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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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wayneL said:
I'm really not sure which thread this should go into... here is a little say about discrimination and apartheid.

... And one of our indigenous Australians in rejecting both. I wish I could go and get my haircuts there.

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You should find a thread about stupidity!
Health orders have nothing to do with discrimination, religion, disability, apartheid or any of the other labels in the tweet.
If business owners don't understand that, then they are stupid.
I don't necessarily agree with all the restrictions that have been put in place as some are nonsensical. However, hairdressing is one of the few industry sectors where people spend 15 minutes or more in close physical proximity (including touching) of others. Spreading covid in such a work setting is not difficult to understand. Hairdressers have never tested their clients before cutting their hair, while customers never know the health status of their hairdresser beforehand.
Employers are required to ensure that neither their employees or customers are are placed in harm or danger. If they cannot do that, then they should not operate. Aside from that, health orders have a legal basis and, as I said, if business owners don't understand that then they are stupid.
 
www.theage.com.au

Spare AstraZeneca doses collected from pharmacies, GPs for overseas aid

So far more than 31 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been administered across the country, but some will expire soon.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au
From the article:
Hundreds of thousands of unused coronavirus vaccine doses are being rounded up from clinics around Australia to be sent to developing countries before they expire, with one million doses of AstraZeneca being collected from pharmacies alone.

The nation’s COVID taskforce has also asked GPs, Commonwealth-run clinics and Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisations to alert them of unused vials as first dose vaccination rates begin to slow in parts of the country.

Those unopened vials will form part of Australia’s aid to the region, with 10 million doses promised to neighbouring countries including Vietnam, Indonesia, Timor Leste and Papua New Guinea before the end of the year.

So far more than 31 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been administered across the country, and 63.4 per cent of the eligible population aged 16 and up is fully vaccinated. More than 2 million doses were administered in the last seven days.
Demand for first doses is slowing in some states and territories. The ACT has achieved a first dose rate of nearly 98 per cent of everyone aged 12 and up, while NSW has tipped over the 90 per cent mark of everyone aged over 16. Victoria has given first doses to 86.2 per cent of the eligible population.

With supply beginning to outstrip demand, Operation COVID Shield has written to vaccine providers saying the taskforce should be alerted to unused doses, particularly those that are eight weeks from expiry for AstraZeneca or four weeks from expiry for Pfizer.
Royal Australian College of General Practitioners president Dr Karen Price said while general practices are “still going through a few second doses of AstraZeneca,” increasing supply of Pfizer meant ordering of AstraZeneca had dropped off.

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“It will basically be largely Pfizer now. Each GP will have different requirements, but there aren’t many people turning up for first AstraZeneca doses anymore.”
Australia has donated nearly 3.6 million doses to countries in the Indo-Pacific so far, and has committed to delivering 10 million by the end of this year and a further 10 million by the end of the financial year.
 
Interesting that Queensland is only at 71% first dose and the Premier is saying that Pfizer vaccine will have to be dumped, unless people roll up for vaccination.
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Another enterprising COVID hero. Claims she is a doctor (NO! ) and has the authority to issue "medical exemption certificates for COVID " (whatever that means. ??) . Has issued 600 certificates at up to $150 each.

Be interesting to see how the court views her claims. This is what the legitimatye exemptions are actually for

www.abc.net.au

Woman charged with pretending to be doctor, issuing hundreds of fake vaccine exemptions 'doesn't believe she's done anything wrong'

Police are trying to track down people who received a fake "medical exemption" from the Toowoomba woman, who was charging up to $150 per document.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

www.health.gov.au

ATAGI Expanded Guidance on temporary medical exemptions for COVID-19 vaccines

The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) have developed guidance for providers on acute major medical conditions that warrant a temporary medical exemption relevant for COVID-19 vaccines.
www.health.gov.au www.health.gov.au
 
SirRumpole said:
This may be of interest to some.

www.abc.net.au

Why you shouldn't believe this fake 'transcript' of an expert witness's Supreme Court testimony

A viral post has spread on Facebook with a fake transcript claiming infectious diseases expert Kristine Macartney said vaccinated individuals are 13 times more likely to spread COVID-19.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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Well worth reading that story in full.

Highlights the duplicity and fear mongering at the centre of much of the "anti vaxxer/COVID is a hoax" industry. :(
 
The effects of long COVID need to be considered in evaluating how dangerous it is to society. The indications are that around 5% of infected people suffer on going long term problems. So they won't show up as deaths but the consequences will be substantial.

It's not just a nasty flu which knocks you around for couple of weeks and then you recover.

www.abc.net.au

'What's wrong with mum?': This is what it feels like to live with long COVID

As Australia comes to grips with the idea of living with COVID-19, Freya, Judy and Adam already know what that's like. They're part of a growing number of people with long COVID and they want to help you understand what it feels like.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
Personally, I'd prefer to read the actual court transcript, rather than a purported "fact checking" entity, and thereby discern the veracity (or lack thereof) of the various claims, and counter claims, being made.

Has anybody bothered to fact check these purported "fact checkers"?
 
cynic said:
Personally, I'd prefer to read the actual court transcript, rather than a purported "fact checking" entity, and thereby discern the veracity (or lack thereof) of the various claims, and counter claims, being made.

Has anybody bothered to fact check these purported "fact checkers"?
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You are welcome to do that.
 
SirRumpole said:
If you wish to dispute that article, you are welcome to provide evidence that it is wrong.
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That's not my wish nor is it what I am saying!

What I aam attempting to highlight is, the tendency of some, to condemn others, without first acquainting themselves with the actual facts!
 
cynic said:
That's not my wish nor is it what I am saying!

What I aam attempting to highlight is, the tendency of some, to condemn others, without first acquainting themselves with the actual facts!
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"Professor Macartney told Fact Check the premise of the question related to the study that had been put to her in court constituted a "complete misinterpretation of the data".

I find it hard to believe that a reputable media organisation would misrepresent a direct quote when doing that would make them liable for court action. So I'm more inclined to believe this article than I would believe an unidentified blogger.
 
SirRumpole said:
"Professor Macartney told Fact Check the premise of the question related to the study that had been put to her in court constituted a "complete misinterpretation of the data".

I find it hard to believe that a reputable media organisation would misrepresent a direct quote when doing that would make them liable for court action. So I'm more inclined to believe this article than I would believe an unidentified blogger.
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Well, you're entitled to your opinion on which information sources you consider credible. Until I see the actual court transcript, so that I can determine for myself, who's telling it true, and who's serving the porkies, I'll be reserving my judgment.

For what it's worth, over the decades, I have been witness to numerous instances of MSM disinforming the public, in a manner, that seemed to be designed to protect favoured narratives from the presence of inconvenient facts.

As such, I most certainly do not share your confidence in the integrity of the MSM.
 
cynic said:
Well, you're entitled to your opinion on which information sources you consider credible. Until I see the actual court transcript, so that I can determine for myself, who's telling it true, and who's serving the porkies, I'll be reserving my judgment.

For what it's worth, over the decades, I have been witness to numerous instances of MSM disinforming the public, in a manner, that seemed to be designed to protect favoured narratives from the presence of inconvenient facts.

As such, I most certainly do not share your confidence in the integrity of the MSM.
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Your alternative is to find a source that proves the points in the viral tweets.
Maybe you should consider doing that rather than running a baseless post?

In this case you are actually disputing information that is readily available from many sources that have nothing to do with MSM. Aside from that, fact checking sites do not use MSM to confirm or otherwise what is claimed; they go to the source.
It's one thing to be a cynic, and another again to be lazy and foolish.
 
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