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Cashless society

Cash is not redundant or a backup system.
It's a parallel system and a requirement for national and sovereign security.

Just think, if all banks E facilities were down for say, 3 days.
What a crap fight it would be for the herds.

For me, the old merchant saying still applies,
"In God I trust, all others pay cash".
 
In the coming days with ComBank will "Silence be Golden"????
Unfortunately we bank with a subsidiary of this lot who I don't have much love for.
 
So for cash in any form of "plastic fantastic", any outage however long or short, is more than a inconvenience.
Forces the consumer to consider having two or more banking sources of "plastic cash" cards.

Cash is, was and always will be king.
 
So for cash in any form of "plastic fantastic", any outage however long or short, is more than a inconvenience.
Forces the consumer to consider having two or more banking sources of "plastic cash" cards.

Cash is, was and always will be king.
Petrol station this morning, cash only due to internet outage..
ANZ was the one based on my talk with the operator..
Paid cash...
 
So for cash in any form of "plastic fantastic", any outage however long or short, is more than a inconvenience.
Forces the consumer to consider having two or more banking sources of "plastic cash" cards.

Cash is, was and always will be king.

One day there will be a cashless society, but not in my lifetime and possibly not in my children's lifetime. The world will need a system that is able to show and transfer funds between consumer and business, regardless of electrical failures, computer crashes, software bugs, and system outages. Possibly a digital wallet, which are around but there is no world standard.

Until then, financial systems are going to be under pressure to compensate customers.

"Consumers' Federation of Australia call for compensation to be paid to customers and consumers that have been inconvenienced" -

 
So for cash in any form of "plastic fantastic", any outage however long or short, is more than a inconvenience.
Forces the consumer to consider having two or more banking sources of "plastic cash" cards.
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Is it any real difference to an ATM outage?

I mean if once every 5 years you might suffer a period where your card doesn't work, and you decide you need to have a back up card. Is that any difference to a cash based person realising that sometimes the ATM's are down, so they decide they need to carry some back up amount of cash? in case the morning they want to do their groceries happens to be the morning they intended to get some cash out of the ATM.
 
Is it any real difference to an ATM outage?
ATM outage singular or across the network can be mitigated by using another provider, e.g., bank or supermarket or post office etc or having cash is the sky rocket.

EFTPOS and online is a tad different.
 
1. ATM outage singular or across the network can be mitigated by using another provider, e.g., bank or supermarket or post office etc

Yeah, but that involves inconvenience to and potentially extra costs. Also won't you still need your card to get cash out of the supermarket or post office, isn't that just the same as eftpos at that point
2. or having cash is the sky rocket.

EFTPOS and online is a tad different.

Thats my point, you then have to make sure you are always carrying around spare emergency cash, you can use if the ATM is down at the time you go to top up your regular cash supply, so if you decide to carry emergency cash you how is that much different to carrying a spare debit card.

Eftpos is much different at all, considering your "back up" plan is to use a supermarket eftpos system to get access to cash.
 
ATM outage singular or across the network can be mitigated by using another provider, e.g., bank or supermarket or post office etc or having cash is the sky rocket.

EFTPOS and online is a tad different.

And people can also keep a reserve of cash, for when the banking system has a crash. Pretty hard to do that with a cashless system
 
And people can also keep a reserve of cash, for when the banking system has a crash. Pretty hard to do that with a cashless system
That depends on a cost benefit analysis I guess, eg what is the actual benefit you receive by holding on to this extra cash vs the cost of using the cash system.

I have to ask myself, given in the last several years using the cash system wouldn't have actually benefited me in any real way, but did spend my credit card points on a round trip in Business class to the UK for both the wife and I. Is that worth the possibility of having my card declined one day and having to sort something else out, I think it is. Especially because having got make 1000 special trips to ATM's is an inconvenience itself.
 

It depends on convenience, stress and anxiety. Nothing worse than getting fuel and not being able to pay for it or picking up important medication to have your payment declined. As the CBA banking outage showed, there was a lot of anxiety and inconvenience for people that could not pay their bills.

Having some cash as a back up works.
 
I think people that pay in cash all the time would have much more frequent instances of looking into their wallet and finding they are short, and then face the anxiety and inconvenience of having to go and find an ATM before they get to their actual plans.

Sure by all means carry a $50 or $100 as back up, but you are pretending if you think cash is anywhere near as convenient as cashless methods.

As I said I will take a 1 in 3000 chance that I might have to run to an ATM when my card fails one day, rather than having visiting an ATM weekly as part of a routine.
 

I pay in cash all the time, I don’t suffer from anxiety. I know roughly what is in my wallet and spend accordingly, and have no stress of spending more than I have.

I don’t visit a ATM, there are other ways to collect cash, including while shopping.

Went to the pub tonight with my wife for dinner and a drink, $97 paid cash & I scored a collectable coin as a bonus.
 
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With end of financial year sales noticed that many retailers nowadays couldn't care less if you offered to pay them cash (so as to try get a better deal/cheaper price etc.) as blatantly told that's the price mate & don't accept cash anyway... miss those good 'ol days when negotiating "best cash price" would usually get you a great discount.
 
It’s personal preference I guess, but if your plan is to get cash out while you shop, it seems to me you may as well just use your card to pay.

You might be suffering Stockholm syndrome, and not realise the inconvenience you are suffering because you are used to the inconvenience.

Try committing to going completely cashless for a month, it’s a bit like getting an electric car, eg you won’t want to go back to the service station.

You might like collectable coins, but I would rather just pay the $97 on card, collect points instead and leave the $3 of coins in the bank earning interest.

The business class flights I booked using points were worth $24,000 if I paid cash, that’s a lot of collectable coins you would need.
 
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