Colorado, gun control and the 2nd Amendment

[CanOz]

+1 - Well done Knobby, the US is a gun-toting nation. Shoot first and ask questions later....

The sad thing is that now they would have to have a gun amnesty like no other in history to try and reverse the current trend. Even if you could overpower the gun lobby.:bad:

Its not going to happen...:frown:

In Canada I hunt (Grouse & Duck only), and you can still own and carry firearms in hunting season. You can own a handgun with a permit, but you can only use it at the range...what the heck is wrong with that?

CanOz

 

[Glen48]

Canoz Any chance you could come to OZ and shoot a Swan??

 

[Joules MM1]

The more of these loonies out there the more people want to arm them selves so on it goes , then more accidental death, more guns available to be stolen.

what's important, imho, is the mass saying get rid of availability......take away access you at least introduce the time factor, the time required to acquire weapons allows many would-be shooters to cool off.....look, sure, if someone wants to harm others they'll eventually strap some stuff to their chest and go that way too.....take away the access you take away "an" incentive......afterall, most losers wont do the work required when there's no easy access to lethal weapons.....i mean, a little thought needs to go into this stuff rather than the usual throwing of hands in despair with laws dont work diatribe......that's the reason that gunmen get away with what the do : the rest of the community arent actively vigilant to the nature of people ....and that is naivety.......

 

[CanOz]

Canoz Any chance you could come to OZ and shoot a Swan??

What...this?

 

[DB008]

A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

Interesting...

A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

What is the role of guns in Japan, the developed world's least firearm-filled nation and perhaps its strictest controller? In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone. And that was a big year: 2006 saw an astounding two, and when that number jumped to 22 in 2007, it became a national scandal. By comparison, also in 2008, 587 Americans were killed just by guns that had discharged accidentally.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/

I think that the USA is beyond help.

 

[prawn_86]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-25/map3a-mass-shootings-in-the-us-since-1990/4153612 - map of major shootings in US over last 20 years.

I still fail to see how tighter gun laws would not have helped reduced this...

One of my best mates parents died on a farm due to a gun accident and I grew up on a farm, so i am all for farmers having the right tools, but i don't why an office worker in the city needs to be able to own an automatic weapon

 

[Tink]

Agree Prawn, instead the community go out and buy more guns.

Gun sales soar after Colorado shooting

http://www.news.com.au/world/gun-sales-soar-after-colorado-shooting/story-fndir2ev-1226434334001

 

[Glen48]

There is nothing any one could have do to prevent this other than total ban on guns, ask why or track where all the ammo was going, he had no record and was a Phd ( Post hole digger? ) student I think doing law.

Metal dect's. at the Movie entrance would have caught him I assume but he would have found away to do some thing else like a shopping mall.
People are like computers each time you interface with the web or hit the keyboard open a site you are adding or changing some thing, same as humans each generation of off spring adds an bit from some parent and over the years one become corrupt and becomes a wobblier, so move on nothing to see here await for the next one.

 

[bullet21]

There is nothing any one could have do to prevent this other than total ban on guns, ask why or track where all the ammo was going, he had no record and was a Phd ( Post hole digger? ) student I think doing law.

Metal dect's. at the Movie entrance would have caught him I assume but he would have found away to do some thing else like a shopping mall.
People are like computers each time you interface with the web or hit the keyboard open a site you are adding or changing some thing, same as humans each generation of off spring adds an bit from some parent and over the years one become corrupt and becomes a wobblier, so move on nothing to see here await for the next one.

With 88 guns for every 100 people, the only way you are going to disarm the US population is by force. I honestly think this would lead to a second civil war. Also metal detectors would have done nothing as he came in through a fire exit.

 

[CanOz]

With 88 guns for every 100 people, the only way you are going to disarm the US population is by force. I honestly think this would lead to a second civil war. Also metal detectors would have done nothing as he came in through a fire exit.

Agree, won't happen ... ever..

You could however, make some changes to the laws so they're similar to Canada or Australia. Obama has already hinted at changes. He won't campaign on radical changes though, he would lose the redneck vote completely.

CanOz

 

[Glen48]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tdsbzubam0

One of these?????

 

[CanOz]

OMG....

That cannot be real...but yes, rednecks like that...

 

[Bushman]

Agree, won't happen ... ever..

You could however, make some changes to the laws so they're similar to Canada or Australia. Obama has already hinted at changes. He won't campaign on radical changes though, he would lose the redneck vote completely.

CanOz

Maybe it should be mandatory for everyone over in the US to wear full body armour and be armed with assault rifles; bit like we have to wear bike helmets over here. Then the MAD principles used so effectively by the USA and USSR during the Cold War arms race should limit the body count.

'Thou shalt not kill'

 

[Glen48]

Thou shalt not kill .. except in self defense and make sure you go to Church so God can forgive.

 

[DB008]

Gunman kills six at Sikh temple

Gunman kills six at Sikh temple

At least seven people, including a suspected gunman, have been killed at shooting a Sikh temple in the United States, local police said.

Greenfield police chief Brad Wentlandt said authorities do not believe a second shooter is hiding inside the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in Oak Creek outside Milwaukee, contrary to earlier reports.

One member of the temple said he believed the incident was a "hate crime".

Mr Wentlandt told reporters the situation was "extremely fluid" and that law enforcement agents were still in the process of securing the scene and accounting for all the victims and witnesses.

Four people were killed inside the temple and three others outside.

ABC Link

 

[Glen48]

Think 1/2 of USA in Sikh in the head.

Most are just as radical was the one's they accuse of hating USA.
Wonder where and when the next one will be???

 

[awg]

Gun advocates always say they have the right to defend themselves, in the USA, you would feel like you need to carry a piece just to gun down any homicidal maniac that might start blasting at you.

The historical basis of gun ownership is national security.
It still is. It is impossible to mount a land invasion of the USA because the citizenry is so heavily armed.

Some other countries have similar policies.

From speaking to people experienced in these matters, removing guns from society also prevents many impetuous suicide attempts, the success rate of gun attempts is very high.

The figures quoted by a previous poster highlight this, all higher than the murder rate

 

[gav]

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

~Thomas Jefferson

 

[DB008]

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

~Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson (April 13, 1743 (April 2, 1743 O.S.) – July 4, 1826) was an American Founding Father, the principal author of the Declaration of Independence (1776) and the third President of the United States (1801–1809)

Anyways, l think that the USA is beyond help now days.

 

[DB008]

Only in the USA

Old mate, open carrying a MP5

No wonder shootings happen so much over there. And then he starts with the constitutional right and the 2nd amendment. Bugger me.

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