my friends and family this all along. They reckon I’m loony, but everything fits into place!
It’s all part of a big plan worked out amongst all the leaders across the western world. Dubbed ‘The century of the cull’ and written BY Bill Gates (his former PA) revealed this in an interview with Piers Morgan several years back according to my sources.
Watch your backs people. This is the beginning of the biggest upheaval in history!
Grab as much dunny paper as you can because there’s gonna be some serious shortages real soon and you don’t wanna be left short when the **** hits!

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[SirRumpole]

The beliefs of some people around COVID. Taken from Reignite Democracy


This is just crazy what’s going on now.
The deadly jab is all part of the big plan that’s been coming for 37 years. All carefully plotted for the purposes of culling humanity with precision. At first the oldies go. We see them dropping now. Oh sure they say it’s the virus but it’s THE JAB!!
I have a friend who works in the hospital and he says that EVERY death there is someone fully vaxxed! Coincidence?? NO!
And Dan Andrew’s is reportedly a shareholder in the AstraZeneca vaccine which is OBVIOUSLY why he kept pushing for people to take the AstraZeneca!!
I’ve been telling my friends and family this all along. They reckon I’m loony, but everything fits into place!
It’s all part of a big plan worked out amongst all the leaders across the western world. Dubbed ‘The century of the cull’ and written BY Bill Gates (his former PA) revealed this in an interview with Piers Morgan several years back according to my sources.
Watch your backs people. This is the beginning of the biggest upheaval in history!
Grab as much dunny paper as you can because there’s gonna be some serious shortages real soon and you don’t wanna be left short when the **** hits!

........................................
THE INJECTION COMES WITH TOTAL INVASION OF PRIVACY>>>>BLU TOOTH NANO CHIP
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Well, that will really get w..... stirring !

 

[SirRumpole]

Well, you're entitled to your opinion on which information sources you consider credible. Until I see the actual court transcript, so that I can determine for myself, who's telling it true, and who's serving the porkies, I'll be reserving my judgment.

For what it's worth, over the decades, I have been witness to numerous instances of MSM disinforming the public, in a manner, that seemed to be designed to protect favoured narratives from the presence of inconvenient facts.

As such, I most certainly do not share your confidence in the integrity of the MSM.

I am just as cynical as you about the intentions of the MSM.

You only have to read a Murdoch rag to know manipulation at it's grossest.

However when a person is misquoted and then goes public to refute that misrepresentation why shouldn't we believe her/him ?

 

[cynic]

You keep turning yourself into a clown with your antics.
If instead you choose to deal with data and source material you can avoid the ignorance you show with each and every post.
Here's just one example of Kristine Macartney explaining that vaccine spread is mostly amongst unvaccinated, which is contrary to the fabricated tweet's claim:
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Kristine Macartney is the Director of NCIRS and her organisation's website said this in relation to false social media:

"... online articles and posts attributed to Professor Macartney are fabricated. They do not reflect what Professor Macartney said, the official court transcript, expert opinion or fact."​

If you have evidence that Macartney said in court things that she knew to be false then she will have perjured herself, and the judgement referred to in @SirRumpole's above post would not have been made as it would have invalidated the integrity of NSW's public health orders.

Furthermore, as I now repeat, data and source material in the public domain allow any competent person to quickly determine the claims in the linked viral tweet were fabrications. The real problem here seems to be how you cannot tell what is fake and what is not given the abundance of literature available.

Errrm. Those do not look at all like court transcripts! Have you bothered to actually read them (the court transcripts) yet?!!

 

[cynic]

I am just as cynical as you about the intentions of the MSM.

You only have to read a Murdoch rag to know manipulation at it's grossest.

However when a person is misquoted and then goes public to refute that misrepresentation why shouldn't we believe her/him ?

My above response to rederob applies to you also.

 

[Belli]

Have you bothered to actually read them (the court transcripts) yet?!!

Here ya go.

Kassam v Hazzard; Henry v Hazzard [2021] NSWSC 1320 (15 October 2021)

www.austlii.edu.au

And

RMIT FactLab

RMIT FactLab is a fact-checking organisation and research hub dedicated to fact checking viral misinformation and disinformation, and building critical awa

www.rmit.edu.au

Why you shouldn't believe this fake 'transcript' of an expert witness's Supreme Court testimony

A viral post has spread on Facebook with a fake transcript claiming infectious diseases expert Kristine Macartney said vaccinated individuals are 13 times more likely to spread COVID-19.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SirRumpole]

Errrm. Those do not look at all like court transcripts! Have you bothered to actually read them (the court transcripts) yet?!!

Have you ?

 

[cynic]

Here ya go.

Kassam v Hazzard; Henry v Hazzard [2021] NSWSC 1320 (15 October 2021)

www.austlii.edu.au

And

RMIT FactLab

RMIT FactLab is a fact-checking organisation and research hub dedicated to fact checking viral misinformation and disinformation, and building critical awa

www.rmit.edu.au

Why you shouldn't believe this fake 'transcript' of an expert witness's Supreme Court testimony

A viral post has spread on Facebook with a fake transcript claiming infectious diseases expert Kristine Macartney said vaccinated individuals are 13 times more likely to spread COVID-19.

www.abc.net.au

Thanks for that.

Getting warmer, but I have yet to espy the court transcript featuring the 25 questions Professor Macartney answered under oath.

Is it in there someplace, or am I expected to settle for the judge's summation, which, as it happens, leaves the question about what was, or was not, actually said, unresolved.

 

[cynic]

Have you ?

No. I have yet to locate such, which is why I am currently withholding judgment on who's been selling pork pies.

 

[Belli]

Is it in their someplace, or am I expected to settle for the judge's summation, which, as it happens, leaves the question about what was, or was not, actually said, unresolved.

Well, that gets to a different issue. To not accept what the judiciary has written is to imply the court is deliberately and with intent handing down a judgement against the facts presented.

As you would have probably read in the links, one of the plaintiffs lawyer's confirmed that the quotes attributed to Professor Macartney online did not appear in the official court transcript.

You may, of course, apply for a copy but I believe you would need a reason beyond simply having an interest in the matter (see "Who is entitled to a transcript of a court case" in the link below.)

Transcripts

All formal criminal and civil court proceedings in NSW are recorded. Find out where and how to apply for transcripts.

www.courts.nsw.gov.au

 

[cynic]

Well, that gets to a different issue. To not accept what the judiciary has written is to imply the court is deliberately and with intent handing down a judgement against the facts presented.

As you would have probably read in the links, one of the defendants lawyers confirmed that the quotes attributed to Professor Macartney online did not appear in the official court transcript.

You may, of course, apply for a copy but I believe you would need a reason beyond simply having an interest in the matter (see "Who is entitled to a transcript of a court case" in the link below.)

Transcripts

All formal criminal and civil court proceedings in NSW are recorded. Find out where and how to apply for transcripts.

www.courts.nsw.gov.au

Yep. I thought that may be the case.

By the way, I think it was a lawyer for one of the plaintiffs (not the defendant) that confirmed the absence, from the court transcript, of the quotes attributed to Professor Macartney.

 

[Belli]

Yep. I thought that may be the case.

By the way, I think it was a lawyer for one of the plaintiffs (not the defendant) that confirmed the absence, from the court transcript, of the quotes attributed to Professor Macartney.

He he. Yes, I realised I used the wrong word and amended the post. Thanks for picking that up though.

 

[cynic]

He he. Yes, I realised I used the wrong word and amended the post. Thanks for picking that up though.

Apologies. I neglected to check for that possibility, prior to pressing the "post reply" button.

 

[rederob]

What I am attempting to highlight is, the tendency of some, to condemn others, without first acquainting themselves with the actual facts!

Your problem continues to be that you assume many things, while it is you who is without facts.

Some facts:

• as @Belli points out you need an acceptable reason to obtain the relevant court transcripts
  • assuming they could be obtained, copyright prevents them being reproduced here
• I immediately knew the viral tweet contained fabrications:
  • neither questions posed nor answers given were consistent with proceedings
  • the purported first question from the barrister about double vaccinated people being more likely to get and spread covid lacked relevance
    • that is, what cohort/s were being compared?
    • I was aware of this study which made a "13 times more" claim, but it related to people vaccinated versus people who previously caught covid, so it was obvious the tweeted question was bogus
  • Macartney would never have contradicted the information publicly available at her organisation's website
  • The question on vaccine safety and effectiveness has been regularly addressed across the world and for Macartney not to know this would have been absurd.

It's a bit of a shame that people like you are unable or unwilling to work out what constitutes fake news, and then indulge in petty obfuscations to reiterate your ignorance.