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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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grah33 said:
are there different types of masks? which one should we get?
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Over here it's p2 masks or higher.
If you don't know how to use the mask or it has air leaks it's pretty pointless.
You should also know how to wash your hands properly.

Which 4 Hand Sanitizers Were Tested and were able to Kill SARS Viral Particles?

  • Sterillium Rub 80% Ethanol
  • Sterillium Gel 85% Ethanol
  • Sterillium Virugard 95% Ethanol
  • Sterillium based on 45% Isopropanol, 30%n-propanol and 0.2% mecetronium etilsulphate. – no longer made.
Study 2

In 2006, there was yet another study (link) which tested 70% Ethanol…and that study concluded that 70% Ethanol did kill and render SARS Coronavirus particles below detectable levels.

70% or above. Make sure you check.

Most people will more then likely get the virus. We just all don't want it at the same time.
 
moXJO said:
70% or above. Make sure you check.
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For those not aware, simple methylated spirits is 95% ethanol and kills viruses.

Every hardware store and most supermarkets sell it. Brand is irrelevant - it's just a simple chemical so they'll all be the same.

In case anyone's wondering what the other 5% is - ethanol naturally absorbs a fixed amount of water from the air and that's most of it plus a tiny amount of Bitrex to discourage anyone from drinking the stuff. 100% ethanol is difficult for that reason - it can be made but have to keep air away from it otherwise it ends up at 95% but thankfully that's more than good enough for the purpose so not a problem as such. :2twocents
 
macca said:
Food for thought..................

<<50 TONS OF VITAMIN C TO WUHAN
China Using Vitamin C Against COVID
by Andrew W. Saul, Editor-in-Chief
Orthomolecular Medicine News Service
(OMNS February 23, 2020) We can all agree that 50 tons of vitamin C pretty much qualifies as a megadose. We can also likely agree that trucking 50 tons of vitamin C, straight into Wuhan, full in the face of the COVID-19 epidemic, qualifies as news.

The news media are not reporting this, or any other, significantly positive megavitamin news.>>

DSM is a major manufacturer or bulk vitamins based in China, they shipped 50 tons of Vit C to Wuhan

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n13.shtml

meanwhile in the USA

<<Indeed, the World Health Organization (WHO) has, literally, met with Google and Facebook and other media giants to stop the spread of what they declare to be wrong information. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/14/facebook-google-amazon-met-with-who-to-talk-coronavirus-misinformation.html?__twitter_impression=true>>

but in China

Ironically, Facebook, blocking any significant users' sharing of the news of approved vitamin therapy research, is itself blocked in China by the Chinese government. As for the internet, yes, China has it. And yes, it is censored. But, significantly, the Chinese government has not blocked this real news on how intravenous vitamin C will save lives in the COVID-19 epidemic. Here is the protocol as published in Chinese: http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n11-chi.shtml

Now, where is that big pharma thread..............

we do not have a vaccine and cannot have a vaccine for many months if ever, in China they are testing mega doses of Vit C to ease the symptoms while people recover.

As Vit C is a known to be safe to use by most people, surely it is worth a try. Why is the news of China's current use of it labelled as fake news in USA by the WHO

Does make me wonder..........
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Following on from this post more details from China and treatments tried over there

An official statement from Xi'an Jiaotong University Second Hospital (2) reads:

"On the afternoon of February 20, 2020, another 4 patients with severe new coronaviral pneumonia recovered from the C10 West Ward of Tongji Hospital. In the past 8 patients have been discharged from hospital. . . [H]igh-dose vitamin C achieved good results in clinical applications. We believe that for patients with severe neonatal pneumonia and critically ill patients, vitamin C treatment should be initiated as soon as possible after admission. . .[E]arly application of large doses of vitamin C can have a strong antioxidant effect, reduce inflammatory responses, and improve endothelial function. . . Numerous studies have shown that the dose of vitamin C has a lot to do with the effect of treatment. . . [H]gh-dose vitamin C can not only improve antiviral levels, but more importantly, can prevent and treat acute lung injury (ALI) and acute respiratory distress (ARDS)."

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n16.shtml

Interesting to see if China will make an official statement on this, obviously it is a state run hospital and they took a very dim view of another doctor who spoke out of turn somewhere else.

These people are still researching and releasing results, I suppose the big difference is their news is positive and the other one was negative.

Unfortunately the other chap died.
 
sptrawler said:
This can't be repeated enough, but it is the most important thing.

“It’s also important to keep your hands away from your face,” said Dr. Vaishampayan. “Respiratory viruses don’t infect through your skin, they infect through your mucous membranes: the eyes, nose and mouth.
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which why I hate all these "DO NOT PANIC" telling us; do not wear mask, it is not useful bla bla bla:
if you have a mask, you do not touch your nose/mouth even if the mask itself is not preventing contaminated air etc..A SIMPLE DUST MASK CAN HELP HERE
And wearing glasses, there is no way I could do a hand to mucous with a mask..real issue is there are no masks available so we need to save them for critical..aka surgeons and sick people, but yes it is useful
as always, it just kills/ saves 1% so do not bother...unless you happen to be that 1pc..someone is always the 1pc not statistically significant but bloody important if you are the one...
 
grah33 said:
are there different types of masks? which one should we get?
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surgical or N95 to filter the air and not let virus go thru but read my view about wearing a mask...as a physical barrier preventing the hand to nose/mouth/eye
Remember as well in China, everyone is also wearing glasses...sunnies at least to try to avoid air to eye contamination
 
Was just getting lunch at a takeaway. Someone coughed in line and it looked like everyone was prepared to bolt out of there.
 
i just saw the whole isle empty of toilet paper and other paper. then they replenished and i picked up 4 bags (the limit). People were looking at me . It was embarrassing .

I'm guessing we're gonna see more and more infections get reported now.


(also, thanks for the tips everyone)
 
grah33 said:
i just saw the whole isle empty of toilet paper and other paper. then they replenished and i picked up 4 bags (the limit). People were looking at me . It was embarrassing .

I'm guessing we're gonna see more and more infections get reported now.


(also, thanks for the tips everyone)
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I've told the grandkids 4 sheets only, so do a risk analysis, before taking the swipe.:roflmao:
 
moXJO said:
Can you imagine the conversations in the toilet paper factory. They must have got blindsided.

The way it's going I won't be wiping my arse for weeks.

Did you have a run on any items?
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I run a Viet/Thai restaurant in a Western area so to a large degree we are unaffected turnover wise.
Just worried about the supply side.

btw Yesterday was a full contact AFL Training for (sweaty) over 35s. No fears of exchanging bodily fluids there.
Amazing the different reactions to this issue.
 
UMike said:
I run a Viet/Thai restaurant in a Western area so to a large degree we are unaffected turnover wise.
Just worried about the supply side.

btw Yesterday was a full contact AFL Training for (sweaty) over 35s. No fears of exchanging bodily fluids there.
Amazing the different reactions to this issue.
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In Australians mond it is still a Chinese/foreigner's issue
As said orobably 1 month or so ago, just wait till it is Steve or John dying and it will change the mindset from getting stuff before the bloody wog empty the supermarket
to
**** i or my family might die,
 
I don't know the source of this information, but it is worrying. Only the first 60 seconds is relevant as it seems to have being overlaid on some other unrelated video.

 
Looking specifically at the Australian situation:

NT = 1 case (existing)
Tas = 1 case (existing)
WA = 2 cases (1 existing, 1 dead)
SA = 5 cases (3 existing, 2 recovered)
Vic = 10 cases (6 existing, 4 recovered)
Qld = 11 cases (10 existing, 1 recovered)
NSW = 22 cases (17 existing, 4 recovered, 1 dead)

Looking at the trend, we're starting to see the rapid increase that other countries have experienced. Especially so in NSW.
 
Smurf1976 said:
Looking specifically at the Australian situation:

NT = 1 case (existing)
Tas = 1 case (existing)
WA = 2 cases (1 existing, 1 dead)
SA = 5 cases (3 existing, 2 recovered)
Vic = 10 cases (6 existing, 4 recovered)
Qld = 11 cases (10 existing, 1 recovered)
NSW = 22 cases (17 existing, 4 recovered, 1 dead)

Looking at the trend, we're starting to see the rapid increase that other countries have experienced. Especially so in NSW.
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13 in Qld just1h ago...it will be hard to keep this updated....
 
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