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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Agree completely with you @rederob, what I have a concern with is, how the Governments of the World reacted in such a major way, in the very early stages of the outbreak.
As you say it is very similar to the first SARs strain, yet the reaction by the Governments was far more severe and immediate, so did they know this was a much more dangerous strain? Was it just a good guess? Or was it an over reaction?
 
sptrawler said:
Agree completely with you @rederob, what I have a concern with is, how the Governments of the World reacted in such a major way, in the very early stages of the outbreak.
As you say it is very similar to the first SARs strain, yet the reaction by the Governments was far more severe and immediate, so did they know this was a much more dangerous strain? Was it just a good guess? Or was it an over reaction?
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Or did they just get reasonably scared that a virus escaping from a lab could be a bioweapon, then when real death rates ended not too big a deal,they switch into using it as a tool:
Reset as trademarked in Davoz.
It worked wonderfully: 38% of aussies believes they are at risk.. yet in France when 10 of thousands died at the beginning when we had no treatment, and the virus widespread, the average age of Covid death is still in the 80's and above the live expectancy.
Delta variant spreading faster..but less deadly..both facts,how often do you hear both points. Etc
But here, even this week,we have reasonably educated people gobbling propaganda and repeating it as truth.they will be saved by the so called vaccines.
Worse,they fight the battle,like the good anti trump soldiers of a couple of years ago. Tools of the higher masters
A pathetic reflection on an educational system where critical thinking and statistical numeracy has disappeared.. or was not there in the first place?.
So here we are post covid,the new world..the one world with universal income and socialism heaven...
No borders for migrants but you can not visit your family in the neighbouring state.(US, Europe)
Flying is bad so you stay home and be sure not to see what's happening elsewhere
in case you can compare or realise the BS force fed to you does not match.
Unless you are from the elite obviously. With record provate jetting last year...
But no more peons travelling around.. destroying Venise pictures and spoiling the views
Not so sure it is working well actually.
The hysteria us vs them working well but
1) we are twisting the virus and creating new variants with the lockdown.the slower the spread the higher the number of mutants. And we might end up with a really scary one, i mean a real pandemy
2) science (as selectively pushed to us) can not be trusted anymore so that could have serious consequences on CC or the next pandemic..real or false.
3) obviously government credibility is sinking even deeper,as for democracy as a concept...
4) China uber All. And i am sure the reset was not aiming at that.
5) nor the fact people just disconnect.
Get out in the country and do gardening and golfing fishing instead of slaving ..
Grand plans usually collapse and thanks God or whatever for that
 

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Numbers coming out for the NSW out break hospitalisation is running around 9% to 10% of recorded infections, 2% of those end up in ICU which is much higher than standard COVID.

Delta of course is affecting younger age groups as well.
 
IFocus said:
Numbers coming out for the NSW out break hospitalisation is running around 9% to 10% of recorded infections, 2% of those end up in ICU which is much higher than standard COVID.

Delta of course is affecting younger age groups as well.
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Seeing as some of us have a problem with stats, are you saying the 2% figure is 2% of the total cases , or 2% of the 9% to 10% of recorded infections.
Mick
 
mullokintyre said:
Seeing as some of us have a problem with stats, are you saying the 2% figure is 2% of the total cases , or 2% of the 9% to 10% of recorded infections.
Mick
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What is clear, is that somebody is manipulating statistics for their own ends.

Some honest number crunching would be really appreciated.
 
I've just been chatting with my beloved about who in our family has died from respiratory distress (flu, pneumonia etc) over the years.

5 out of 8 grandparents
7 cousins
My dad
Mrs' dad is on his deathbed.

The number is greater in fact, than by other causes, cancer etc.

We were discussing that this proportion seems to be no different really than those who are dying from covid.

FEIW
 
wayneL said:
I've just been chatting with my beloved about who in our family has died from respiratory distress (flu, pneumonia etc) over the years.

5 out of 8 grandparents
7 cousins
My dad
Mrs' dad is on his deathbed.

The number is greater in fact, than by other causes, cancer etc.

We were discussing that this proportion seems to be no different really than those who are dying from covid.

FEIW
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Really. And is your sample based on a cross section of population where COVID is out of control, or just from a population where COVID is well under control, like Australia and New Zealand.

I suppose all these people in Indonesia screaming out for Oxygen tanks are just an aberration...

‘Dying in their homes’: COVID-hit Indonesians scramble for oxygen​


www.aljazeera.com

‘Dying in their homes’: COVID-hit Indonesians scramble for oxygen

Citizens search desperately for oxygen to care for their loved ones at home as overwhelmed hospitals turn people away.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com

And wasn't that the story in India a few months back.
 
bellenuit said:
Really. And is your sample based on a cross section of population where COVID is out of control, or just from a population where COVID is well under control, like Australia and New Zealand.

I suppose all these people in Indonesia screaming out for Oxygen tanks are just an aberration...

‘Dying in their homes’: COVID-hit Indonesians scramble for oxygen​


www.aljazeera.com

‘Dying in their homes’: COVID-hit Indonesians scramble for oxygen

Citizens search desperately for oxygen to care for their loved ones at home as overwhelmed hospitals turn people away.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com

And wasn't that the story in India a few months back.
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Settle down bro, it's an anecdote, and a very valid one.
 
The wife and I are booked in next Tues for the AZ, we would rather not, but the North Queensland holiday is looming closer and don't want to miss it due to a rule change.
It took over 12 months, to get last years holiday booking money back, I really don't want to go through that again. :(
 
wayneL said:
67000 feaths from a population of 278 million.

About 0.024%... *from covid or *with covid?

It's hardly the bubonic plague now is it?
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That's OK then. People dying in their homes due to lack of oxygen supplies, hospitals overwhelmed etc. No big deal.

I'm sure a static percentage with no reference to the trend expresses the gravity of what is happening.

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You should learn to read data, no be beguiled by graphs.

Until then, you will be a useful idiot.

BTW:

We have had three family members now go out this year (not from covid, but they died *all alone* because of lockdowns) and another one not so far away, so **** you.
 
wayneL said:
You should learn to read data, no be beguiled by graphs.

Until then, you will be a useful idiot.
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You're not making any sense. Are the graphs wrong or do you just don't want to face up to what they are indicating?

We have had three family members now go out this year (not from covid, but they died *all alone* because of lockdowns) and another one not so far away, so **** you.

Wow. This is somehow my fault?
 
bellenuit said:
You're not making any sense. Are the graphs wrong or do you just don't want to face up to what they are indicating?

We have had three family members now go out this year (not from covid, but they died *all alone* because of lockdowns) and another one not so far away, so **** you.

Wow. This is somehow my fault?
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You introduced bs from Indonesia, mate, so I introduced real stuff from my life, @sshole.

The graphs are correct, they confirm my point, ie a 0.024% fatality rate, most likely with comorbidities.
 
If you believe figures of out of control infections and deaths in Indonesia and similar patterns emerging in The Netherlands, South Korea and a few other countries are BS, but your personal experiences from within the cocoon of WA (or even Australia in general) is more reflective of what is going on with COVID, then you need inform yourself a bit more. I personally know nobody from within my family or circle of friends and their extended families and friends dispersed over several continents who has fallen ill with COVID or worse still died as a result of COVID, but I am not so naive as to think that that cross section of people is in any way representative of what is happening elsewhere.

The graphs are correct, they confirm my point, ie a 0.024% fatality rate, most likely with comorbidities.

Then you also need to understand the difference between an average taken at a particular point in time which is the figure you quoted against the obvious trends that the graphs show, which are infections and deaths spiralling out of control.
 
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