Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

sptrawler · 26 August 2021

IFocus said:
Nope Morrison dumped it on the states McGowan wanted nothing to do with it and repeated that numerus times.

Robs right SP not so much... sorry SP

See IFocus this is the problem with believing everything you hear, rather than doing your own research, Rob talks up a storm and is beautifully eloquent and persuasive in his argument.
But it doesn't mean he doesn't talk a lot of $hit, because he does, just because he says it in a way that impresses you doesn't mean you have to swallow it hook line and sinker.
So now, what did you base your statement on quote: "Nope Morrison dumped it on the states" "Robs right SP not so much... sorry SP"

I think your belief is misplaced, as I posted an ABC article on that very subject re posted below, so am I due an apology? ?
Robs wrong, Ifocus is wrong, SP not so wrong....Sorry IFocus

Why are the states and territories, and not the Commonwealth, running hotel quarantine?

The states and territories agreed to run hotel quarantine as part of their broader responsibility for public health, despite it being a federal role under the constitution. Why?

www.abc.net.au

IFocus · 26 August 2021

sptrawler said:
See IFocus this is the problem with believing everything you hear, rather than doing your own research, Rob talks up a storm and is beautifully eloquent and persuasive in his argument.
But it doesn't mean he doesn't talk a lot of $hit, because he does, just because he says it in a way that impresses you doesn't mean you have to swallow it hook line and sinker.
So now, what did you base your statement on quote: "Nope Morrison dumped it on the states" "Robs right SP not so much... sorry SP"

I think your belief is misplaced, as I posted an ABC article on that very subject re posted below, so am I due an apology? ?
Robs wrong, Ifocus is wrong, SP not so wrong....Sorry IFocus

Why are the states and territories, and not the Commonwealth, running hotel quarantine?

The states and territories agreed to run hotel quarantine as part of their broader responsibility for public health, despite it being a federal role under the constitution. Why?

www.abc.net.au

Thought that would get a bite, McGowan has said ad nauseam quarantine was a federal responsibility but they didn't want to do it and he was stuck with it.

Lets face it as the article you reference it makes clear Morrison would have stuffed it up any way.

sptrawler · 26 August 2021

IFocus said:
Thought that would get a bite, McGowan has said ad nauseam quarantine was a federal responsibility but they didn't want to do it and he was stuck with it.

Lets face it as the article you reference it makes clear Morrison would have stuffed it up any way.

Very possibly, but what you said was bull$hit, pure and simple.
Morrison wasn't responsible for the quarantine, the States were, even though Rob says different, that is pure BS that Rob throws up endlessly.?

Morrison has got a crap group of ministers IMO, he like Barnett is a one man band, which makes it really difficult IMO.
To just lay all the blame at his feet is just political nonsense, IMO it is time for a change of Government, they are burnt out.

But as I've also said the media will lose the election for Labor, if they constantly keep on this Morrison is the blame for everything, as I just showed you, people aren't stupid and eventually they block out the trash talk and white noise.

I'll pose another question, what if Morrison steps down retires and hands over the reigns to Frydenberg, all the focus on Morrison is out the window. Just saying.
With regard McGowan, he is doing a great job, IMO he is Barnett in a different party, which is fine.
As long as the policies and the direction, is for the benefit of the State, who gives a rats ar$e which party it is, I don't.

mullokintyre · 27 August 2021

And once again the MSM add fuel to the fire.
From ABC NEWS

New research shows that under the current settings, daily COVID-19 case numbers will continue to climb and could peak between 1,500 and 6,000 a day by early October.
The University of Sydney has used complex modelling to forecast the trajectory of the latest outbreak, factoring in the high infectiousness of the Delta variant, current lockdown settings and the progress of the vaccine rollout.

Using data available up until August 25, it found that if restrictions were fully lifted when 80 per cent of adults were vaccinated, infections could surge to 40,000 cases a day.

The modelling showed that in the following month, half a million people could become infected with the virus, even with continued testing, tracing, isolation, quarantine and international travel restrictions.

A thinly veiled swipe at those who want to ease restrictions.
Loved the term 'Complex Modelling".
This is to couch it in terms that suggest its the real deal.
But its still just modelling.
Words like "up to" and "could" don't hide the fact that there is no way of ever proving that their models are even close to reality.
There is details on what assumptions they made, what variables went into it, what the range of variable values were used.
No better or worse than the Doherty models.
Mick

rederob · 27 August 2021

sptrawler said:
You wont accept it, you're the one who is saying that the Queensland Government was building the wellcamp facility, because the Feds weren't building one
then in the next post you said Pinkenba was actually proceeding.

Queensland is building Wellcamp because the feds have made zero progress to date anywhere in Australia.
The Pinkenba facility has not yet finalised building plans, and once drawn up they will need to go to tender (unless built by the Army), so construction might commence early next year and be completed within 6 months if incredibly lucky. That's some 2 years too late.

Qld's Premier rightly puts the State's ability to control covid ahead of federal procrastination and inaction on quarantine and correctly says preventable lockdowns cost States billions. You can spin anything you want to believe but finally getting a purpose built facility sooner rather than later achieves health/safety and economic imperatives.

Regarding quarantine responsibility, I am not aware of any State Act that prevails. All the initial agreements via National Cabinet related to cost sharing and the primary role of State health agencies. Hotel quarantine was meant to be a stop gap to get overseas Australians safely home, and to that end States originally covered everyone's hotel costs. That subsequently unravelled to the blame game that continues to this day.

My last point on Pinkenba is that it need not rely on a MOU as the federal Health Minister has every authority needed to run a quarantine facility. It's another example of abrogation of responsibility.

Junior · 27 August 2021

rederob said:
Queensland is building Wellcamp because the feds have made zero progress to date anywhere in Australia.
The Pinkenba facility has not yet finalised building plans, and once drawn up they will need to go to tender (unless built by the Army), so construction might commence early next year and be completed within 6 months if incredibly lucky. That's some 2 years too late.

Qld's Premier rightly puts the State's ability to control covid ahead of federal procrastination and inaction on quarantine and correctly says preventable lockdowns cost States billions. You can spin anything you want to believe but finally getting a purpose built facility sooner rather than later achieves health/safety and economic imperatives.

My last point on Pinkenba is that it need not rely on a MOU as the federal Health Minister has every authority needed to run a quarantine facility. It's another example of abrogation of responsibility.

Such a shame it's about 12 months' later than it could have been. By the time it's finished we'll be at 85% vaccination coverage, and although it may be useful, it won't save us from lockdown/restrictions, the way it could have through 2021.

Not the QLD govn't fault by the way. The Federal Government has unlimited financial resources, control of the ADF, and even ability to bring in overseas workers should they see fit. They could have built a couple of mega-facilities late in 2020, when it was blatantly f***ing obvious to all and sundry, they were desperately needed!! They actually had the stupidity to state it would cost too much....well how much have lockdowns cost us so far this year??

qldfrog · 27 August 2021

Junior said:
Such a shame it's about 12 months' later than it could have been. By the time it's finished we'll be at 85% vaccination coverage, and although it may be useful, it won't save us from lockdown/restrictions, the way it could have through 2021.

Not the QLD govn't fault by the way. The Federal Government has unlimited financial resources, control of the ADF, and even ability to bring in overseas workers should they see fit. They could have built a couple of mega-facilities late in 2020, when it was blatantly f***ing obvious to all and sundry, they were desperately needed!! They actually had the stupidity to state it would cost too much....well how much have lockdowns cost us so far this year??

and still no one talking about building extra hospital, either the threat of covid is real and we need it now, or it is bogus..mostly ..but we will still need it anyway;
even before any covid here in qld, you wait hours in the hospital ramps before getting admitted;
And I beliee the same elsewhere;
in France they managed to even have less beds now than pre covid
in 2019, and for previous 2 y , hospital personel were marching, doing pseudo strike..unpaid but still working.....but headline is now about overwhelmed ICUs...and not a journo to speak...

so, in qld, heart attack, call emergencies, 15-20min later ambos are here and driving to the emergency..fair then 2 or 3 h before triage..waiting in the ambulance
this is 2021 without any covid...
Good luck, hope you can pray...

bellenuit · 27 August 2021

Capitol riot lawyer who said he would never get vaccine has Covid and is on ventilator

Capitol riot lawyer who dismissed vaccine has Covid and is on ventilator

‘Entire 82nd Airborne couldn’t make me get an experimental government vaccine stuck in my arm,’ attorney tweets

www.independent.co.uk

mullokintyre · 27 August 2021

Junior said:
Such a shame it's about 12 months' later than it could have been. By the time it's finished we'll be at 85% vaccination coverage, and although it may be useful, it won't save us from lockdown/restrictions, the way it could have through 2021.

Not the QLD govn't fault by the way. The Federal Government has unlimited financial resources, control of the ADF, and even ability to bring in overseas workers should they see fit. They could have built a couple of mega-facilities late in 2020, when it was blatantly f***ing obvious to all and sundry, they were desperately needed!! They actually had the stupidity to state it would cost too much....well how much have lockdowns cost us so far this year??

And who was it that set the lockdowns in place?
Not the Feds.
The state premiers.
Wellcamp is just another foray by an ego driven grandstanding Premier who at one point told everyone that "Queensland Hospitals are for Queenslanders".
She didn't even tell the Feds about it, much less consult.
And as to the people of Toowoomba where the facility will be placed, not a word to them either.
And from ABC NEWS we have

Dr Matthew Cordone, who works across the border at Tweed Heads Superclinic, said it was an "unbelievable situation".
A Gold Coast doctor says orders that non-medical staff can no longer cross the border for work are putting lives at risk and compromising the vaccine rollout.
Health care providers on both sides of the border were outraged after the ban, which came into effect yesterday.
It meant non-medical staff — which included speech pathologists, reception staff, caterers, practice managers and social workers at hospitals and private practices — were no longer considered essential workers.
Dr Cordone said stopping those workers from crossing the border would have detrimental effects on patients in both NSW and Queensland.

"I think that there will be harm that will come to a patient because the systems that are in place for the patients to move through the hospital safely are being disrupted," he said.

"These [roles] are unable to be performed correctly at the moment because the hospitals are down on their regular team members. I think harm will occur and is occurring at the moment, despite doctors and nurses' best efforts."

If Wellcamp is built, and the Feds go ahead with Pinkemba, which one do you think will become a white elephant?
The Feds control the International Airports and will direct people to Pinkemba, because it is a perfect way to stick it up the premier, which is what the entire game is all about.
Its just Politics, none of them give a rats arse as to their constituents, despite all the hand wringing and token speeches.
Mick

wayneL · 27 August 2021

Junior said:
Such a shame it's about 12 months' later than it could have been. By the time it's finished we'll be at 85% vaccination coverage, and although it may be useful, it won't save us from lockdown/restrictions, the way it could have through 2021.

Not the QLD govn't fault by the way. The Federal Government has unlimited financial resources, control of the ADF, and even ability to bring in overseas workers should they see fit. They could have built a couple of mega-facilities late in 2020, when it was blatantly f***ing obvious to all and sundry, they were desperately needed!! They actually had the stupidity to state it would cost too much....well how much have lockdowns cost us so far this year??

Yep, concentration camps are da bomb.

Sklaverei ist Freiheit, Kamerad!

sptrawler · 27 August 2021

Wellcamp, it sounds too good to be true, built on Wagner land, by the Wagner family building group, to service the Wagner family airport. Paid for by the taxpayer, with no open tender. Smells of a taxpayer funded holiday resort, when the virus quarantining isn't required.
Carparks anyone.
I would like to see what would have been said, if the Libs had suggested it.?

divs4ever · 27 August 2021

qldfrog said:
and still no one talking about building extra hospital, either the threat of covid is real and we need it now, or it is bogus..mostly ..but we will still need it anyway;
even before any covid here in qld, you wait hours in the hospital ramps before getting admitted;
And I beliee the same elsewhere;
in France they managed to even have less beds now than pre covid
in 2019, and for previous 2 y , hospital personel were marching, doing pseudo strike..unpaid but still working.....but headline is now about overwhelmed ICUs...and not a journo to speak...

so, in qld, heart attack, call emergencies, 15-20min later ambos are here and driving to the emergency..fair then 2 or 3 h before triage..waiting in the ambulance
this is 2021 without any covid...
Good luck, hope you can pray...

awesome

i have plenty of time to find my nitro-lingual then

the directions FOR ME ( and NOT most people ) is

ring the ambulance FIRST and then have a couple of whiffs of Nitro , because the Nitro reacting with the current medications will guarantee hospital treatment is necessary ( regardless of the need for any heart treatment )

luckily i haven't needed to do this in the last 4 years , but the instructions still make me smile

and if a heart attack i would be tempted to ring a cab ( despite the fact the Ambos are free for me , and the local paramedics tend to be cuties )

cabs are NOT impressed by those bleeding, vomiting etc etc , but they do tend to arrive promptly most off-peak hours

divs4ever · 27 August 2021

sptrawler said:
Wellcamp, it sounds too good to be true, built on Wagner land, by the Wagner family building group, to service the Wagner family airport. Paid for by the taxpayer, with no open tender. Smells of a taxpayer funded holiday resort, when the virus quarantining isn't required.
Carparks anyone.
I would like to see what would have been said, if the Libs had suggested it.?

well i hold some WGN ,

so have mixed feelings about this

rederob · 27 August 2021

mullokintyre said:
And who was it that set the lockdowns in place?
Not the Feds.

True.
The feds failed Border Protection and, separately, Quarantine.
As a result the States used the tried and proven lockdown strategy.

mullokintyre said:
Wellcamp is just another foray by an ego driven grandstanding Premier who at one point told everyone that "Queensland Hospitals are for Queenslanders".
She didn't even tell the Feds about it, much less consult.

Wellcamp has been on the cards since January - only a surprise if you live in a cave.

mullokintyre said:
If Wellcamp is built, and the Feds go ahead with Pinkemba, which one do you think will become a white elephant?

Neither.
Wellcamp replaces a very small volume of current hotel occupancy, and even with Pinkenba will be inadequate for arrivals.

mullokintyre said:
The Feds control the International Airports and will direct people to Pinkemba, because it is a perfect way to stick it up the premier, which is what the entire game is all about.

Let's hope they do that. It will show how pathetic the feds have been in their blame game and politicking of responses to a health emergency.

sptrawler · 27 August 2021

divs4ever said:
well i hold some WGN ,

so have mixed feelings about this

Well done, it should work out well for Wagner, they get paid to build it and no doubt operate it.
Then post Covid it is a purpose built village for overseas seasonal workers. No doubt Wagner recruitment and labour supply will be kicking off in the future. Win, Win, Win, I think I will be picking some up.

macca · 27 August 2021

Meanwhile, we have another attempt to slow the spread of Covid.

It seems that nasal sprays are looking promising, as Covid incubates within the sinus area that does make sense.

Of particular interest is Xlean, a spray that is currently available OTC for sinus relief right now here in OZ.
As it is already in common usage I have ordered some for myself, seems a no brainer to me.

If we can find something to stop/slow the spread we are well on the way to a normal world

It is starting phase 3 in the USA 30/8

<<Brief Summary:
This study aims to find out the efficacy of Xlear nasal spray as an adjunct medication against COVID-19. This encompasses reduction in the number of days to negativization via nasal swab PCR from the average 14 days and early improvement of symptoms.>>

ClinicalTrials.gov

clinicaltrials.gov

Humid · 27 August 2021

Junior said:
Such a shame it's about 12 months' later than it could have been. By the time it's finished we'll be at 85% vaccination coverage, and although it may be useful, it won't save us from lockdown/restrictions, the way it could have through 2021.

Not the QLD govn't fault by the way. The Federal Government has unlimited financial resources, control of the ADF, and even ability to bring in overseas workers should they see fit. They could have built a couple of mega-facilities late in 2020, when it was blatantly f***ing obvious to all and sundry, they were desperately needed!! They actually had the stupidity to state it would cost too much....well how much have lockdowns cost us so far this year??

If only Harvey Norman had a construction department.....

sptrawler · 27 August 2021

Humid said:
If only Harvey Norman had a construction department.....

They're probably supplying the furniture. ?

wayneL · 27 August 2021

Collateral damage > COVID

Joules MM1 · 27 August 2021

Prof. Peter Doherty

@ProfPCDoherty
·
3h

For the Ivermectin enthusiasts, here's what the Merck Company that made this drug and gave it free for the treatment of river blindness in Africa say about its use for therapy in COVID-19.

Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Merck.com

KENILWORTH, N.J., Feb. 4, 2021 – Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic. Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of...

www.merck.com

(the above is a quote from Professor Doherty not Doctor-got-an-opinion-from-google-hospice-mouthpiece)

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