If it can be shown beyond all doubt that this is indeed the case, so it's not like HIV or chickenpox, then that would indeed allay some concerns.
Thus far though, from a layperson's perspective there is thus far a lack of any real answers. What effects? On how many people? Etc. There's a lack of any real data on that it seems.
So what is this "hard evidence" and where are some/any links?There is without a doubt a tonne of absolutely hard evidence (and I'm not talking tinfoil hat nonsense or anything which is uncertain) showing that the mainstream narrative which the government policies are based on is very wrong, which raises all sorts of concerns and questions.
Have no idea what you mean. Are death and positive COV19 cases so flawed that every country is running a conspiracy? Are nation's health officers lying about the science?There are plenty of answers I wish I had, but it's frustrating (and scary) to know enough to see that the mainstream narratives are so incredibly incorrect, and most people still trustingly believe them.
Really?But, there's also definitely a lot of data which undoubtedly has been collected, but is nowhere to be found in the public realm, which is another very concerning thing.
I'm away from the PC this morning but I'll sort this thread out when I get home.Back on to economic implications, kids
Maybe because "government policies" intertwine health and economic considerations right now. Lockdowns and border closures are starting to bite into interstate tourism where some semblance of recovery was underway. North Queensland tourism industry operators this morning reported a $100M hit to revenues as a result of NSW and Victorian COV19 cases necessitating restrictions. I suspect Tasmania this coming spring/summer will be similarly affected if the lid cannot be lifted.Good luck with that, they turned this thread into a dumpster fire weeks ago. I really don't know why the mods haven't swung the banhammer.
Maybe because "government policies" intertwine health and economic considerations right now.
Taking a thread off topic isn't a bannable offence. It usually happens unintentionally as discussions drift naturally.How many times have you said that though? Can't you just start wielding the banhammer? They're clearly not getting the message.
So what is this "hard evidence" and where are some/any links?
Have no idea what you mean. Are death and positive COV19 cases so flawed that every country is running a conspiracy?
Are nation's health officers lying about the science?
Or do you mean there is a lot of data which continues to be analysed before meaningful conclusions can be drawn.
Type "COVID-19" into google scholar and you get over 50000 mostly science papers available.
Wrong thread.It's literally a corona virus. We know how these work. If it wasn't being eliminated, it would still be present and thus, it would still be detectable.
No, of course not, but we do know for example that the head of the WHO (who literally has less qualifications to be the head of the WHO than I do!) is a Chinese puppet, one of those elephants in the room no one is talking about. We know a low of misinformation is being put out, and most countries are following it. Politics is leading the science rather than the other way around. It's not true that every country is leading a conspiracy, but it clearly is true that a conspiracy is leading most countries. China is clearly going to extraordinary lengths to control the narrative of the science and the politics, this is absolutely clear to anyone paying any attention, as is the fact that it's working. If nothing else you can surely look in the rear view mirror (something few people seem to be doing!) and see that this was the case earlier this year. If it was clearly successful earlier in the year it should be a stretch to at least accept it may still be going. This is very relevant to the politics and economics of the situation.
There have been some clear cases of this, but for the most part money and politics are leading the science and bending the truth rather than outright breaking it. Are we really so naive that in this political climate we believe there is no political bias seeping through? When extreme political and economic biases exist, we have to accept they will inevitably play a significant role. It's just naive to think otherwise.
This topic is going to end up too lengthy to be possible to discuss in a forum thread, but basically, a huge amount of data doesn't mean it's all being put out there, and putting forward a huge amount of information doesn't mean every relevant thing is there. Google any scientific topic you like and the amount of data there doesn't mean that every last shred of every piece of information is within it. Not all research gets published, not all information is allowed to be published. For example, what can be published about human genetics is heavily regulated and a lot of information is not allowed to be published on the topic, largely because of the political/racism issues it would inevitably create (this isn't a conspiracy theory tinfoil hat example, it is openly-known that you can't just openly publish all information about human genetics, although the reasons are less openly discussed, for the same reason the information isn't discussed).
Wrong thread.
Move post to Outbreak thread and I will respond.
Yes, but please move it to the proper thread. I will delete my request as well.It's literally responding to questions you asked in this thread!
Completely false, as global economies are in meltdown because we still do not know enough about COV19.It's literally a corona virus. We know how these work.
Another guess!We know a low of misinformation is being put out, and most countries are following it.
Seriously! China has been significantly sidelined by western media. China's economic recovery from COV19 continues to drive Australia's resources sectors. Luckily some here follow those markets and are continuing to prosper with holdings in the likes of FMG and BHP.China is clearly going to extraordinary lengths to control the narrative of the science and the politics, this is absolutely clear to anyone paying any attention, as is the fact that it's working. If nothing else you can surely look in the rear view mirror (something few people seem to be doing!) and see that this was the case earlier this year.
Unsubstantiated, so what are you relying on? When are you actually going to post something credible to support your words? Victorian and NSW Premiers are now well aware of the economic consequences of lockdowns and are not implementing these measures lightly. Premiers of States with border closures in place don't want their economies ravaged any longer than necessary, but can see the economic carnage continuing in Victoria many weeks after a few security guards acted reprehensibly.There have been some clear cases of this, but for the most part money and politics are leading the science and bending the truth rather than outright breaking it.
Please show where this is so in the western world.For example, what can be published about human genetics is heavily regulated and a lot of information is not allowed to be published on the topic ....
I guess that's the relevant research that @wayneL hoped I would find, so my sincere apologies for missing it.“She’s also made videos saying that doctors make medicine using DNA from aliens and that they’re trying to create a vaccine to make you immune from becoming religious.”
There are other players there, man, and doesn't negate her findings.I guess that's the relevant research that @wayneL hoped I would find, so my sincere apologies for missing it.
I thought the fact that the linked video was organised by the Tea Party and promoted widely by Breitbart could have been a clue as to credibility, but apparently that only works if you sit on the right side of the fence.
At issue was the fact that there was zero evidence supporting the claims in the video, and you continue to offer none.There are other players there, man, and doesn't negate her findings.
Don't try to play logician and fallicician(sic) at the same time. It doesn't work.
The research behind hydroxychloroquine as a cure for COVID 19.
What Scientific Tests Reveal about Dr. Immanuel's Hydroxychloroquine Claims
https://www.newsweek.com/what-scien...r-immanuels-hydroxychloroquine-claims-1521147
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