Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[basilio]

3) The super rich are activating their Get out of Jail cards.

Super-rich jet off to disaster bunkers amid coronavirus outbreak
‘Self isolate’ for some of world’s richest means Covid-19 tests abroad, personal medics and subterranean hideouts

Like hundreds of thousands of people across the world, the super-rich are preparing to self-isolate in the face of an escalation in the coronavirus crisis. But their plans extend far beyond stocking up on hand sanitiser and TV boxsets.

The world’s richest people are chartering private jets to set off for holiday homes or specially prepared disaster bunkers in countries that, so far, appear to have avoided the worst of the Covid-19 outbreak.

Many are understood to be taking personal doctors or nurses on their flights to treat them and their families in the event that they become infected. The wealthy are also besieging doctors in private clinics in Harley Street, London, and across the world, demanding private coronavirus tests.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...g-worried-wealthy-jet-off-to-disaster-bunkers

 

[basilio]

4) The US is way off the mark in terms of even getting to first base to control the epidemic

Worst still to come in US coronavirus outbreak: Expert
Concerns mount about US ability to contain the virus as the WHO declares it a pandemic.
The coronavirus situation in the United States is "going to get worse", Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told politicians in Washington DC on Wednesday, saying the virus is killing people at a higher rate than that of the flu.

"It is 10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu," Fauci told the House Oversight and Reform Committee.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/worst-coronavirus-outbreak-expert-200311161912421.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...p-trump-cdc-new-york-california-a9390581.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/us-coronavirus-death-toll-states-total-cases

 

[basilio]

5) The consequences of the virus overrunning badly at risk communities will be horrific. While this scenario tales place a long way away in the outback (very convenient thank you) there is no reason to think it won't happen in places with excellent health systems.

Check out the second story and note the impact of children in spreading the disease. Then consider all the grandparents who support their children by baby sitting for them.

Mayhem looms just around the corner': diary from the frontline of the coronavirus health crisis
Anonymous
We don’t have enough staff or resources, and our remoteness means that help can’t easily be brought in. And who would want to come anyway?

I am a doctor in a small, remote hospital with a predominantly Aboriginal patient load. My colleagues and I know we are facing an unprecedented disaster when Covid-19 takes hold in our area, as it seems it must inevitably do.'

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...he-frontline-of-the-coronavirus-health-crisis

'Healthcare on brink of collapsing': Doctors share stories from inside the Italy coronavirus quarantine

I'm just back from Italy and "enjoying" my first day of self-isolation.

Getting a real picture of how bad the situation is, especially in Lombardy and the north, has been really difficult for TV news because movement is so restricted, access to the overwhelmed hospitals impossible and the danger of infection so great.

But it's really important people understand just how bad things are, not least because it is where we may be headed.

So I will continue to write here about conversations, emails or recordings with those who are still under quarantine in Italy.

Some will be Britons who have stayed on, some Italians, some doctors. I start with a voice recording of two Milanese doctors speaking on WhatsApp about the situation at their hospitals.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/italy-doctors-coronavirus-covid-19-quarantine-milan-health/

 

[Tink]

Thanks @bellenuit

Our trip was booked prior to the travel restrictions.

https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destinations/europe/austria

 

[qldfrog]

5) The consequences of the virus overrunning badly at risk communities will be horrific. While this scenario tales place a long way away in the outback (very convenient thank you) there is no reason to think it won't happen in places with excellent health systems.

Check out the second story and note the impact of children in spreading the disease. Then consider all the grandparents who support their children by baby sitting for them.

Mayhem looms just around the corner': diary from the frontline of the coronavirus health crisis
Anonymous
We don’t have enough staff or resources, and our remoteness means that help can’t easily be brought in. And who would want to come anyway?

I am a doctor in a small, remote hospital with a predominantly Aboriginal patient load. My colleagues and I know we are facing an unprecedented disaster when Covid-19 takes hold in our area, as it seems it must inevitably do.'

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...he-frontline-of-the-coronavirus-health-crisis

'Healthcare on brink of collapsing': Doctors share stories from inside the Italy coronavirus quarantine

I'm just back from Italy and "enjoying" my first day of self-isolation.

Getting a real picture of how bad the situation is, especially in Lombardy and the north, has been really difficult for TV news because movement is so restricted, access to the overwhelmed hospitals impossible and the danger of infection so great.

But it's really important people understand just how bad things are, not least because it is where we may be headed.

So I will continue to write here about conversations, emails or recordings with those who are still under quarantine in Italy.

Some will be Britons who have stayed on, some Italians, some doctors. I start with a voice recording of two Milanese doctors speaking on WhatsApp about the situation at their hospitals.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/italy-doctors-coronavirus-covid-19-quarantine-milan-health/

If not on your ignore list, i actually raised that issue yesterday, it will be a slaughter in aboriginal communities with disastrous effects as you pointed on the kids with the loss of the ones holding these somewhat
The aunties and uncles
And even in suburban environment

 

[basilio]

If not on your ignore list, i actually raised that issue yesterday, it will be a slaughter in aboriginal communities with disastrous effects as you pointed on the kids with the loss of the ones holding these somewhat
The aunties and uncles
And even in suburban environment

You did Qfrog and I noticed it. The article expanded on that issue. And while some people might see it as an indigenous problem I agree that this will spread through all cities.

And your not on my ignore list (which in fact doesn't exist)
Cheers

 

[grah33]

a little while more and i guess i'll have to stop having my daily cappuccinos

i'm guessing some of you are buying Gold because of this?

 

[Dona Ferentes]

5) The consequences of the virus overrunning badly at risk communities will be horrific.

Mayhem looms just around the corner': diary from the frontline of the coronavirus health crisis

'Healthcare on brink of collapsing': Doctors share stories from inside the Italy coronavirus quarantine

Comorbidity is a bitch

 

[sptrawler]

Italy is obviously becoming the 'test bed' for the response to the virus, unfortunately they don't seem to be getting ahead of the curve, it seems to me, the idea that the virus is mainly coming in from outside the Country is seriously flawed. Because it has been going on in China for so long, one would think it is well and truly embedded in most Countries, a lot is going to be learned from this IMO.
The Countries with small numbers of cases, must be trying to work out when is the best time in the process, to put the Country in full lockdown.
So I guess I had better go on the hunt for toilet paper.
On a side note, bought a couple of respirators from Bunnings yesterday, you never know you may require something if you have to go out for supplies in a lockdown situation. Anybody else got any ideas that might help if there is a lockdown, like Italy?
Might be a good time to swap ideas, better to have something and not need it, than need it and not have it.
Just my musings

 

[qldfrog]

I am amazed you could find mask in bunnings, none available in the last 3 weeks here

 

[sptrawler]

I am amazed you could find mask in bunnings, none available in the last 3 weeks here

Our local Bunnings is one of the few small ones left, so only the locals use it.

 

[greggles]

Tom Hanks and wife Rita Wilson infected with coronavirus while in Australia.

 

[bluekelah]

a little while more and i guess i'll have to stop having my daily cappuccinos

i'm guessing some of you are buying Gold because of this?

Food gold facemasks

 

[sptrawler]

I don’t know the guy who tweeted it? And the author isn’t named from what I can see.

i have no doubt the situation in Italy is serious, but that account just stinks of a random viral email that gets spread around.

maybe it’s a language thing?

This is starting to add a bit of credibility to the story WayneL posted.
https://www.theage.com.au/world/eur...to-save-younger-patients-20200312-p5499t.html
From the article:
Amsterdam: Italian doctors say the coronavirus pandemic may mean patients over a certain age could be banned from intensive care units and left to die to give others a better chance of survival.
The advice – distributed by the Italian College of Anaesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care amid a rapidly escalating outbreak in Europe – warns of the difficult moral and ethical decisions facing doctors and nurses as COVID-19 spreads and overwhelms public hospitals.

The outbreak has overwhelmed hospitals in the country's hard-hit north, where the majority of cases are. Nearly 6000 people are in hospital and a further 1028 in intensive care.

The United Kingdom is expected to shortly announce it will abandon its 'containment' strategy in favour of a 'delay' strategy designed to push the peak of the crisis towards summer when the National Health System can better cope with a deluge of patients.

This is getting serious, people should be really take care to stay away from closed gatherings and I noticed in Coles a lot of people are using the wipes on the trolley's.
On a lighter note at Woolies while waiting for the wife, I saw a guy walking out the in with a trolley full to the gunnels, a security guard chased and grabbed the trolley the guy just kept walking.
By the way I don't think it will be a case of, if we get quarantined, I think it will be a case of when.
Just my opinion.

 

[bluekelah]

'Hospitals are overwhelmed': Italian doctors describe the struggle of fighting the coronavirus outbreak

https://www.thelocal.it/20200311/ho...struggle-of-fighting-the-coronavirus-outbreak

 

[Dona Ferentes]

I keep hearing, especially from fund manager delusionists, comparisons with the flu.

Get real people.

According to a review article published in BMC Medicine, the R0 value of the 1918 pandemic was estimated to be between 1.4 and 2.8. But when the swine flu, or H1N1 virus, came back in 2009, its R0 value was between 1.4 and 1.6, report researchers in the journal Science. The existence of vaccines and antiviral drugs made the 2009 outbreak much less deadly

Early estimates for Covid-19 out of China are R0 of at least 2.0.

Also death rate is an order of magnitude higher than for flu. AT LEAST. ...say 2% plus or minus, versus 0.05-0.1%

No vaccine, also.

 

[Knobby22]

Yes, it annoys me greatly.
No anti viral treatments either.

 

[bluekelah]

Yes, it annoys me greatly.
No anti viral treatments either.

Well there are a couple antiviral drugs under testing on humans in china and those biotech firms share price are holding up well in this stock crash.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2020/03/03/2003731982
[Favilavir is the second anti-viral drug after remdesivir that Taiwan has synthesized to combat the novel coronavirus, which originated in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

Remdesivir, which has shown some efficacy in treating the coronavirus, was approved by the Chinese National Medical Products Administration last month. ]

IMHO Remdesivir will definitely help against COVID19 depending on stage of the disease in the patient. Problem is proper testing and then making enough and supplying the world in time.

Considering buying some Gilead stock for a punt.
https://fortune.com/2020/03/10/gilead-coronavirus-treatment-remdesivir-being-used-washington-cdc/

 

[satanoperca]

Has anyone on this site ever contracted a deadly virus, spent 3 months in ICU, recovered, only to face the same situation again?

You are all blowing this out of proportion.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Has anyone on this site ever contracted a deadly virus, spent 3 months in ICU, recovered, only to face the same situation again?

You are all blowing this out of proportion.

um. No you are distorting and so flawed

3 months. Ha. when was the first case in Australia?
Its a virus. for some its deadly (2%)